The Top 100 Greatest Boxers Pound per Pound of All-Time

[elmersalsa]

I understand

Thats my point too - if a close loss to maidana for morales is great a close loss to floyd should be rated 10 times that

He was bigger, taller and stronger than Floyd at 154lbs. He should have stopped Floyd out. Big time. But he lost.

As a matter of fact, he lost to every great fighter of his prime:
Felix "Tito" Trinidad
Shane Mosley (twice)
The Oscar-winning performance plot against the great Bernard Hopkins
Floyd Mayweather
Manny Pacquiao.

That does not make the cut. He should have at least won one or two of those fights.

Earlier you said that Trinidad and Mosley were not great fighters.

I'm assuming that it doesn't matter to you that he should have got the decision against Trinidad and against Mosley the 2nd time? Sorry. Silly question. Of course it doesn't.

For those of you scoring at home, the wins over Camacho, Whitaker, and Chavez don't count.
Somehow the loss to Mayweather and even Pacquiao does count! Wow, no bias against DLH here.

De La Hoya should have stopped Mayweather because he was bigger, taller, and stronger. However, the Hopkins fight somehow counts even though Hopkins was bigger, taller and stronger!

Tito and Shane even Oscar and Esteban De Jesus were great fighters but not 100 all time top pound per pound greats. The same could br said about Tommy Gibbons, Lloyd Marshall, Freddie Steele, and Aaron Pryor and many other greats. Were they great? But top 100 greats? Not at all. They don't make the cut for me. Maybe for you they do. Maybe Floyd Patterson makes your top 100 not in mine.

Oscar lost the biggest fights of his career for all the marbles to be the best at the moment: L12 Felix "Tito" Trinidad, L12 Shane Mosley, L12 Floyd Mayweather, Jr and LKO10 Bernard Hopkins in an Oscar award performance crawling on the floor by a shot that was not all that. Plus, the beating that Manny Pacquiao gave him that it was embarrassing. Lost too many fights for all the marbles to make the cut. Sorry.

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Was Duran's performance in SRL 2 Oscar worthy? More like Razzie worthy perhaps?

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The Great Super Oscar!!



It’s Oscar’s job to tell everyone what to bring to the neighborhood picnic. But the young daydreamer forgot to hand out the lists, so unless he acts fast, there won’t be any food or games! The future boxing champ uses his determination, some lightning-fast moves, and a lot of fancy footwork—including sprinting over avocados to make guacamole and whipping cream by jumping rope—to prepare for the picnic and save the day!

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Once every decade I come back to check what number we're on. So? Where is Elmer up to?

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Once every decade I come back to check what number we're on. So? Where is Elmer up to?

I derailed it discussing de la hoyas merits and inconsistencies.

So i added another year at least

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Once every decade I come back to check what number we're on. So? Where is Elmer up to?

I derailed it discussing de la hoyas merits and inconsistencies.

So i added another year at least

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He was bigger, taller and stronger than Floyd at 154lbs. He should have stopped Floyd out. Big time. But he lost.

As a matter of fact, he lost to every great fighter of his prime:
Felix "Tito" Trinidad
Shane Mosley (twice)
The Oscar-winning performance plot against the great Bernard Hopkins
Floyd Mayweather
Manny Pacquiao.

That does not make the cut. He should have at least won one or two of those fights.

Earlier you said that Trinidad and Mosley were not great fighters.

I'm assuming that it doesn't matter to you that he should have got the decision against Trinidad and against Mosley the 2nd time? Sorry. Silly question. Of course it doesn't.

For those of you scoring at home, the wins over Camacho, Whitaker, and Chavez don't count.
Somehow the loss to Mayweather and even Pacquiao does count! Wow, no bias against DLH here.

De La Hoya should have stopped Mayweather because he was bigger, taller, and stronger. However, the Hopkins fight somehow counts even though Hopkins was bigger, taller and stronger!

Tito and Shane even Oscar and Esteban De Jesus were great fighters but not 100 all time top pound per pound greats. The same could br said about Tommy Gibbons, Lloyd Marshall, Freddie Steele, and Aaron Pryor and many other greats. Were they great? But top 100 greats? Not at all. They don't make the cut for me. Maybe for you they do. Maybe Floyd Patterson makes your top 100 not in mine.

Oscar lost the biggest fights of his career for all the marbles to be the best at the moment: L12 Felix "Tito" Trinidad, L12 Shane Mosley, L12 Floyd Mayweather, Jr and LKO10 Bernard Hopkins in an Oscar award performance crawling on the floor by a shot that was not all that. Plus, the beating that Manny Pacquiao gave him that it was embarrassing. Lost too many fights for all the marbles to make the cut. Sorry.

He beat Whitaker, Chavez and Camacho. Those were big fights. The beating he gave Chavez was embarrassing for Chavez. I'm assuming you aren't ranking Chavez either.

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Was Duran's performance in SRL 2 Oscar worthy? More like Razzie worthy perhaps?

I'm sure elmer will take this into consideration when he rats Duran. Perhaps it was so bad that he won't rank Duran at all.

How about the ko loss to Hearns where he went down face first. Obviously that has to hurt Duran's case as well.

[elmersalsa]

Earlier you said that Trinidad and Mosley were not great fighters.

I'm assuming that it doesn't matter to you that he should have got the decision against Trinidad and against Mosley the 2nd time? Sorry. Silly question. Of course it doesn't.

For those of you scoring at home, the wins over Camacho, Whitaker, and Chavez don't count.
Somehow the loss to Mayweather and even Pacquiao does count! Wow, no bias against DLH here.

De La Hoya should have stopped Mayweather because he was bigger, taller, and stronger. However, the Hopkins fight somehow counts even though Hopkins was bigger, taller and stronger!

Tito and Shane even Oscar and Esteban De Jesus were great fighters but not 100 all time top pound per pound greats. The same could br said about Tommy Gibbons, Lloyd Marshall, Freddie Steele, and Aaron Pryor and many other greats. Were they great? But top 100 greats? Not at all. They don't make the cut for me. Maybe for you they do. Maybe Floyd Patterson makes your top 100 not in mine.

Oscar lost the biggest fights of his career for all the marbles to be the best at the moment: L12 Felix "Tito" Trinidad, L12 Shane Mosley, L12 Floyd Mayweather, Jr and LKO10 Bernard Hopkins in an Oscar award performance crawling on the floor by a shot that was not all that. Plus, the beating that Manny Pacquiao gave him that it was embarrassing. Lost too many fights for all the marbles to make the cut. Sorry.

He beat Whitaker, Chavez and Camacho. Those were big fights. The beating he gave Chavez was embarrassing for Chavez. I'm assuming you aren't ranking Chavez either.

The win against Julio Cesar Chavez was not for all the marbles. It did not mean nothing. Chavez was used up like a dirty rag to clean dirty ovens.

Oscar really did not an over the hill Pernell Whitaker. He never beat him in Pernell's prime. By that time, Pernell was cooked up in drugs.

Hector "Macho" Camacho was not the same fighter after Edwin "Chapo" Rosario exposed him in 1986. By the 90s decade, Camacho was through.

Those ain't great wins. Not for all the marbles. The fights for all the marbles, Oscar lost big time. I mean, BIG TIME!

[elmersalsa]

Was Duran's performance in SRL 2 Oscar worthy? More like Razzie worthy perhaps?

Duran whupped him the first time. Don't you remember? Or you just want to forget?

[elmersalsa]

A true great fighter, Erik " El Terrible" Morales deserves to be in the pantheon of the all-time 100 pound per pound greats. He really showed his worth. His record speaks for itself.

At the age of 35, Terrible wins his 4th world crown against fellow countryman Pablo Cesar Cano of Mexico City.

The question was, who is Cano? He was a young 21 year old jr welterweight contender with a respectable record of 23-0-1 with 18KOs. Nothing much.

Terrible cuts both of Cano's eyes. By the 10th, Cano's corner said it was enough. Terrible wins his 4th world crown in 4 weight classes, being the FIRST MEXICAN fighter of Mexico's rich boxing tradition to win 4 world titles in 4 weight classes:
1. WBC World Super Bantamweight Champion
2. WBC World Featherweight Champion
3. WBC World Jr Lightweight Champion
4. And now, WBC World Jr Welterweight Champion.

The question is, is this victory a great one? Does winning 3 titles or more in different classes mean something today? The answer is no.

And why?
1. The weight classes are so close to one another now that a fighter weighs in for the fight and fights next night. Not the same night.

2. There are too many weight classes (17)and too many world champions per class (4), that is ridiculously ridiculous now. A fighter can EASILY win more than one crown today. Just fight the less regarded champ and you will be okay.

Morales enhanced his legacy. But not by much. The winning of the. 4th crown was not that significant for his legacy. He would have still make the hall of fame or be in this 100 all-time pound per pound list even if he lost to Cano.

What this win meant was that he is THE FIRST MEXICAN to win 4 world crowns in 4 weight classes. That is historical significant in the history of Mexican boxing. Nothing much.

El Terrible at 35, is way past his prime. But, this is his best win since his comeback.

[elmersalsa]

And finally, El Terrible fights rising star American Danny Garcia of Philadelphia, PA. Born of Puerto Rican parents, Garcia has a record of 22-0, 14KOs. He is only 23 years old.

Ring wars and old age started to show on El Terrible. By round 10, he looked finished and tired. But his heart, will and determination keeps him going. He is a warrior. He is one of the gamest fighters ever pound per pound of any weight classification. But FATHER TIME called on him in the 11th.

Garcia, ahead in my scorecard, connects a fast left hook to the jaw and Terrible goes down. The knockdown was check mate for Garcia and the jr welterweight class got a new champion winning by unanimous decision.

Garcia and his dad Arturo, with tears in their eyes, reached to the top. A dream come true.

Danny "Swift" Garcia, a young gun with speed, is the new WBC World Jr Welterweight Champion.

In the rematch, in October 2012, it was Terrible last fight. This time for good. Garcia in the rematch sent Erik to retirement with a 4th round knockout.

Terrible last hurrah!


El Terrible leaves us from the sport that he much loved since he was a child. He accomplished so much winning 18 world title fights in 4 weight classes, beating 15 world champions and 3 hall of fame boxers along his long career.

He is one of Mexico's true all-time greats and one of the super bantamweight division finest after the great Wilfredo Gomez of Puerto Rico.

Terrible hung up the gloves for good in a memorable and fantastic career giving all he had. A true warrior.

His final record: 52-9, with 36KOs.

[elmersalsa]

And so we are in the countdown.

We got:

100. Jersey Joe Walcott
99. Sonny Liston
98. Vicente Saldivar
97. Gene Fullmer
96. Mike Tyson
95. Eusebio Pedroza
94. Benny Lynch
93. Jack Britton
92. Tommy Ryan
91. Mike McCallum
90. James Toney
89. Tiger Flowers
88. Joe Brown
87. Ted "Kid" Lewis
86. Peter Jackson
85. Beau Jack
84. Lennox Lewis
83. Abe Attell
82. Holman Williams
81. Azumah Nelson
80. Erik "El Terrible" Morales

And now in my countdown, #79 is a great one:

Luis Manuel "El Feo" Rodriguez of Cuba. A terrific and underrated champion!

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Let's have a drink to celebrate that!!!

[Ambling Alp II]

Tito and Shane even Oscar and Esteban De Jesus were great fighters but not 100 all time top pound per pound greats. The same could br said about Tommy Gibbons, Lloyd Marshall, Freddie Steele, and Aaron Pryor and many other greats. Were they great? But top 100 greats? Not at all. They don't make the cut for me. Maybe for you they do. Maybe Floyd Patterson makes your top 100 not in mine.

Oscar lost the biggest fights of his career for all the marbles to be the best at the moment: L12 Felix "Tito" Trinidad, L12 Shane Mosley, L12 Floyd Mayweather, Jr and LKO10 Bernard Hopkins in an Oscar award performance crawling on the floor by a shot that was not all that. Plus, the beating that Manny Pacquiao gave him that it was embarrassing. Lost too many fights for all the marbles to make the cut. Sorry.

He beat Whitaker, Chavez and Camacho. Those were big fights. The beating he gave Chavez was embarrassing for Chavez. I'm assuming you aren't ranking Chavez either.

The win against Julio Cesar Chavez was not for all the marbles. It did not mean nothing. Chavez was used up like a dirty rag to clean dirty ovens.

Oscar really did not an over the hill Pernell Whitaker. He never beat him in Pernell's prime. By that time, Pernell was cooked up in drugs.

Hector "Macho" Camacho was not the same fighter after Edwin "Chapo" Rosario exposed him in 1986. By the 90s decade, Camacho was through.

Those ain't great wins. Not for all the marbles. The fights for all the marbles, Oscar lost big time. I mean, BIG TIME!

This just in. De la hoya was not at this best when he fought Mayweather, Hopkins, and Pac. Being as fair as you are to a guy you don't like, i'm sure that you will now say that they should not be counted against him.

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Let's have a drink to celebrate that!!!

Nice pic.

[Onetimeonly]

Once again Peter Jackson sticks out like a sore thumb. He might not be top 500.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

He beat Whitaker, Chavez and Camacho. Those were big fights. The beating he gave Chavez was embarrassing for Chavez. I'm assuming you aren't ranking Chavez either.

The win against Julio Cesar Chavez was not for all the marbles. It did not mean nothing. Chavez was used up like a dirty rag to clean dirty ovens.

Oscar really did not an over the hill Pernell Whitaker. He never beat him in Pernell's prime. By that time, Pernell was cooked up in drugs.

Hector "Macho" Camacho was not the same fighter after Edwin "Chapo" Rosario exposed him in 1986. By the 90s decade, Camacho was through.

Those ain't great wins. Not for all the marbles. The fights for all the marbles, Oscar lost big time. I mean, BIG TIME!

This just in. De la hoya was not at this best when he fought Mayweather, Hopkins, and Pac. Being as fair as you are to a guy you don't like, i'm sure that you will now say that they should not be counted against him.

Floyd was in his prime and oscar lost by a round but that doesnt matter because if you are in a division higher than your opponent you should dominate and knock him out regardless of age

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

This might be hashed out earlier in this thread

Mike McCallum better than james toney?

[elmersalsa]

He beat Whitaker, Chavez and Camacho. Those were big fights. The beating he gave Chavez was embarrassing for Chavez. I'm assuming you aren't ranking Chavez either.

The win against Julio Cesar Chavez was not for all the marbles. It did not mean nothing. Chavez was used up like a dirty rag to clean dirty ovens.

Oscar really did not an over the hill Pernell Whitaker. He never beat him in Pernell's prime. By that time, Pernell was cooked up in drugs.

Hector "Macho" Camacho was not the same fighter after Edwin "Chapo" Rosario exposed him in 1986. By the 90s decade, Camacho was through.

Those ain't great wins. Not for all the marbles. The fights for all the marbles, Oscar lost big time. I mean, BIG TIME!

This just in. De la hoya was not at this best when he fought Mayweather, Hopkins, and Pac. Being as fair as you are to a guy you don't like, i'm sure that you will now say that they should not be counted against him.

He was still in his prime for the Hopkins fight.

He was bigger than Floyd at 154lbs. He was at that weight for years. Already accustomed to it. But, of course, he is not exceptional and could not beat a guy smaller than he. That would not happened with the greats Tommy Hearns or Mike McCallum. They would have obliterated Pretty Boy Floyd in 6 rounds.

[elmersalsa]

Once again Peter Jackson sticks out like a sore thumb. He might not be top 500.

That is in your view. Other boxing exoerts speak highly of him

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

The win against Julio Cesar Chavez was not for all the marbles. It did not mean nothing. Chavez was used up like a dirty rag to clean dirty ovens.

Oscar really did not an over the hill Pernell Whitaker. He never beat him in Pernell's prime. By that time, Pernell was cooked up in drugs.

Hector "Macho" Camacho was not the same fighter after Edwin "Chapo" Rosario exposed him in 1986. By the 90s decade, Camacho was through.

Those ain't great wins. Not for all the marbles. The fights for all the marbles, Oscar lost big time. I mean, BIG TIME!

This just in. De la hoya was not at this best when he fought Mayweather, Hopkins, and Pac. Being as fair as you are to a guy you don't like, i'm sure that you will now say that they should not be counted against him.

He was still in his prime for the Hopkins fight.

He was bigger than Floyd at 154lbs. He was at that weight for years. Already accustomed to it. But, of course, he is not exceptional and could not beat a guy smaller than he. That would not happened with the greats Tommy Hearns or Mike McCallum. They would have obliterated Pretty Boy Floyd in 6 rounds.

Like when hagler obliterated and stopped leonard

[Onetimeonly]

Once again Peter Jackson sticks out like a sore thumb. He might not be top 500.

That is in your view. Other boxing exoerts speak highly of him

You're not an expert. Far too biased.

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The Golden Boy moniker

You know why they call Roberto Duran Hands of Stone an not Hands of Gold?

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Trivia question:

If Duran-Hearns is fought in a forrest with nobody around, does Duran crashing face first on the canvas make any noise?