Why boxing in Germany has been so shady?

[saliman]

I don't mean that there's no robberies or weird stuff in other countries, but Germany really looks absurd with things they allow.

Local comission (BDB) actually sometimes change results post-fight. They did it with Rico Muller v Rafał Jackiewicz fight. Judges had it for Jackiewicz, but later the verdict was overturned for Muller. I think that Muller deserved a close decision, but fight was close enough. They surely wouldn't overturn it if it was the other way around.

They also changed the result of Bintou Schmill vs Ester Konecna. Judges had it for Czech boxer, but later was changed for German's win. Apparently, it took them 3 months to do so and Czech comission wasn't even informed about it.

Plenty of terrible robberies there like Cisse Salif DQd for proper punches against Petkovic. Same ref tried to disqualify Anne Sophie Mathis against Christina Hammer in similar manner. Another terrible German ref tried to DQ Bahktov against Kretschmann.

Of course, there are bad decisions in USA or UK, but I don't think crap like changing results post-fight for the local fighter would be allowed there. Why Germany has such low standards for boxing and looks blatantly corrupt? Even in Russia officiating looks far better.

[Controversial]

Don't forget Robin Reid being stiffed in Germany against Sven Ottke

[Jaywheel]

Lucas vs Beyer too.

[margaret thatcher]

well those are just poor decisions, which happen in abundance pretty much anywhere for the house fighter


op is right though, that there seems to be a notable amount of controversary in ways other than just the initial scoring. .to actually reverse decisions after the fact is extremely rare

[margaret thatcher]

btw, the same ref who dq'd salif was the one who dq'd mathis as well ............ manfred kuchler. he was awful

[Bodyshot3]

German boxing has delivered some heavyweight capital to the table and for many years.
Big, fat and regular sanctioning fees that keep the business monetarised have played there part.

When I first started following boxing Germany was actually a bit of a backwater.....

.....but it then underwent a bit of a revolution mainly because a lot of former East German amateur stars needed to turn pro and also German promoters very smartly signing-up a lot of talented fighters from Hungary, Ukraine, Poland and made and re-marketed them as their 'homegrown stars.'

Things also then duly picked-up for German domestic fighters too like Beyer, Braehmer and the Rocchigianis.

The promoters also knew they had the venues - football stadiums and all those huge exhibition Halles needing to be filled - and that there were a lot of East Europeans living in Germany or who could buy a fight from a German broadcaster.

Henry Maske, Zsolt Erdei, the K brothers, Michalczewski, Kovacs, Huck, Abraham, Valuev, Stieglitz all made a packet for German promoters and most of these guys (bar Maske) were not even German. Once they got a title they also fought often which pleased the boxing authorities and their accountants a great deal.

When a major market like Germany got corporate/organised and re-engaged with boxing...stuff was going to happen and some fights duly stank badly for the visiting challenger.

[JC]

well those are just poor decisions, which happen in abundance pretty much anywhere for the house fighter

I'd say the referee was more the issue in the Reid fight.

At one point he famously gave Reid a warning for punching Ottke.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

well those are just poor decisions, which happen in abundance pretty much anywhere for the house fighter

I'd say the referee was more the issue in the Reid fight.

At one point he famously gave Reid a warning for punching Ottke.

What else did you want the ref to do? Sven was getting hit!