How will the long layoff after a devastating loss affect Deontay Wilder?

[snake33]

he is pretty deranged isn't he, took his loss like a total crybaby snowflake


but which guy am i referring to ?

Either or

[Best Coast]

Would it be wiser for Deontay Wilder to have a confidence-building warm-up fight soon, rather than waiting for the outcome of the arbitration with Fury?

A long layoff after a devastating loss like Wilder suffered a year ago cannot be good for him. I think he needs a fight to get his focus back, instead of more long months of ruminating about what caused the loss to Fury.

I used to be a Wilder fan but the guy has been such a sore loser that I gave up on him. Not only his nonsense about Fury supposedly loading his gloves but he also made some ridiculous charges against his ex-corner man Mark Breland. I honestly doubt Wilder has the mental toughness to be a top-level fighter again. He'll probably have to settle for beating 2nd or 3rd-tier fighters at this point in his career at age 35.

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2021/02/ma ... cusations/

Mark Breland broke his silence today in addressing the allegations Deontay Wilder has made against him. Breland the former Olympic gold medallist and world champion joined Spencer Fearon and Tunde Ajayi on their podcast Stamina for Sale.

Breland was given the sack back in October by Wilder after Wilder had claimed Mark Breland had spiked his water. Wilder was also upset that Breland had thrown in the towel in his February bout last year vs. Tyson Fury.

This was the first time Breland has addressed the allegations. When asked about Wilder, Breland said to Stamina for Sale, “His (Wilder’s) career is over now, I’m done, and he’s done. I’m done with him.”

Breland also said, “Wilder only has his power, and we’ll see how far that takes him. That’s all I’m going to say.”

About spiking Wilders water, Breland said, “A lot of people know me; if you’re looking at tapes or whatever and stuff like that, You don’t ever see water in my hands. And regardless of that, I’m there to help you. When you win, I win.”

[golden_labrador]

The intent is there at least, even if he's gone a bit cuckoo

[Enlightened-One]

Wilder hasn’t even reached his one-year anniversary for his most recent outing.

So it’s premature to speculate about the extent his inactivity will have on his performance levels.

What is of a greater concern though, is his mind-set!

He’s blamed the Tyson Fury loss on everyone and everything else, except himself. And he can’t learn any lessons from his defeat and also address his shortcomings if he doesn’t feel he made any mistakes.

He’s currently in denial, or at least his media persona is.

That said, if inactivity has adversely affected Deontay Wilder, it’ll be difficult to detect using the proverbial eyeball test, because he rarely wins rounds anyway - he just relies on landing that one-hitter-quitter.

Put it this way, in the last four years, how many times has Deontay Wilder actually won a round on the judges' scorecards without scoring the knockdown?

[golden_labrador]

Wilder hasn’t even reached his one-year anniversary for his most recent outing.

So it’s premature to speculate about the extent his inactivity will have on his performance levels.

What is of a greater concern though, is his mind-set!

He’s blamed the Tyson Fury loss on everyone and everything else, except himself. And he can’t learn any lessons from his defeat and also address his shortcomings if he doesn’t feel he made any mistakes.

He’s currently in denial, or at least his media persona is.

That said, if inactivity has adversely affected Deontay Wilder, it’ll be difficult to detect using the proverbial eyeball test, because he rarely wins rounds anyway - he just relies on landing that one-hitter-quitter.

Put it this way, in the last four years, how many times has Deontay Wilder actually won a round on the judges' scorecards without scoring the knockdown?

Exactly this. and his chin is up there with the best of them, so it doesn't really matter too much if he's a bit rusty and takes a punch or two. it's all about if the opponent can avoid or get up from his death slap

[Cyclops]

The intent is there at least, even if he's gone a bit cuckoo

It's not really, is it? Because Fury and AJ realistically could just be fighting each other for the next two years, considering how slow the pandemic is causing the sport to move, and that just leaves, fat little Andy, who hasn't fought since losing to AJ in 2019. Ruiz seems to be happily enjoying not fighting and, being the previous holder of 3 belts and arguably the better resume, will want some wedge to fight. If reports that Wilder wanted 10 million to knock out Charles Martin, of all people, then how much will he want for Andy who is considerably better? How much will Ruiz want?

There's no intent there. Nothing believable. This is why I struggled writing a heavyweight top 10 because both of those two should be up there, but neither seems especially interested in fighting again. The heavyweight division chugs on without them. At what point do you have to stop ranking people for inactivity? Heavyweight fights are happening. 'Lesser' heavies are making the effort. I don't think either of those two are even training. The Wilder sideshow is great for clickbait on YouTube, but if he doesn't fight then he's not a boxer, is he?Just an unhinged individual that I'm sure everybody within his circle tiptoes around, in fear. It was funny at first but now it's quite tragic.

[bobcatbox]

Wouldn’t mind seeing Wilder fight anyone. He’s not given enough credit.

He shouldn’t look for another Fury fight unless a streak of wins compels a title defense for Fury after he beats Joshua a couple times.

A lot of assumptions there...

My point is - wilder isn’t finished yet. Still has extraordinary power, and he could beat most top heavys and especially top 10-20 range. Take Kownacki for example - Wilder clobbers him inside 2-3 rounds, but somehow Kownacki is still getting. cred after being trounced by the Nordic Nightmare, another guy not in Wilder’s league.

Wilder is an intriguing guy who will draw fans to any card he headlines on FOX. I don’t think he can sell a PPV although he’d certainly help as an undercard feature. Yes he’s gone off the rails after losing. So what? That doesn’t mean he should retire. He’s never going to be heavyweight champ again, but there’s a lot of good fights for him. Ruiz, Jr. would make an awesome matchup. That’s a fun fight. I wouldn’t mind seeing Wilder jump in there with the likes of Otto Wallin if he beats Brezeale.

If there’s a universe where an up and coming Jared Anderson can fight an aging Deontay Wilder sign me up. That will be fireworks and a true passing of the torch between exciting American heavy’s. I know I’m in dream state at this point, but please indulge my fantasy.

[DrDuke]

My point is - wilder isn’t finished yet. Still has extraordinary power, and he could beat most top heavys and especially top 10-20 range. Take Kownacki for example - Wilder clobbers him inside 2-3 rounds, but somehow Kownacki is still getting. cred after being trounced by the Nordic Nightmare, another guy not in Wilder’s league.

By the way, right now Wilder vs Helenius sounds like a decent who-lands-first matchup.

[margaret thatcher]

Wouldn’t mind seeing Wilder fight anyone. He’s not given enough credit.

He shouldn’t look for another Fury fight unless a streak of wins compels a title defense for Fury after he beats Joshua a couple times.

A lot of assumptions there...

My point is - wilder isn’t finished yet. Still has extraordinary power, and he could beat most top heavys and especially top 10-20 range. Take Kownacki for example - Wilder clobbers him inside 2-3 rounds, but somehow Kownacki is still getting. cred after being trounced by the Nordic Nightmare, another guy not in Wilder’s league.

Wilder is an intriguing guy who will draw fans to any card he headlines on FOX. I don’t think he can sell a PPV although he’d certainly help as an undercard feature. Yes he’s gone off the rails after losing. So what? That doesn’t mean he should retire. He’s never going to be heavyweight champ again, but there’s a lot of good fights for him. Ruiz, Jr. would make an awesome matchup. That’s a fun fight. I wouldn’t mind seeing Wilder jump in there with the likes of Otto Wallin if he beats Brezeale.

If there’s a universe where an up and coming Jared Anderson can fight an aging Deontay Wilder sign me up. That will be fireworks and a true passing of the torch between exciting American heavy’s. I know I’m in dream state at this point, but please indulge my fantasy.

what credit is kownacki getting, and from whom? he seems to largely be regarded as a blob whose bubble has burst

[golden_labrador]

Wouldn’t mind seeing Wilder fight anyone. He’s not given enough credit.

He shouldn’t look for another Fury fight unless a streak of wins compels a title defense for Fury after he beats Joshua a couple times.

A lot of assumptions there...

My point is - wilder isn’t finished yet. Still has extraordinary power, and he could beat most top heavys and especially top 10-20 range. Take Kownacki for example - Wilder clobbers him inside 2-3 rounds, but somehow Kownacki is still getting. cred after being trounced by the Nordic Nightmare, another guy not in Wilder’s league.

Wilder is an intriguing guy who will draw fans to any card he headlines on FOX. I don’t think he can sell a PPV although he’d certainly help as an undercard feature. Yes he’s gone off the rails after losing. So what? That doesn’t mean he should retire. He’s never going to be heavyweight champ again, but there’s a lot of good fights for him. Ruiz, Jr. would make an awesome matchup. That’s a fun fight. I wouldn’t mind seeing Wilder jump in there with the likes of Otto Wallin if he beats Brezeale.

If there’s a universe where an up and coming Jared Anderson can fight an aging Deontay Wilder sign me up. That will be fireworks and a true passing of the torch between exciting American heavy’s. I know I’m in dream state at this point, but please indulge my fantasy.

when he needs the money again he'll lower his demands to get it done, surely

[golden_labrador]

Wouldn’t mind seeing Wilder fight anyone. He’s not given enough credit.

He shouldn’t look for another Fury fight unless a streak of wins compels a title defense for Fury after he beats Joshua a couple times.

A lot of assumptions there...

My point is - wilder isn’t finished yet. Still has extraordinary power, and he could beat most top heavys and especially top 10-20 range. Take Kownacki for example - Wilder clobbers him inside 2-3 rounds, but somehow Kownacki is still getting. cred after being trounced by the Nordic Nightmare, another guy not in Wilder’s league.

Wilder is an intriguing guy who will draw fans to any card he headlines on FOX. I don’t think he can sell a PPV although he’d certainly help as an undercard feature. Yes he’s gone off the rails after losing. So what? That doesn’t mean he should retire. He’s never going to be heavyweight champ again, but there’s a lot of good fights for him. Ruiz, Jr. would make an awesome matchup. That’s a fun fight. I wouldn’t mind seeing Wilder jump in there with the likes of Otto Wallin if he beats Brezeale.

If there’s a universe where an up and coming Jared Anderson can fight an aging Deontay Wilder sign me up. That will be fireworks and a true passing of the torch between exciting American heavy’s. I know I’m in dream state at this point, but please indulge my fantasy.

when he needs the money again he'll lower his demands to get it done, surely

apologies. this was meant to be replying to cyclops above

[bobcatbox]

Wouldn’t mind seeing Wilder fight anyone. He’s not given enough credit.

He shouldn’t look for another Fury fight unless a streak of wins compels a title defense for Fury after he beats Joshua a couple times.

A lot of assumptions there...

My point is - wilder isn’t finished yet. Still has extraordinary power, and he could beat most top heavys and especially top 10-20 range. Take Kownacki for example - Wilder clobbers him inside 2-3 rounds, but somehow Kownacki is still getting. cred after being trounced by the Nordic Nightmare, another guy not in Wilder’s league.

what credit is kownacki getting, and from whom? he seems to largely be regarded as a blob whose bubble has burst

Pre-Helenius he was ring-rated top ten heavy, and then, despite getting embarrassed, managed to get a rematch nobody wants. If he wins said rematch he’ll be declared “redeemed” by the network/promoter and start climbing the ladder again.

By the way, right now Wilder vs Helenius sounds like a decent who-lands-first matchup.

Down for Helenius or Wallin for Wilder.

Or anyone for Wilder. He’s a fun matchup because of his very legit power. Put him in with anyone.

[margaret thatcher]

you said he's still getting cred, i just don't see it, ppl treat him like a slob who got found out

before that, his run of wins over wash, martin, arreola, szpil, etc was prob good enough for lower top 10-15, cuz not many gys in the division really d o much of note tbh

[gilgamesh]

you said he's still getting cred, i just don't see it, ppl treat him like a slob who got found out

before that, his run of wins over wash, martin, arreola, szpil, etc was prob good enough for lower top 10-15, cuz not many gys in the division really d o much of note tbh

What are we talking about "was prob good enough for Lower Top 10-15"?

Guys Wilder could beat or....?

[margaret thatcher]

bob says ppl are still giving kow credit and that he was ranked top 10 before


i dont agree that he's really getting much cred these days, but he was getting into top 10s, and tbh i could see the justifiction because he was staying busy with okay wins while other guys didnt do much

[gilgamesh]

bob says ppl are still giving kow credit and that he was ranked top 10 before


i dont agree that he's really getting much cred these days, but he was getting into top 10s, and tbh i could see the justifiction because he was staying busy with okay wins while other guys didnt do much

He'll get a little bit of credit back if he wins the rematch with Helenius.

[oogiebe]

I'm getting the feeling that Wilder may never fight again.

[gilgamesh]

I'm getting the feeling that Wilder may never fight again.

I'd be surprised if he just flat out retired. I'd think he'd want at least want to go out on a win, but I don't know. Stranger things have happened I guess.

[bobcatbox]

bob says ppl are still giving kow credit and that he was ranked top 10 before


i dont agree that he's really getting much cred these days, but he was getting into top 10s, and tbh i could see the justifiction because he was staying busy with okay wins while other guys didnt do much

People on this forum maybe not, and okay fair enough maybe Kow getting respect isn’t the best way to put my point. I just find it ridiculous that PBC is already charting a path for a Kow comeback and it seems to be taken very seriously but people are writing off Wilder for losing to the best heavy in the world and subsequently making crazy statements.

Apparently Kow may be headed for a knockout by Wilder: https://www.worldboxingnews.net/2021/01 ... -comeback/

Should they go full on WWE and loser leaves town AKA retires?

[zsilinszkyrolanddd]

Dear Deontay !!

i will give you the verb from the kanaperol..the buffalo is strong in your right hand you have no other weakness.Or go to a normal brigade to train or stop ..

[margaret thatcher]

bob says ppl are still giving kow credit and that he was ranked top 10 before


i dont agree that he's really getting much cred these days, but he was getting into top 10s, and tbh i could see the justifiction because he was staying busy with okay wins while other guys didnt do much

People on this forum maybe not, and okay fair enough maybe Kow getting respect isn’t the best way to put my point. I just find it ridiculous that PBC is already charting a path for a Kow comeback and it seems to be taken very seriously but people are writing off Wilder for losing to the best heavy in the world and subsequently making crazy statements.

Apparently Kow may be headed for a knockout by Wilder: https://www.worldboxingnews.net/2021/01 ... -comeback/

Should they go full on WWE and loser leaves town AKA retires?

well, kow is a pbc fighter, so they will try to build him back. i think hardly anyone takes him that seriously now though as a contender. even before he lost most of the love he got was because of his style and not really cuz ppl thought he was that good

wilder gets so much crap right now in large part because he set the atg record for most crazy exuses for a single fight--he made it easy. but i doubt many ppl think he'd not still smash up someone like kow

im guessing wilders comeback would be against either wallin (if he beats dom), martin, or the winner of this. pbc loves in house too and i gotta think theyd love making wilder-ruiz if andy ever crawls his arse back in the ring. and then i suppose an aj or fury 3 could possibly still happen. there is enough money left for wilder to make fighting on a sensible decision,

let's see how he comes back, some dudes are never the same after a loss like that and he is getting up there + history of injuries, but then again some dudes go on another run. lets face it most of us will watch when he returns.

[golden_labrador]

exactly. i'd watch Wilder fight anything because it's so odd to watch and because he could knock out a cow.

i also like to watch boxing, but that's got nothing to do with this

[Perkin Warbeck]

Wilder is done, not sure if he will ever be back, I think the best for him is to fight Joshua after he loses to Fury and then retire.

I think you are correct. He's been inactive for well over a year, with no talk of any upcoming fight. Wilder is mentally broken.

[gilgamesh]

I'm not sure if it's the layoff that'll effect him so much as the fact that he doesn't feel he needs to work on or improve anything. I mean Tyson Fury hasn't fought since the rematch either.

[Perkin Warbeck]

I'm not sure if it's the layoff that'll effect him so much as the fact that he doesn't feel he needs to work on or improve anything. I mean Tyson Fury hasn't fought since the rematch either.

A long layoff is more damaging mentally after a devastating loss, though. A confidence-building warm-up fight would help.

But Tyson Fury has recently expressed concern about his own long layoff.