When America loses the Welterweight division it is officially game over for USA in pro boxing?.

[Goodz]

Seems like all americans talk about is 147. it's the sole focus for them. Because it's the last division that hasn't been taken over by Eastern Europeans/Brits/others. Once they lose that, are yank fighters gonna be non existent at the top level of pro boxing the way they have been in amateur boxing for ages now. Feels like it's going that way

[margaret thatcher]

ya it's not as if they'e got teo or tank or haney or garcia right

and unified champs at 154 and 140

champs in several other divisions

[margaret thatcher]

even yank gatekeepers who couldnt win espn tournaments are brutally koing east euro prospects with 100 percent ko ratios, they'll be okay

[oogiebe]

Google Translate: "I hate America."

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

147 has been consistently the best or close to it since well forever

How much time is spent talking about ggg or canelo, those two American studs?

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

US has the best fighter at 147 and 154 and id argue 160

2 top 10 hw

2nd best 140

Best at lw

2nd best 168

[margaret thatcher]

prob best at 126 too

[1okstcsb]

Seems like all americans talk about is 147. it's the sole focus for them. Because it's the last division that hasn't been taken over by Eastern Europeans/Brits/others. Once they lose that, are yank fighters gonna be non existent at the top level of pro boxing the way they have been in amateur boxing for ages now. Feels like it's going that way

They Will Keep Coming, We also have the best at 154, 160, and THEE 4 best at 135, the Only Eastern European, British that would have any chance of beating any of the big 4 (Tank, T. Lopez, D. Haney and R. Garcia) is Lomachenko

147 is good we have Jaron Ennis and Vergil Ortiz coming for titles in about 2 years and they are very young

[margaret thatcher]

Seems like all americans talk about is 147. it's the sole focus for them. Because it's the last division that hasn't been taken over by Eastern Europeans/Brits/others. Once they lose that, are yank fighters gonna be non existent at the top level of pro boxing the way they have been in amateur boxing for ages now. Feels like it's going that way

They Will Keep Coming, We also have the best at 154, 160, and THEE 4 best at 135, the Only Eastern European, British that would have any chance of beating any of the big 4 (Tank, T. Lopez, D. Haney and R. Garcia) is Lomachenko

147 is good we have Jaron Ennis and Vergil Ortiz coming for titles in about 2 years and they are very young

these euro/ggg bois gonna get shook by the talk in this thread of america having the top mw

and loma not even top 4 at 135, too many american studs

[margaret thatcher]

although tbf, do we even rank tank at 135, he's basically had 1 fight in his entire career campaigning there, his last fight wasnt there, and he says his next fight wont be either

either way he'd beat loma no doubt, haney and garcia im not as sure on beating loma yet though

[Enlightened-One]

Seems like all americans talk about is 147. it's the sole focus for them. Because it's the last division that hasn't been taken over by Eastern Europeans/Brits/others. Once they lose that, are yank fighters gonna be non existent at the top level of pro boxing the way they have been in amateur boxing for ages now. Feels like it's going that way

According to BoxRec’s top 100 pound-for-pound ratings, 52% of the fighters listed are classified as Americans (born, nationality or permanently reside there).

The UK are in second place with 16 fighters and Mexico is third with only 8.

Here’s a list of the 52 US-based fighters included in BoxRec’s top 100 pound-for-pound ratings:

• Terence Crawford (Omaha)
• Gennadiy Golovkin (Los Angeles)
• Errol Spence Jr (Desoto)
• Deontay Wilder (Tuscaloosa)
• Shawn Porter (Las Vegas)
• Jermall Charlo (Houston)
• Teofimo Lopez (Jonesboro)
• Sergey Kovalev (Fort Lauderdale)
• Mikey Garcia (Moreno Valley)
• Gervonta Davis (Baltimore)
• Regis Prograis (Houston)
• Oleksandr Usyk (Oxnard)
• Jermell Charlo (Houston)
• Andy Ruiz Jr (Imperial)
• Jose Zepeda (La Puente)
• Jose Carlos Ramirez (Avenal)
• Vasyl Lomachenko (Oxnard)
• Yordenis Ugas (Miami)
• Joe Smith Jr (Long Island)
• Demetrius Andrade (Providence)
• Devin Haney (Las Vegas)
• Michael Hunter (Las Vegas)
• Danny Garcia (Philadelphia)
• David Benavidez (Phoenix)
• Jesse Hart (Philadelphia)
• Daniel Jacobs (Brooklyn)
• Caleb Plant (Las Vegas)
• Gary Allen Russell Jr (Capitol Heights)
• Jessie Vargas (Las Vegas)
• Joseph Diaz (Downey)
• Erislandy Lara (Houston)
• Richard Commey (Bronx)
• Egidijus Kavaliauskas (Oxnard)
• Tevin Farmer (Philadelphia)
• Yuniel Dorticos (Miami)
• Robert Easter Jr (Toledo)
• Ryan Garcia (Los Angeles)
• Badou Jack (Las Vegas)
• Jamal James (Minneapolis)
• Luis Ortiz (Miami)
• Javier Fortuna (Braintree)
• Stephen Fulton (Philadelphia)
• Shakur Stevenson (Alexandria)
• Sergiy Derevyanchenko (Brooklyn)
• Jamel Herring (Cincinnati)
• Josesito Lopez (Riverside)
• Arnold Barboza Jr (Los Angeles)
• Viktor Postol (Marina del Rey)
• Arsen Goulamirian (Big Bear Lake)
• Mario Barrios (San Antonio)
• Guillermo Rigondeaux (Miami)
• Maurice Hooker (Dallas)

For sure, you’ll inevitably claim that many of these names have dual citizenship, since a lot of them weren’t born on US shores. You might even argue that they shouldn't be classified as being American or US-based, regardless as to where they choose to reside.

However, all these fighters have CHOOSEN to permanently reside in the US (for several years) for an obvious reason, which I don’t need to bother mentioning.

And this obviously undermines your mythical claim about it being “officially game over for USA in pro boxing [when America loses the Welterweight division]”.

End of thread!

[gilgamesh]

For once your thoroughness is worthwhile EO. Although your crediting Foreign fighters with America just because they live here now is a little questionable, but plenty of true Americans there so good job

[candyslim]

For once your thoroughness is worthwhile EO. Although your crediting Foreign fighters with America just because they live here now is a little questionable, but plenty of true Americans there so good job

Yes good post EO and Maggie makes a good case for the defense too. Boxing in the US may not be what it was once but there's plenty of life in it yet.

[Enlightened-One]

For once your thoroughness is worthwhile EO. Although your crediting Foreign fighters with America just because they live here now is a little questionable, but plenty of true Americans there so good job

From a commercial perspective, the USA continues to be boxing “home”, which explains the reason why so many (if not most) fighters and their families (especially those from poorer countries) choose to permanently reside there.

If you firmly believe that immigrants that lawfully achieve permanent residence in the US cannot be considered as being American citizens (or permanently US-based), then that your prerogative.

Regardless, when you consider the fact that more than half of today’s top 100 fighters permanently reside on American shores (with a lot of the men included in my list actually born there), then it’s a tad silly for someone (like the person who created this thread) to wrongfully claim that it’s “officially game over for USA in pro boxing” when their top welterweights eventually relinquish dominance over the welterweight division.

The USA will continue being boxing’s home, simply because that country stages the vast majority of marquee bouts and most top-tier world-rated fighters live there.

[bobcatbox]

They ain’t losing it cause Boots is the next champ.

[Enlightened-One]

They ain’t losing it cause Boots is the next champ.

Yeah, he’s an exciting prospect.

[gilgamesh]

For once your thoroughness is worthwhile EO. Although your crediting Foreign fighters with America just because they live here now is a little questionable, but plenty of true Americans there so good job

From a commercial perspective, the USA continues to be boxing “home”, which explains the reason why so many (if not most) fighters and their families (especially those from poorer countries) choose to permanently reside there.

If you firmly believe that immigrants that lawfully achieve permanent residence in the US cannot be considered as being American citizens (or permanently US-based), then that your prerogative.

Regardless, when you consider the fact that more than half of today’s top 100 fighters permanently reside on American shores (with a lot of the men included in my list actually born there), then it’s a tad silly for someone (like the person who created this thread) to wrongfully claim that it’s “officially game over for USA in pro boxing” when their top welterweights eventually relinquish dominance over the welterweight division.

The USA will continue being boxing’s home, simply because that country stages the vast majority of marquee bouts and most top-tier world-rated fighters live there.

I didn't say they weren't American Citizens, but I don't think they'd necessarily be thought of as American Fighters seeing as how the majority of their skills were surely honed in the Countries of their Origin.

Rigondeaux for instance was a 2x Olympic Gold Medalist before ever coming here. I think it's safe to say he'd learned a great deal of the skills that took him to the top before he lived here.

[margaret thatcher]

lol what are you talking about gil? Of course Rigo and GGG and Kovalev and Dorticos and Usyk etc are American fighters


doesnt Canelo train in San Diego now too?

[Enlightened-One]

lol what are you talking about gil? Of course Rigo and GGG and Kovalev and Dorticos and Usyk etc are American fighters


doesnt Canelo train in San Diego now too?

I provided the names of 52 US-based fighters. This means they were either born in that country, have acquired citizenship or they permanently reside there.

Are you seriously pretending that the likes of Guillermo Rigondeaux, Gennadiy Golovkin, Yuniel Dorticos, Oleksandr Usyk and Sergey Kovalev don’t somehow fit into one of those three categories?

Please tell the forum that I’m talking utter nonsense and that aforementioned fighters actually live elsewhere?

Because it seems you know more about where their homes are located than the fighters themselves.

Come on kid, I'm really looking forward to you pretending that all these guys aren't US-based!

[margaret thatcher]

lol what are you talking about gil? Of course Rigo and GGG and Kovalev and Dorticos and Usyk etc are American fighters


doesnt Canelo train in San Diego now too?

I provided the names of 52 US-based fighters. This means they were either born in that country, have acquired citizenship or they permanently reside there.

Are you seriously pretending that the likes of Guillermo Rigondeaux, Gennadiy Golovkin, Yuniel Dorticos, Oleksandr Usyk and Sergey Kovalev don’t somehow fit into one of those three categories?

Please tell the forum that I’m talking utter nonsense and that aforementioned fighters actually live elsewhere?

Because it seems you know more about where their homes are located than the fighters themselves.

Come on kid, I'm really looking forward to you pretending that all these guys aren't US-based!

lol what are you on about kiddo, you think that was about you or something? i was joking around with gil, i just skimmed your post my man and didnt take it any more seriously than that, thanks for the effort though if that makes you feel better

[Enlightened-One]

For once your thoroughness is worthwhile EO. Although your crediting Foreign fighters with America just because they live here now is a little questionable, but plenty of true Americans there so good job

From a commercial perspective, the USA continues to be boxing “home”, which explains the reason why so many (if not most) fighters and their families (especially those from poorer countries) choose to permanently reside there.

If you firmly believe that immigrants that lawfully achieve permanent residence in the US cannot be considered as being American citizens (or permanently US-based), then that your prerogative.

Regardless, when you consider the fact that more than half of today’s top 100 fighters permanently reside on American shores (with a lot of the men included in my list actually born there), then it’s a tad silly for someone (like the person who created this thread) to wrongfully claim that it’s “officially game over for USA in pro boxing” when their top welterweights eventually relinquish dominance over the welterweight division.

The USA will continue being boxing’s home, simply because that country stages the vast majority of marquee bouts and most top-tier world-rated fighters live there.

I didn't say they weren't American Citizens, but I don't think they'd necessarily be thought of as American Fighters seeing as how the majority of their skills were surely honed in the Countries of their Origin.

Rigondeaux for instance was a 2x Olympic Gold Medalist before ever coming here. I think it's safe to say he'd learned a great deal of the skills that took him to the top before he lived here.

They're American based fighters. I think I mentioned this on an earlier post. They're all permanent full-time residents of the US.

Let's not forget that the person who created this thread is pretending that it's “officially game over for USA in pro boxing” when their top welterweights eventually relinquish dominance over the welterweight division.

However, the vast majority of the sports' biggest names all permanently reside in the US.

I think we basically agree on this subject matter. But if a fighter and their families permanently reside in America, then regardless of their country of origin, they're US-based fighters that'll probably remain in that country for the remainder of their lives.

[Goodz]

Seems like all americans talk about is 147. it's the sole focus for them. Because it's the last division that hasn't been taken over by Eastern Europeans/Brits/others. Once they lose that, are yank fighters gonna be non existent at the top level of pro boxing the way they have been in amateur boxing for ages now. Feels like it's going that way

They Will Keep Coming, We also have the best at 154, 160, and THEE 4 best at 135, the Only Eastern European, British that would have any chance of beating any of the big 4 (Tank, T. Lopez, D. Haney and R. Garcia) is Lomachenko

147 is good we have Jaron Ennis and Vergil Ortiz coming for titles in about 2 years and they are very young

154 is on the verge of being another division lost by the yanks its inevitable. Castano just won a title and us god. Tszyu and Mdrimov are very close to title shots, Murtazaliev is mandatory, etc. Theres ton of top amateuts on the come ip there like Sadriddin Akhmedov. Theres only Jermell left. That division is changing very soon.

160 hasnt been dominated by yanks since the Pavlik/Taylor fights lol. Yank middleweights have always been awful for a long time since Ive been watching boxing. Theyve just been punchbags. Andrade and charlo are cherry pickers.

Loma dominated lightweight until very recently and still would school those boys.

Yeah 147 is your only one. Those 2 look good alongside Stanionis, Besputin, Butaev.

[The Gratest]

Someone can't tell the difference between nationality and residence.
Thicko alert woo-woo-woo-woo-woo!!!!

[Goodz]

USA haven't won an Olympic Gold medal in (mens) boxing for 17 years since 2004. They have been terrible for many years now.
Amateur boxing trends usually follow onto the pros.

Theres only 1or 2 yanks in the top 10 p4p currently. Compare that to past years!

Yanks used to dominate many divisions yet now they only dominate welterweight.

It's a legitimate question

[margaret thatcher]

teo lopez didnt win any olympic medal, loma won 2 golds, couldnt save loma when they fought could it

crawdaddy, spence, canelo, teo, inoue, etc,.....none won olympic medals but are among the p4p elite. fury didnt make the olympics but is now the top hw.david price won an olympic medal though lol

olympics, shmo lympics