Does Terence Crawford deserve to be a top-ten pound-for-pounder?

[Counter-puncher]

What i love about EO is he has the following opinions on boxing:

1) canelo is great and can do no wrong
2) big heavyweights are better
3) ggg and crawford have fought poor competition

Thats about it. And with those 3 topics he writes and writes and writes and never convinces anyone hes right because nobody reads his posts.

Imagine waking up and having those 3 thoughts and only those 3 thoughts and needing to write weekly short stories on them.

Its funny and also sad

'Hi, I'm EO, I'm very normal'

[margaret thatcher]

why does shakur stevenson keep getting mentioned lol

[The Gratest]

[NateJR]

I believe Crawford is the best P4P fighter currently. But I wouldn't put him at #1, his body of work has too little to be desired.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Bob Arum to announce Terence Crawford’s next fight next week, says it’s a “Major fight” on PPV.

Arum says they’ll be revealing the date and location when the announcement is made.

[Onetimeonly]

I believe Crawford is the best P4P fighter currently. But I wouldn't put him at #1, his body of work has too little to be desired.

It's p4p, should be more eye.

[Enlightened-One]

Bob Arum to announce Terence Crawford’s next fight next week, says it’s a “Major fight” on PPV.

Arum says they’ll be revealing the date and location when the announcement is made.

It's probably Yordenis Ugas or Shawn Porter, though my money is on the latter (bigger name and also the WBO's mandatory challenger).

It definitely won't be Manny Pacquiao. Bob Arum just uses the Filipino's name to promote Crawford.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

If it is porter thats fantastic and shows the early media "negotiations" that were posted here were a jumping off point

If it isnt a PBC opponent then im stumped. Taylor and Ramirez are fighting each other.....

I hope to hell it isnt mikey Garcia or broner

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Maybe ortiz?

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

I hope he fights oscar with ggg fighting the winner. Just to see the EO reaction

[NateJR]

I believe Crawford is the best P4P fighter currently. But I wouldn't put him at #1, his body of work has too little to be desired.

It's p4p, should be more eye.

Nah, if it goes more by eye then anyone who's not legally blind should have Shakur Stevenson easily top 5 or even top 3. What Crawford did south of 147 was nice, but there are others out there that have much more impressive wins than Crawford and have done it recently. Crawford hasn't done jack shit in like 3 years that justify he's #1 P4P, he's not even the #1 in his own division.

[ironbeard]

I hope he fights oscar with ggg fighting the winner. Just to see the EO reaction

[Onetimeonly]

I believe Crawford is the best P4P fighter currently. But I wouldn't put him at #1, his body of work has too little to be desired.

It's p4p, should be more eye.

Nah, if it goes more by eye then anyone who's not legally blind should have Shakur Stevenson easily top 5 or even top 3. What Crawford did south of 147 was nice, but there are others out there that have much more impressive wins than Crawford and have done it recently. Crawford hasn't done jack shit in like 3 years that justify he's #1 P4P, he's not even the #1 in his own division.

That's exactly right, resume is for divisional and historical rankings. Straight resume nobody touches PAC.

[NateJR]

It's p4p, should be more eye.

Nah, if it goes more by eye then anyone who's not legally blind should have Shakur Stevenson easily top 5 or even top 3. What Crawford did south of 147 was nice, but there are others out there that have much more impressive wins than Crawford and have done it recently. Crawford hasn't done jack shit in like 3 years that justify he's #1 P4P, he's not even the #1 in his own division.

That's exactly right, resume is for divisional and historical rankings. Straight resume nobody touches PAC.

There has a be a ballance of everything. Crawford is a bit top heavy on the eye test at this point. Right now Crawford is like flash in the pan, has done nice work, but didn't continue that same path after he moved to 147. There has to be more substance to rankings or then it turns into a opinion with nothing to back it up. If we're going to call someone the best fighter in the world, ALL criteria should be considered and Crawford just doesn't meet all the criteria to "prove" he's the best fighter in the world.

[Onetimeonly]

Nah, if it goes more by eye then anyone who's not legally blind should have Shakur Stevenson easily top 5 or even top 3. What Crawford did south of 147 was nice, but there are others out there that have much more impressive wins than Crawford and have done it recently. Crawford hasn't done jack shit in like 3 years that justify he's #1 P4P, he's not even the #1 in his own division.

That's exactly right, resume is for divisional and historical rankings. Straight resume nobody touches PAC.

There has a be a ballance of everything. Crawford is a bit top heavy on the eye test at this point. Right now Crawford is like flash in the pan, has done nice work, but didn't continue that same path after he moved to 147. There has to be more substance to rankings or then it turns into a opinion with nothing to back it up. If we're going to call someone the best fighter in the world, ALL criteria should be considered and Crawford just doesn't meet all the criteria to "prove" he's the best fighter in the world.

It absolutely is opinion, I've had Crawford #1 for many years. Seen nothing to change my mind. Hell, canelos recent resume ain't much better, loma hasn't done dick recently. Using resume is more guess work than eye, are they fading? How far back is still valid? How would Inoue fair at 160? It's bullshit dude. Ain't going to be no proof. Crawford proved he was the best in a division, that's rare these days. Though that would be too long ago to talk about in the bullshit rankings for me

[NateJR]

That's exactly right, resume is for divisional and historical rankings. Straight resume nobody touches PAC.

There has a be a ballance of everything. Crawford is a bit top heavy on the eye test at this point. Right now Crawford is like flash in the pan, has done nice work, but didn't continue that same path after he moved to 147. There has to be more substance to rankings or then it turns into a opinion with nothing to back it up. If we're going to call someone the best fighter in the world, ALL criteria should be considered and Crawford just doesn't meet all the criteria to "prove" he's the best fighter in the world.

It absolutely is opinion, I've had Crawford #1 for many years. Seen nothing to change my mind. Hell, canelos recent resume ain't much better, loma hasn't done dick recently. Using resume is more guess work than eye, are they fading? How far back is still valid? How would Inoue fair at 160? It's bullshit dude. Ain't going to be no proof. Crawford proved he was the best in a division, that's rare these days. Though that would be too long ago to talk about in the bullshit rankings for me

We can agree to disagree on why Terrance does or doesn't deserve the top P4P spot. He hasn't done enough for me recently. I believe he's the best fighter in the world, but it really means eff all if he doesn't prove it against the best.

[Cyclops]

With Floyd and Manny either out of the game or on the decline the p4p list has the least relevance I can remember in my lifetime. For what its worth, I have Canelo at no.1, but I'm not a fan and think he only ever fights with the odds stacked in his favour.

P4P is really a dead thing, now. All I care about is who is best at each weight class and P4P can f*ck off.

[Enlightened-One]

For what its worth, I have Canelo at no.1, but I'm not a fan and think he only ever fights with the odds stacked in his favour.

Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Gennadiy Golovkin twice!!!

Out of interest, what sort of opposition do you feel Canelo should be facing to be regarded as either the underdog or only a slight betting favourite?

Now before you answer, let’s not forget the following facts (in case you're expecting Canelo to compete against huge weight-bully 175lb-ers or cruiserweights):

• He’s only 5’8” tall
• He campaigned at 147lbs or below for 4½ years
• He campaigned from 150lbs to 155lbs for 7 years

Also, what sort of currently active top-ten pound-for-pound fighters do you feel that Canelo needs to emulate to either persuade you to become a "fan" or to change your mind about him being risk-averse?

I just want to understand whether you’re holding Canelo accountable to higher standards than you apply to other fighters, simply because you dislike the Mexican.

For the record, I’m not defending Canelo, but in the context of the universally-regarded top-ten pound-for-pounders, I feel he has the best resume.

And some of the fighters he’s accused of “ducking” (as per Crawford’s comments about Canelo not fighting Charlo and Andrade), aren’t even facing the best in their own weight classes.

For instance:

• Six months ago, before the Derevyanchenko bout, Jermall Charlo hadn't fought any of the top-ten middleweights.
• The best middleweight Demetrius Andrade has faced is Maciej Sulecki, who was (at best) only a fringe top-ten 160lb-er.
• Artur Beterbiev's resume is pretty poor, his victory over the mentally scarred Oleksandr Gvozdyk is the only notable name he's faced.

Why do the likes of Jermall Charlo, Demetrius Andrade and Artur Beterbiev escape criticism for their relatively weak resumes, since people are accusing Canelo of “ducking” these guys?

[apollo creed]

I hope he fights oscar with ggg fighting the winner. Just to see the EO reaction

GGG vs ODLH in a exihibition match would be fun to watch!

[Thomastearns]

I hope he fights oscar with ggg fighting the winner. Just to see the EO reaction

GGG vs ODLH in a exihibition match would be fun to watch!

I'd love to see that too.

Especially after the disgusting way Oscar and the Canelo cartel treated GGG in that period up to, during and after the 2 superfights.

I'm sure Golovkin hasn't forgotten and might enjoy reminding Oscar just in case he might have.

[apollo creed]

I hope he fights oscar with ggg fighting the winner. Just to see the EO reaction

GGG vs ODLH in a exihibition match would be fun to watch!

I'd love to see that too.

Especially after the disgusting way Oscar and the Canelo cartel treated GGG in that period up to, during and after the 2 superfights.

I'm sure Golovkin hasn't forgotten and might enjoy reminding Oscar just in case he might have.

True. GGG would get some sweet revenge but if this type of match would happen the contract would be full of safety clauses for ODLH.

[Enlightened-One]

I hope he fights oscar with ggg fighting the winner. Just to see the EO reaction

GGG vs ODLH in a exihibition match would be fun to watch!

I'd love to see that too.

Especially after the disgusting way Oscar and the Canelo cartel treated GGG in that period up to, during and after the 2 superfights.

I'm sure Golovkin hasn't forgotten and might enjoy reminding Oscar just in case he might have.

What sort of alleged “nightmare” has De La Hoya forced upon the self-managed self-promoted, self-negotiated GGG?

Are you suggesting Gennadiy exploited himself or do you believe he made poor decisions?

And if it’s the latter, is Golovkin completely blameless for picking up the pen and signing the contract?

Did Oscar hire several henchmen to pin GGG down, against his will, forced him to hold the pen, and moved his arm around to fabricate a signatue?

It’s such a shame! GGG is easily manipulated and can never be held accountable for his own actions!

Don’t bother responding to my post, because you definitely don’t have a decent counter-argument that remotely resembles reality!

[margaret thatcher]

does herring rate above crawford now as wwell

[gilgamesh]

I'd say Golovkin's had a perfectly fine career, and has made quite a bit of money. Not as much as he would've liked maybe.

GGG vs De La Hoya in an actual fight would be fine. Any Exhibition match is pointless with very few exceptions.

Most of the guys that are jumping at those now thinking it'll go over like Tyson vs Roy Jones will be saddened to learn nobody gives 2 f*cks about their event.

[gilgamesh]

does herring rate above crawford now as wwell

Definitely not.