Liston vs 90's heavyweight

[abdelfadeeli]

vs Tommy Morrison
vs Lennox Lewis
vs Evander Holyfield
vs Riddick Bowe
vs Mike Tyson (1990's)
vs Ray Mercer
vs Oliver McCall
vs Michael Moore
vs George Foreman (1990's)
Liston was very underrated. He was actually a technically and physically complete fighter. Muhammad Ali once stated in his biography: "Sonny Liston was one of the best technical fighters I fought". He probably had the greatest jab in the history of the heavyweight division, and is among the strongest punchers. and believe it or not, his chin was decent, in fact one of the best. Only being dropped twice and one of them was a dive.

1. If Morrison plays it safe for the first few rounds, he may able to survive the first two rounds, but Liston would catch him in the third. Liston KO 3. Liston could possibly knockout Morrison with a jab.

2. Liston KO's Lewis round 6-10. Liston was more powerful, better chin, and in my opinion the smarter fighter. Lewis would get tagged pretty bad towards the middle of the fight, and Liston's killer instinct will take him to the finish. In a Jab fest, Lewis would be sent to sleep. Liston had a great ability to adapt throughout a bout and would adapt to Lewis' style. The problem is that Lewis is facing a boxer with power, not a brawler with some boxing skill. There is a difference.

3. Probably one of Liston's toughest match-ups. Liston would use his jab to keep Evander off, but Holyfield would be applying the pressure all night. this is one of those fights in which both fighters would spend the next month in hospital. Liston would get tagged a couple of times. Holyfield, if not intimidated by Liston, then liston would be in for a very tough night. Liston by razor sharp UD. The Technicality and power prevails for Liston.

4. Big Daddy Bowe was a large, strong and tough fighter. he has great technical skills. But his style is made for someone like Liston. Sonny can land that left hook all night and keep Bowe on the retreat. Bowe was a good fighter, but he isn't at Liston's level. Liston UD. The Key for liston, however, is for him to apply the pressure throughout the entire fight.

5. Mike Tyson of the 90's was not the same as the old Kid Dynamite. he was flat footed, slower, less technically sound, under prepared. Tyson himself even admitted the only man he would be scared of would be Liston. Sonny Liston was everything Tyson wishes he was.Liston was tough and a true bad man without having to say so.Williams had big time power like Tyson and probably the same amount of speed.Williams was also bigger than Tyson.Liston simply shook off the blows and figuered Williams out,eventually knocking him out in 3 rounds.Sonny took Williams down in the 2 round in their rematch.Liston would pound the smaller Tyson around the ring and do what nobody ever did with a prime Tyson and that's dominate him.Sonny takes this in no more than 5 but probably ends this much earlier by 3rd round knockout.
6. Mercer is not on Liston's level. Mercer had a decent punch and chin, but liston would TKO him in the 11th.

7. Oliver McCall was one tough warrior. he would give Liston alot of troubles, mabye tag Liston a fair number of times throughout the fight. i Dont think Liston would Stop McCall. Liston would have to be weary of McCall's right hand power, especially his unorthadox approach to throwing it. but at the end of the day, Liston is the far superior fighter, in terms of Power, Speed, reach (slightly), technicality and endurance. Liston UD 12.

8. Michael Moorer had very good boxing skills. One of the favourite light-heavyweight fighters. he had the complete package, speed, power, skill. but sadly at heavyweight, I don't think his chin would be able to survive a night with Liston. I think Liston tags him in the 5th round and knockouts him out. Liston KO 5.

9. Old George was too slow to complete with a prime Liston. Alex Stewart gave Foreman alot of problems, and i see Liston giving Old George far more problems. Foreman could copate in the first few rounds with his also powerful jab, But after then Liston would adapt and land at will on old George. Liston by UD. Unless the ref stops it due to damage.

[Woldemar]

1.Liston KO 1 Morrisson
2.Liston TKO 8 Lewis
3.Holyfield SD 12 Liston
4.Liston MD 12 Bowe
5.Liston TKO 10 Tyson
6.Liston TKO 11 Mercer
7.Liston UD 12 McCall
8.Liston KO 4 Moorer
9.Liston UD 12 Foreman

[AndyYevish]

Fantasy land if you think Liston beats Lennox Lewis.

Not even close. Every advantage goes to Lewis.

The poster thinks Liston was underrated. Insay he is overrated. Who did he beat?

Patterson? Patterson was basically a light heavyweight... arguably one of the weakest champions of all time.

Cleveland Williams? Just look at this guy’s record and look at his opponents wins and losses. He made a career of beating (and sometimes losing to) club fighters... guys with records of 13-22-4 and such.

Eddie Machen? Fringe contender at best if he were in the 1990s He probably would have been a reasonably easy opponent for 45 year old George Foreman or Larry Holmes on USA’s Tuesday night fights.

Zora Folley? See the above comment on Cleveland Williams. Look at the opponents records.

Liston was around during one of the weakest eras where heavyweights were undersized. Contenders were basically club fighters who were trading wins and losses with each other.

So he scores a spectacular one round ko of a popular champion on TV and all of a sudden he is indestructible?

Clay beat him easily. Made him look ordinary.

(Another overrated fighter by the way... Ali should have lost all 3 decisions to Norton and the Frazier fights were razor thin... but he was a political figure and a great self-promoter... so....

Liston probably has abwas witha fighter like Rey Mercer. Not sure he wins either. Morrisson after he got experience may have been able to outbox him as he did Foreman but would have been vulnerable to a kayo.

Prime Bowe likely wins pretty easily. He was faster, a more accurate puncher, could punch down on Liston and had great power in the right hand. But Liston would have had a puncher’s chance. Bowe had better amateur experience.

Holyfield would have been a fun match to watch. I think Holyfield would have putboxed him and wore him down and gotten a pretty easy decision as Liston faded late. Prime Holyfield was a force. He was also one of the best game-plan followers.

Prime Tyson? Liston would have gone down like a tree. He would have said “I was never hit like that before”. 90’s Tyson, different story.

Tim Witherspoon... good matchup. Spoon had the big overhand right that could put anyone to sleep and gave Prime Larry Holmes his best fight (although it was not as close as actually called... he had a couple good rounds where he hurt Holmes but that was it). 90ms ‘Spoon was very tough. But he probably loses to prime Liston.

90’s Holmes beats the version of Liston that list to Ali, much the way he beat Rey Mercer. Too good s defense and too good at recovering when hit.

Old Foreman. Good match for Prime Liston. He was smarter and knew how to pace himself. He had a huge body and could tie his opponents up and lean on them and was not easy to hit. My gut tells me Old George scores a Kayo.

Guys like Franz Botha and Tony Tucker were better than most of the contenders in the 1960s.

Size matters. 90’s heavies would not be intimidated or pushed around like the 180-190 lb heavies of Liston’s era.

[margaret thatcher]

Very good fighter, but very overrated in this section.

[AntonioMartin]

Liston has a puncher's chance against Lewis, because he came at you like Oliver McCall did and Rasham...

But more than likely, Lewis outboxes him.

Liston ko's Morrison.

The rest, it's a toss-up

[f read]

1.Liston KO 1 Morrisson
2.Liston TKO 8 Lewis
3.Holyfield SD 12 Liston
4.Liston MD 12 Bowe
5.Liston TKO 10 Tyson
6.Liston TKO 11 Mercer
7.Liston UD 12 McCall
8.Liston KO 4 Moorer
9.Liston UD 12 Foreman

Liston knocks out Tommy kind of like Mercer did.
Lennox Lewis outboxes and decisions Liston in 12 rounds.
Evander Holyfield outguts and takes a close decision.
Riddick Bowe very underrated inside game defeats Liston by decision.
Mike Tyson 1980s knocks Sonny out in middle rounds.
Sonny Liston draws Ray Mercer two tough cookies go at it.
Sonny Liston defeats MCCall by stoppage middle rounds
Moorer the southpaw is overwhelmed by Liston and goes down swinging in middle rounds.
George Foreman the patient outpoints Sonny over the distance.

[Seamus]

Lewis and Tyson score devastating KO's inside of 5
Bowe and Holy take a little longer to stop him, winning inside of 9
A fight with Mercer could end with either man getting the decision, or Mercer stopping Sonny late
McCall stops Liston very late
Liston could outpoint Foreman if not George kayos him mid rounds
Liston stops Morrison and Moorer inside of 5.

[gilgamesh]

vs Tommy Morrison - I think Liston knocks out Morrison in a pretty one sided fight. Morrison could hang with Liston if he was on his absolute A game for a little while, but ultimately he gets stopped by Liston, and I think he loses most rounds.

vs Lennox Lewis - I think Lewis probably stops Liston late in the fight. Around the 8th or 9th. It'd be a good fight, 2 Heavyweights who had magnificent jabs. I think Lewis is the better overall fighter though.

vs Evander Holyfield - Good, close competitive fight with Holyfield winning a hard fought decision.

vs Riddick Bowe - Bowe wins by late stoppage. It'd be a good fight, but Bowe is ultimately too big and too strong for Liston.

vs Mike Tyson (1990's) - Battle of the Bullies. Which one decides he's had enough, and packs it in first? Since we're talking about 90's Tyson, and presumably prime Liston. I'm gonna guess Tyson is the one who gives.

vs Ray Mercer - Liston wins a decision in a hard fought battle.

vs Oliver McCall - Liston wins a lopsided decision. McCall is tough, but not on this skill level.

vs Michael Moorer - Moorer is probably outboxing Liston, and ahead in the fight when he gets knocked out.

vs George Foreman (1990's) - Liston wins a hard fought decision.

So I'd think Liston goes 6-3 in these fights.

[DrDuke]

Liston wins Tommy Morrison by late KO. Morrison could bring it early on and had the chances to stop Liston, but Sonny would be likely to drag it into the later rounds and take an advantage of Morrison's chin and stamina.

Lennox Lewis wins Liston either by a clear decision or by a late stoppage. Lewis was simply better in almost everything.

Evander Holyfield wins Liston by confident decision or by a late stoppage. Holyfield had all necessary tools to make it a fight and get better of it against Sonny. I even lean more to the stoppage by Holy.

Riddick Bowe wins Liston by late KO. Bowe was just too big, strong, fluid and vicious inside, he would maul Sonny down.

Liston wins Mike Tyson by a dec in a competetive fight. Tyson could KO Liston at any point, but by that time his skillset was declined, so Sonny could avoid the best shots of Mike and outbox him.

Liston wins Ray Mercer by a close dec. Mercer would give Liston a hard fight, but Liston would be able to edge there due to his superior boxing abilities.

Liston wins Oliver McCall by a wide decision. Liston was on the other level compared to McCall.

Liston wins Michael Moorer by an early KO. Moorer didn't have enough of chin to deal with Liston.

Liston wins George Foreman by a confident dec. Foreman wasn't there anymore, he arguably lost to Alex Stewart and Axel Schulz. Prime Foreman would pulverize Liston, but the old one would get outboxed.

[Crease]

Liston on his best day was ferocious, that's for sure... But when you look at his record, there are more than a few lower-ranked guys...

He was feared in his time, but his reign was deceptively short...

A few of those 90s guys could give him a proper test...

[Crease]

There is a perception (mostly from Ali fans) that Liston was a giant of a man... And that he was befitting of the name "The Big Bear"...

But, in actual fact - Liston was only 6'1... Same height as me...
Certainly not short, but hardly a giant of a man...
Plus, Ali was the taller and bigger man, that part never goes mentioned...

And people these days called David Haye a small HW - he is 6'3...
Perception is a funny thing...

[f read]

There is a perception (mostly from Ali fans) that Liston was a giant of a man... And that he was befitting of the name "The Big Bear"...

But, in actual fact - Liston was only 6'1... Same height as me...
Certainly not short, but hardly a giant of a man...
Plus, Ali was the taller and bigger man, that part never goes mentioned...

And people these days called David Haye a small HW - he is 6'3...
Perception is a funny thing...

I think his reputation meanness and sullen nature made him seem like a bigger man. Yes perception is a strange thing. He did have a battering jab and a long reach for a man of his stature though.

[Crease]

I think his reputation meanness and sullen nature made him seem like a bigger man. Yes perception is a strange thing. He did have a battering jab and a long reach for a man of his stature though.

Yep, fantastic jab and a heavy hitter... But not the invincible monster that he was made out to be...
I still have him just inside my top 20 Heavyweights...

In my view, he doesn't get anywhere near a top 10 and he shouldn't on anyone's list. When looking at the records of the greatest fighters, we always look for around a half dozen fights where they have beaten a strong standard of opposition...

With Liston, its has to be; Floyd Patterson (x2), Cleveland Williams (x2), Zora Folley, Eddie Machen & Nino Valdes... It's not exactly the strongest of resumes....

[Crease]

vs Tommy Morrison
Tommy Morrison gasses out... Liston's jab does it's punishing work. Liston TKO 10.

vs Lennox Lewis
Lennox wins the battle of the jabs, Sonny can't settle himself to land. He retires on his stool in round 7.

vs Evander Holyfield
Holyfield refuses to be intimidated and guts it out for a fine UD victory.

vs Riddick Bowe
Riddick falls victim to overconfidence... Liston wins on pts...

vs Mike Tyson (1990's)
Tyson has just enough in the tank to search and destroy, and when he lands... Sonny doesn't like it.... Tyson KO round 6.

vs Ray Mercer
Sonny's jab wins the day again. It's over in round 11.

vs Oliver McCall
Sonny wins this on points.

vs Michael Moorer
Sonny KOs Moorer in the later rounds when Michael starts getting careless with his guard.

vs George Foreman (1990's)
A wily old Foreman still carries the power and keeps it simple with the one twos, on way to overpowering Sonny and KOing him in round nine.

[Ambling Alp II]

I think he would lose more often than not against Holyfield, Lewis, and Bowe. He had a better jab and more power than any of them. They more than made up for it in other areas. However, if he fights them all three times he isn't going 0-9.

Tyson is 50-50. There a re a lot of scenarios of what would happen.

Suppose on a given night, he could lose to some of the other guys. If Mercer came to fight he would have a chance. However, he would win almost all the time. Morrison and Moorer would be short and brutal wins for Liston.

There is no way Liston would lose to the Foreman of the 1990s. Foreman couldn't have knocked him out and couldn't have won a decision. foreman may be as overrated in his comeback period as he is in underrated in his prime.

[p4p1]

There is a perception (mostly from Ali fans) that Liston was a giant of a man... And that he was befitting of the name "The Big Bear"...

But, in actual fact - Liston was only 6'1... Same height as me...
Certainly not short, but hardly a giant of a man...
Plus, Ali was the taller and bigger man, that part never goes mentioned...

And people these days called David Haye a small HW - he is 6'3...
Perception is a funny thing...

His 84" reach made him appear bigger in fights as well. Same reach as Lewis, bigger than the Klitschko brothers etc. Foreman has said that Liston was the strongest man he ever met and would prove it in the gym while they trained together. None of the big HWs are or were stronger than Foreman and if Foreman says Liston could throw him around and was stronger than him then Liston despite being smaller is likely stronger than the guys from the 90s.

Haye is considered small because of his weight, he was the same height or taller than all of his HW opponents outside of Valuev and Klitschko. His prime HW weight of 210 is slightly lighter than Liston.

[Cojimar 1946]

There is a perception (mostly from Ali fans) that Liston was a giant of a man... And that he was befitting of the name "The Big Bear"...

But, in actual fact - Liston was only 6'1... Same height as me...
Certainly not short, but hardly a giant of a man...
Plus, Ali was the taller and bigger man, that part never goes mentioned...

And people these days called David Haye a small HW - he is 6'3...
Perception is a funny thing...

His 84" reach made him appear bigger in fights as well. Same reach as Lewis, bigger than the Klitschko brothers etc. Foreman has said that Liston was the strongest man he ever met and would prove it in the gym while they trained together. None of the big HWs are or were stronger than Foreman and if Foreman says Liston could throw him around and was stronger than him then Liston despite being smaller is likely stronger than the guys from the 90s.

Haye is considered small because of his weight, he was the same height or taller than all of his HW opponents outside of Valuev and Klitschko. His prime HW weight of 210 is slightly lighter than Liston.

I doubt his reach was actually 84. It is given as 80 1/2 vs Martin which seems more plausible. George Foreman's autobiography didn't note Liston as being stronger than him last time I checked. Where is this coming from?

[p4p1]

There is a perception (mostly from Ali fans) that Liston was a giant of a man... And that he was befitting of the name "The Big Bear"...

But, in actual fact - Liston was only 6'1... Same height as me...
Certainly not short, but hardly a giant of a man...
Plus, Ali was the taller and bigger man, that part never goes mentioned...

And people these days called David Haye a small HW - he is 6'3...
Perception is a funny thing...

His 84" reach made him appear bigger in fights as well. Same reach as Lewis, bigger than the Klitschko brothers etc. Foreman has said that Liston was the strongest man he ever met and would prove it in the gym while they trained together. None of the big HWs are or were stronger than Foreman and if Foreman says Liston could throw him around and was stronger than him then Liston despite being smaller is likely stronger than the guys from the 90s.

Haye is considered small because of his weight, he was the same height or taller than all of his HW opponents outside of Valuev and Klitschko. His prime HW weight of 210 is slightly lighter than Liston.

I doubt his reach was actually 84. It is given as 80 1/2 vs Martin which seems more plausible. George Foreman's autobiography didn't note Liston as being stronger than him last time I checked. Where is this coming from?

These are some of the things I have read George being reported to say:
In Foreman's training with "the old man," George could only carry one wheelbarrow for every 3 for Sonny. "His strength," said Foreman, "you just can't believe how strong he was!" (Foreman later took Sonny's idea, and pulled a car up and down a hill to train!)

George was asked who the strongest fighter he ever saw was, and he answered "Sonny Liston, and he was the strongest MAN I ever saw!"

Scrap Iron said Foreman was strong, but he was a kid next to Sonny Liston.

I guess Foreman doesn't say say the words Liston was stronger than me but it is implied IMO.

[f read]

His 84" reach made him appear bigger in fights as well. Same reach as Lewis, bigger than the Klitschko brothers etc. Foreman has said that Liston was the strongest man he ever met and would prove it in the gym while they trained together. None of the big HWs are or were stronger than Foreman and if Foreman says Liston could throw him around and was stronger than him then Liston despite being smaller is likely stronger than the guys from the 90s.

Haye is considered small because of his weight, he was the same height or taller than all of his HW opponents outside of Valuev and Klitschko. His prime HW weight of 210 is slightly lighter than Liston.

I doubt his reach was actually 84. It is given as 80 1/2 vs Martin which seems more plausible. George Foreman's autobiography didn't note Liston as being stronger than him last time I checked. Where is this coming from?

These are some of the things I have read George being reported to say:
In Foreman's training with "the old man," George could only carry one wheelbarrow for every 3 for Sonny. "His strength," said Foreman, "you just can't believe how strong he was!" (Foreman later took Sonny's idea, and pulled a car up and down a hill to train!)

George was asked who the strongest fighter he ever saw was, and he answered "Sonny Liston, and he was the strongest MAN I ever saw!"

Scrap Iron said Foreman was strong, but he was a kid next to Sonny Liston.

I guess Foreman doesn't say say the words Liston was stronger than me but it is implied IMO.

George idolized Sonny Liston. He even grew a moustache to emulate him. His early career stare and sullenness are also dedicated to Liston.

[Caractacus]

but you gonna have to either make the 1990's HW's smaller or the late 1950's/early 1960's Liston bigger then he was to be fair about it.

[Caractacus]

there was a photo of a 19 year old George Foreman in one of the 1968 or 1969 newspapers
trying to have a balefull stare and look like Liston in a publcity photo but he looked kind of comical.
almost like Roger Daltry trying to sing like Johnny Cash for a Johnny Cash song the "High Numbers" did back around 1964.

[Ambling Alp II]

but you gonna have to either make the 1990's HW's smaller or the late 1950's/early 1960's Liston bigger then he was to be fair about it.

No you don't. Scales don't win fights.

[Ascended]

As shown here Liston was way less advanced than No Names in the '80s, fighters even advanced alot in the '90s then early '00s so why did anybody say Liston wins? He never even fought guys as advanced as anybody in these era's people online aren't sane at all

[media][/media]

Everybody listed destroys him easy

look not only at Liston but look at the people he fought and all the people even the no names in my video fought way more advanced than the 60s they look horrible very basic and flawed

[gilgamesh]

vs Tommy Morrison
vs Lennox Lewis
vs Evander Holyfield
vs Riddick Bowe
vs Mike Tyson (1990's)
vs Ray Mercer
vs Oliver McCall
vs Michael Moore
vs George Foreman (1990's)

Liston would outbox Mercer, McCall, and old Foreman. I could see him stopping Morrison and Moorer in competitive bouts. I think he'd be in a 50/50 fight with Tyson in the 90's in a bout that could go either way.

Lewis, Holyfield and Bowe would beat him. Holyfield probably beats Liston by decision. Lewis and Bowe I could see stopping Liston.

[Ascended]

vs Tommy Morrison
vs Lennox Lewis
vs Evander Holyfield
vs Riddick Bowe
vs Mike Tyson (1990's)
vs Ray Mercer
vs Oliver McCall
vs Michael Moore
vs George Foreman (1990's)

Liston would outbox Mercer, McCall, and old Foreman. I could see him stopping Morrison and Moorer in competitive bouts. I think he'd be in a 50/50 fight with Tyson in the 90's in a bout that could go either way.

Lewis, Holyfield and Bowe would beat him. Holyfield probably beats Liston by decision. Lewis and Bowe I could see stopping Liston.

As shown here Liston was way less advanced than No Names in the '80s, fighters even advanced alot in the '90s then early '00s so why did anybody say Liston wins? He never even fought guys as advanced as anybody in these era's

[media][/media]

Everybody listed destroys him easy

look not only at Liston but look at the people he fought and all the people even the no names in my video fought way more advanced than the 60s they look horrible very basic and flawed

You crazy person you're fictional son doesn't exist showing he was ever advanced enough even to compete with no names in the 80s let alone mid-carders from 80s-'90s