Does Terence Crawford deserve to be a top-ten pound-for-pounder?

Does Terence Crawford deserve to be a top-ten pound-for-pounder?

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Syntax Error
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Re: Does Terence Crawford deserve to be a top-ten pound-for-pounder?

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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 29 Mar 2021, 11:49 Bob Arum to announce Terence Crawford’s next fight next week, says it’s a “Major fight” on PPV.

Arum says they’ll be revealing the date and location when the announcement is made.
Another one of these announcements about an announcement. :witzend:

Why do promoters and fighters do this?

It's so annoying.
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On the 15th July 2020, Bob Arum informed iFL TV about an impending annoucement of Terence Crawford's next fight:

"Well we're looking for a major Terence Crawford fight in November. Everybody will have to be patient, but hopefully within the next ten days we can announce what we have. I'm very, very optimistic that Terence will be fighting in November."

On the 29th July 2020, Bob Arum told ESPN that Manny Pacquiao and Kell Brook were being considered as potential opponents for Crawford.

He strongly implied that discussions for the Pacquiao bout were underway when he said the following:

“Well, we’re working on a big deal with Terence.”

Around the same date, Sean Gibbons of MP Promotions refuted Arum's claim about a potential Crawford-Pacquiao bout, by simply saying "That's news to me."

On the 7th September, Bob Arum confirmed that his team were finalising the terms of the horrendous Kell Brook mismatch.

On the 30th March 2021, ESPN reported discussions between the Crawford-Pacquiao camps for a June 5th bout.

The following day, Sean Gibbons, the President of MP Promotions, said the most recent rumour is just guff.

“[This is] Bob Arum and Mike Koncz nonsense,” said MP Promotions president Gibbons to Inquier.net about Pacquiao supposedly fighting Crawford next in June.

“I do not believe that is happening.”


The media have been reporting, on an annual basis, Top Rank’s alleged “intention” to “make” the Crawford-Pacquiao bout since 2014.

Bob Arum and his fellow Top Rank cronies are like little boys that keep “crying wolf”, they keep repeating the same myth over-and-over again, to the point that nobody believes them anymore!

Bob Arum just uses the Filipino's name to promote Crawford.

The next time Crawford steps foot inside the ring, he’ll probably be on the cusp of celebrating his four-year anniversary of his most recent noteworthy victory, because he’s achieved very little since August 2017.
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Post by Jeff_lacy_ko »

Syntax Error wrote: 05 Apr 2021, 05:57
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 29 Mar 2021, 11:49 Bob Arum to announce Terence Crawford’s next fight next week, says it’s a “Major fight” on PPV.

Arum says they’ll be revealing the date and location when the announcement is made.
Another one of these announcements about an announcement. :witzend:

Why do promoters and fighters do this?

It's so annoying.
To put pressure on the negotiations by setting a public deadline. It is a tactic
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Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: 05 Apr 2021, 10:08
Syntax Error wrote: 05 Apr 2021, 05:57
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 29 Mar 2021, 11:49 Bob Arum to announce Terence Crawford’s next fight next week, says it’s a “Major fight” on PPV.

Arum says they’ll be revealing the date and location when the announcement is made.
Another one of these announcements about an announcement. :witzend:

Why do promoters and fighters do this?

It's so annoying.
To put pressure on the negotiations by setting a public deadline. It is a tactic
There should be nothing public about negotiations until both fighters have signed the dotted line.
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i thought instagram offers were the hot thing these days though.....if you aint take it, you duckin!
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Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: 05 Apr 2021, 10:08
Syntax Error wrote: 05 Apr 2021, 05:57
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 29 Mar 2021, 11:49 Bob Arum to announce Terence Crawford’s next fight next week, says it’s a “Major fight” on PPV.

Arum says they’ll be revealing the date and location when the announcement is made.
Another one of these announcements about an announcement. :witzend:

Why do promoters and fighters do this?

It's so annoying.
To put pressure on the negotiations by setting a public deadline. It is a tactic
And it just has more eyes on the actually “announcement” day.
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Post by Enlightened-One »

Timothy Bradley was on the Max On Boxing show a couple of days ago and discussed the Crawford-Pacquiao rumours:

“I hear the rumors, but I‘m on the inside, and this fight doesn’t look like it’s going to happen.

“As of right now, we know that Pacquiao said he wants $40 million to make this fight [with Crawford] happen.

“We know that Pacquiao CAN’T touch the states, so the fight will have to be promoted and fought overseas...”
said Bradley.
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Post by margaret thatcher »

did mannys tax problems get worse since his last fight, which was in the states
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margaret thatcher wrote: 06 Apr 2021, 03:15did mannys tax problems get worse since his last fight, which was in the states
I don't know whether Manny’s tax debt has got worse, it’s just as bad or the Filipino simply doesn’t want to pay any more money to the US government, but here’s an extract from an ESPN article that was published in February:

"Did Ryan Garcia make a mistake in chasing Manny Pacquiao?"

The saga between Ryan Garcia and Manny Pacquiao continues to unfold. Garcia has said he wants the fight -- a real fight -- against the boxing legend, but now his promoter says it's no longer in the cards.

Where's the money? Pacquiao needs a lot of it, and doesn't want to fight in the United States because of his delinquent tax liabilities.


And perhaps there’ll be fighters and promoters looking to exploit Pacquiao’s problems with debt, by offering him a smaller purse, hoping he’ll be willing to compromise in order to quickly add some badly needed funds to his bank account?

Manny has only competed three times within the last four years and has been inactive for almost two years.

So he’s not earning any money, especially if he’s haemorrhaging interest on his debt.

Manny Pacquiao will be 43 years of age before the year is out. And there has to be a reason why he continues fighting, because he’s not doing it for the sake of his health.
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He looks to be a great fighter & top p4p fighter.
If he doesn't unify welter his legacy won't be much special. The same for Spence.
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Post by gregregegg »

I don’t think Crawford pac gets made, but if it does Crawford will win easily and deserves next to no credit for the win. Pac is so old, So inactive, and has been noticeably past prim many many years ago.
Over the last 4 or 5 years he’s
-lost a decision to Jeff horn, sure the decision was sketchy but prime manny would of stopped horn with ease.
-had a Lacklustre win over a very average broner prime manny would of beaten to a pulp.
-had A close win vs Thurman, which looks good on paper but Thurman is 35 going on 50... thurman is riddled with Injury’s and has aged like a carton of milk.

These are not the performances of an all time great, they are the showings of a welterweight Dave Allen. Add 2 more years aging and inactivity and dose it sound like a win someone should be staking there p4p claim on...
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thurman is 32 and was 30 when manny beat him, younger at that time than spence and craw are now. a lot of ppl poop on thurman but he beat porter and garcia, who spence gets major credit and props for beating only after thurman did

it was a close fight but a really nice win for manny. before that fight there was lots of talk that he was simply too old to beat kweef.


although that was 2.5 years ago and no fight since, you can never know how these older guys are gonna hold up. but even if manny is every bit as good as he was vs thurman, it wouldnt be enough vs craw
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Thurman was a solid enough win
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Thurman was a great win considering Pacman’s age. Also I can’t believe it has been 2.5 years, that fight seemed so recent.
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The Lopez win is Keith's only victory within the last 4½ years!

Thurman has also suffered from many injuries and a lot of inactivity.

It appears that Keith's body is shot to pieces (i.e. elbow, rib, neck, hand etc.).

His time as a top-tier world-rated fighter is over.
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Post by Enlightened-One »

We're still waiting for Bob Arum's "huge" announcement about Crawford's next outing.

He made the same sort of claims a few weeks prior to his official announcement of the Kell Brook mismatch.

I hope Arum finally proves me wrong and announces a genuinely big fight, but unfortunately he probably won't.
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Enlightened-One wrote: 07 Apr 2021, 08:48 The Lopez win is Keith's only victory within the last 4½ years!

Thurman has also suffered from many injuries and a lot of inactivity.

It appears that Keith's body is shot to pieces (i.e. elbow, rib, neck, hand etc.).

His time as a top-tier world-rated fighter is over.
Aside from the injuries, he just seems to have lost his fighting spirit at this point. He'll still go in there, and make a large amount of money if the chance comes up, but I'd expect him to lose to the top guys he's beaten before at this point in his career.

Porter or Danny Garcia would beat him now I figure. So Crawford definitely would.

Crawford vs Thurman probably is the matchup that gets announced though. The one that nobody would be especially excited about, but it'd still arguably be Crawford's biggest win. Certainly his biggest in several years.
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If Terence Crawford wants to prove himself as being a worthy pound-for-pound candidate, he can prove himself against the WBO’s seventh rated contender, Jaron Ennis. :TU:

Does anyone agree? :OhYes:
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The path to redemption and greatness should be through the WBO's 7th ranked fighter. Amen to that.
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If Crawford doesn't fight Pacquiao, Porter, Spence, Thurman, or Danny Garcia, I don't care. Both 40+ yr old Pac and Thurman have had long layoffs, Crawford says he doesn't care about fighting Spence, Porter is a close friend, Danny Garcia talking about moving up. All seem like a long shot. I'd be fine with Vergil Ortiz too I guess. Someone with a pulse please, no more shot fighters. June 5th? If it is Pac, hope he gets to juice up like I think he was for Thurman.
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what if pac got a tue, would that count as being juiced

what if he double juiced, like your lover boi luis ortiz, would that cancel it out and = non-juiced?
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6th March:
“The Pacquiao group is working with people in the Middle East, who are real people and that are going to finance this,” said Bob Arum to Boxing Social on the Pacquiao vs. Crawford fight.

“If that doesn’t come to fruition, then I will continue my talks with Shawn Porter and hope to do Terence against Shawn Porter.

“Either of them in my opinion is interesting fights. But obviously, Pacquiao is Pacquiao, and if Pacquiao can get into the ring with Crawford. Obviously, that’s the way Terence would want to go,”
said Arum.

29th March:
“There will be an announcement on Bud Crawford’s next fight within a week,” Arum told Barbershop Conversations.

“I can’t reveal it now, but it’ll be a MAJOR fight.

“A date, and a place and everything, but I’m not at liberty to discuss it at this time.”

“This is a big deal; this is not any old fight. This is a big deal. It’ll be announced next week, and all the details will be announced at that time.


“Yes,” Arum said when asked if Crawford’s fight will be on pay-per-view.

31st March:
MP Promotions President Sean Gibbons called the report [about Coppinger’s post about the Crawford-Pacquiao fight] “nonsense.”

“[This is] Bob Arum and Mike Koncz nonsense,”
Gibbons told the Inquirer. “I do not believe that is happening.”


7th April:
“We’re definitely going to fight on June 5th,” Crawford’s trainer Brian ‘BoMac’ McIntyre said to Town Bizznizz sports and ent.

“We’re looking at the Middle East. We got a couple of opponents on the chopping block.

“I can’t say right now, but he’s definitely going to go through in the Middle East.

“That’s where all big money is, right? We’re almost at the end of his [Crawford] career.

“The fans want certain fights, but sometimes the stars don’t line up for those fights to happen, but sometimes the stars do line up like Bud’s next fight.

“As we’re looking at it, it might be Pacquiao or the next biggest 140-pound fighter that is coming up in the division. Let the man fight. That’s all we want to do.”


12th April:
It’s been 15 days since Bob Arum claimed that Crawford’s next fight being a PPV against Manny Pacquiao, with Shawn Porter considered the plan-B opponent.

He originally claimed he’d make the announcement last week. :confused:
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29th March:
“There will be an announcement on Bud Crawford’s next fight within a week,” Bob Arum told Barbershop Conversations.

15th April:
Only seven weeks to go until the date of Crawford's heavily-speculated June 5th outing against Manny Pacquiao, but nothing has been announced yet.

Top Rank are leaving things to the last-minute.

If the fight isn’t announced by the end of next week, then it ain’t happening!
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obessesed
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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 15 Apr 2021, 11:39 obessesed
Excluding Joshua-Fury, the Crawford-Pacquiao bout SHOULD be the biggest fight of 2021.
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