UK Cash cow

[knockout]

Look at the shitty UK PPVs we have been fed by matchroom/sky recently compared to the pretty damn stacked show matchroom have In Uzbekistan tonight.

[THEBUTCH]

Cheesman v Metcalfe was the saving grace on the last show.

That was a belting British title fight.

[Jimmy2020]

Brits are suckers.

[knockout]

Cheesman v Metcalfe was the saving grace on the last show.

That was a belting British title fight.

Yes it was a great fight I agree 100%

1) sadly neither of those fighters were the ones making anywhere near PPV money

2) one good fight doesn’t make a show PPV

However it’s all down to the market I guess ... if UK fools are willing to PPV for average shows then Sky will happily take their money ( and spend it on football )

[Boxerbeetle]

Cheesman v Metcalfe was the saving grace on the last show.

That was a belting British title fight.

Yes it was a great fight I agree 100%

1) sadly neither of those fighters were the ones making anywhere near PPV money

2) one good fight doesn’t make a show PPV

However it’s all down to the market I guess ... if UK fools are willing to PPV for average shows then Sky will happily take their money ( and spend it on football )

That’s what pisses me off the most - all these dreadful, unneeded PPVs and the boxing budget remains sh!t, because Sky know that morons will keep propping up boxing buying more PPVs, so the profits actually go towards football rights. Embarrassing that boxing is the only sport in the U.K. where this happens.

[THEBUTCH]

I didn't think it was that bad a show TBH....but then I didn't watch it live and pay PPV. I waited for Sky to put them up on YouTube so that probably gives a different perspective.

Of the fights I've watched so far : Cheeseman v Metcalfe, Whyte v Povetkin, Webb v Pfiefer and Khoumari v Baker all provided entertainment.

[maverick23]

Look at the shitty UK PPVs we have been fed by matchroom/sky recently compared to the pretty damn stacked show matchroom have In Uzbekistan tonight.

Perhaps I’m in the minority but I really enjoyed the Whyte PPV show and I was fine paying £20 for it.

The Cheeseman/Metcalf fight was class, I enjoyed both the Wardley/Molina (unexpectedly competitive) fight and the McKinson/Kongo fight (a good tricky fight) and I was looking forward to see how good Campbell Hatton was.

The main event was always going to be PPV given how the first fight sold and the way it finished but it was a shame how weak Povetkin looked.

It was certainly wasn’t a PPV that I wished I hadn’t paid for the following day.

[knockout]

I didn't think it was that bad a show TBH....but then I didn't watch it live and pay PPV.

Yes as a free Saturday fight night it was a decent show ..

But as a PPV it’s like buying a £200k Lamborghini and getting a Ford Focus delivered .. meanwhile your mate in Uzbekistan bought a Ford Focus from the same dealer and got the mats & a full tank of petrol thrown in hahaha

[knockout]

Look at the shitty UK PPVs we have been fed by matchroom/sky recently compared to the pretty damn stacked show matchroom have In Uzbekistan tonight.

Perhaps I’m in the minority but I really enjoyed the Whyte PPV show and I was fine paying £20 for it.

The Cheeseman/Metcalf fight was class, I enjoyed both the Wardley/Molina (unexpectedly competitive) fight and the McKinson/Kongo fight (a good tricky fight) and I was looking forward to see how good Campbell Hatton was.

The main event was always going to be PPV given how the first fight sold and the way it finished but it was a shame how weak Povetkin looked.

It was certainly wasn’t a PPV that I wished I hadn’t paid for the following day.

I am glad you enjoyed it and of course everyone has a different view on these things.
There isn’t a wrong and right.

I just feel the UK customers aren’t getting a good deal vs many other regions.

[maverick23]

Look at the shitty UK PPVs we have been fed by matchroom/sky recently compared to the pretty damn stacked show matchroom have In Uzbekistan tonight.

Perhaps I’m in the minority but I really enjoyed the Whyte PPV show and I was fine paying £20 for it.

The Cheeseman/Metcalf fight was class, I enjoyed both the Wardley/Molina (unexpectedly competitive) fight and the McKinson/Kongo fight (a good tricky fight) and I was looking forward to see how good Campbell Hatton was.

The main event was always going to be PPV given how the first fight sold and the way it finished but it was a shame how weak Povetkin looked.

It was certainly wasn’t a PPV that I wished I hadn’t paid for the following day.

I am glad you enjoyed it and of course everyone has a different view on these things.
There isn’t a wrong and right.

I just feel the UK customers aren’t getting a good deal vs many other regions.

Unless I’m missing something it’s not like Uzbekistan are frequently getting really good shows. There are meant to be c.10,000 fans at tonight’s show which also goes some way to financing a few of the good fights.

I have far more of an issue with the May 1st PPV as I think only one of the fights they’ve announced so far is competitive. They’re meant to be announcing another couple of fights so hopefully it gets better.

Which other regions do you think are getting a good deal compared to us? I’m not saying we have a good deal in the U.K. but I’d much rather pay £20 for the Whyte/Povetkin show than $50 for Ruiz/Arreola.

[knockout]

Every region apart from US I think regarding PPV although they have had DaZN dirt cheap for the last year or so I think ?

[maverick23]

Every region apart from US I think regarding PPV although they have had DaZN dirt cheap for the last year or so I think ?

Sorry bud - not quite sure what you mean.

DAZN is cheap I think in all areas except the US. Could be wrong though.

I’m pretty sure the Hogan/Tszyu fight was on PpV in Australia - $60 for it.

[high tower 1]

It’s a joke. Eddie is cash grabbing. And if Whyte thinks he should get ppv headliners he’s delusional.

Ppv should be for the one off huge fights.

[maverick23]

It’s a joke. Eddie is cash grabbing. And if Whyte thinks he should get ppv headliners he’s delusional.

Ppv should be for the one off huge fights.

How is he delusional? Both fights with Povetkin have done c.300k buys from most reports which is enough for him, Matchroom and Sky to consider him to be a PPV fighter (in good fights).

I know the price points are higher in the US but there have been several recently that have done c.100k buys from a population 5 times the size of ours and the people involved have seemingly been happy with the results.

I don’t disagree that PPVs should be saved for big ones (and I really dislike the current line up for the May 1st show) but whether we like or not, Whyte is a consistently pretty good PPV seller.

[Rezzer1967]

It’s a joke. Eddie is cash grabbing. And if Whyte thinks he should get ppv headliners he’s delusional.

Ppv should be for the one off huge fights.

How is he delusional? Both fights with Povetkin have done c.300k buys from most reports which is enough for him, Matchroom and Sky to consider him to be a PPV fighter (in good fights).

I know the price points are higher in the US but there have been several recently that have done c.100k buys from a population 5 times the size of ours and the people involved have seemingly been happy with the results.

I don’t disagree that PPVs should be saved for big ones (and I really dislike the current line up for the May 1st show) but whether we like or not, Whyte is a consistently pretty good PPV seller.

I’m skeptical about the 300k buys. It always seems to be 300k unless it’s Joshua. Either the same 300,000 buy every PPV because they don’t know the alternatives or it’s a catch all respectable number to cover the fact that it’s much less and rather more know the alternatives. It’s like when Hearn says that the Saturday Fight Nights are getting great viewing figures when often it’s less than 100k

[Ruthless-RKO]

It’s a joke. Eddie is cash grabbing. And if Whyte thinks he should get ppv headliners he’s delusional.

Ppv should be for the one off huge fights.

How is he delusional? Both fights with Povetkin have done c.300k buys from most reports which is enough for him, Matchroom and Sky to consider him to be a PPV fighter (in good fights).

I know the price points are higher in the US but there have been several recently that have done c.100k buys from a population 5 times the size of ours and the people involved have seemingly been happy with the results.

I don’t disagree that PPVs should be saved for big ones (and I really dislike the current line up for the May 1st show) but whether we like or not, Whyte is a consistently pretty good PPV seller.

I’m skeptical about the 300k buys. It always seems to be 300k unless it’s Joshua. Either the same 300,000 buy every PPV because they don’t know the alternatives or it’s a catch all respectable number to cover the fact that it’s much less and rather more know the alternatives. It’s like when Hearn says that the Saturday Fight Nights are getting great viewing figures when often it’s less than 100k

Let’s just say there’s 200k-300k hardcore fans, that are willing to pay for anythingz

[margaret thatcher]

where do uk ppv numbers come from? i dont mean which dudes report the numbers, but what is the actual source

the whyte - pov ppv was pretty so so tbh- metcalf vs cheese was really good but nothing else was. the uzbek card was pretty uncompetitive despite the stacked talent

[Coco]

I hope Cheeseman get paid well in these fights, it's him who saves the show in risky fights down the card which pays for the top of the bill.

[high tower 1]

It’s a joke. Eddie is cash grabbing. And if Whyte thinks he should get ppv headliners he’s delusional.

Ppv should be for the one off huge fights.

How is he delusional? Both fights with Povetkin have done c.300k buys from most reports which is enough for him, Matchroom and Sky to consider him to be a PPV fighter (in good fights).

I know the price points are higher in the US but there have been several recently that have done c.100k buys from a population 5 times the size of ours and the people involved have seemingly been happy with the results.

I don’t disagree that PPVs should be saved for big ones (and I really dislike the current line up for the May 1st show) but whether we like or not, Whyte is a consistently pretty good PPV seller.

If every half decent fight is on PPV then it will do well.

Two mid level heavyweights shouldn’t be ppv. It’s not fair on sky subscribers and just a cash grab.

[Boxing Prospect]

Perhaps I’m in the minority but I really enjoyed the Whyte PPV show and I was fine paying £20 for it.

The Cheeseman/Metcalf fight was class, I enjoyed both the Wardley/Molina (unexpectedly competitive) fight and the McKinson/Kongo fight (a good tricky fight) and I was looking forward to see how good Campbell Hatton was.

The main event was always going to be PPV given how the first fight sold and the way it finished but it was a shame how weak Povetkin looked.

It was certainly wasn’t a PPV that I wished I hadn’t paid for the following day.

I am glad you enjoyed it and of course everyone has a different view on these things.
There isn’t a wrong and right.

I just feel the UK customers aren’t getting a good deal vs many other regions.

Unless I’m missing something it’s not like Uzbekistan are frequently getting really good shows. There are meant to be c.10,000 fans at tonight’s show which also goes some way to financing a few of the good fights.

I have far more of an issue with the May 1st PPV as I think only one of the fights they’ve announced so far is competitive. They’re meant to be announcing another couple of fights so hopefully it gets better.

Which other regions do you think are getting a good deal compared to us? I’m not saying we have a good deal in the U.K. but I’d much rather pay £20 for the Whyte/Povetkin show than $50 for Ruiz/Arreola.

Japan and Mexico don't really do PPV, so they probably get a better deal (the big fights in Japan are typically on free to air, their more notable domestic bouts are either on subscription services or tape delay).

UK fans aren't treat the worse, always seems like the Aussie and Canadians get a rough deal, but the problem is the sheer number of B grade PPV's that don't cut the mustard and the downgrading of the typical Sky TV show. They used to feature good fights regularly, and the occasional world title fight, but now the standard sky card is... Poor

[maverick23]

I am glad you enjoyed it and of course everyone has a different view on these things.
There isn’t a wrong and right.

I just feel the UK customers aren’t getting a good deal vs many other regions.

Unless I’m missing something it’s not like Uzbekistan are frequently getting really good shows. There are meant to be c.10,000 fans at tonight’s show which also goes some way to financing a few of the good fights.

I have far more of an issue with the May 1st PPV as I think only one of the fights they’ve announced so far is competitive. They’re meant to be announcing another couple of fights so hopefully it gets better.

Which other regions do you think are getting a good deal compared to us? I’m not saying we have a good deal in the U.K. but I’d much rather pay £20 for the Whyte/Povetkin show than $50 for Ruiz/Arreola.

Japan and Mexico don't really do PPV, so they probably get a better deal (the big fights in Japan are typically on free to air, their more notable domestic bouts are either on subscription services or tape delay).

UK fans aren't treat the worse, always seems like the Aussie and Canadians get a rough deal, but the problem is the sheer number of B grade PPV's that don't cut the mustard and the downgrading of the typical Sky TV show. They used to feature good fights regularly, and the occasional world title fight, but now the standard sky card is... Poor

I agree about Japanese boxing. Whilst there might not be PPVs in Mexico, I’d argue that there isn’t much top level boxing held in Mexico either as the vast bulk of top Mexican fighters fight in the States. But if they can still get all of the US fights at good times without PPV then good for them.

I think your comments on Sky Sports are a bit revisionist. We tend to only back and think of the great fights and shows from back in the day but there was a lot of crap too.

I didn’t think the quality of Sky Sports shows were good in 2019 but I quite enjoyed most of the stuff following the pandemic and each of their shows this year have been really enjoyable I think - especially compared to BT.

Do you think you’ll be 3 regular Sky Sports shows this year have been poor?

As I said before I didn’t have any issue with the Whyte vs Povetkin show being PpV. I would have preferred one more good undercard fight but I also appreciate they only had 500 people there and probably spent at least £250k on the logistics of moving it to a different country on a few weeks notice.

I fully agree though that the May 1st show shouldn’t be PpV as 3 of the 4 fights are one sided and Del Boy vs Parker is just a decent fight.

[Boxing Prospect]

Unless I’m missing something it’s not like Uzbekistan are frequently getting really good shows. There are meant to be c.10,000 fans at tonight’s show which also goes some way to financing a few of the good fights.

I have far more of an issue with the May 1st PPV as I think only one of the fights they’ve announced so far is competitive. They’re meant to be announcing another couple of fights so hopefully it gets better.

Which other regions do you think are getting a good deal compared to us? I’m not saying we have a good deal in the U.K. but I’d much rather pay £20 for the Whyte/Povetkin show than $50 for Ruiz/Arreola.

Japan and Mexico don't really do PPV, so they probably get a better deal (the big fights in Japan are typically on free to air, their more notable domestic bouts are either on subscription services or tape delay).

UK fans aren't treat the worse, always seems like the Aussie and Canadians get a rough deal, but the problem is the sheer number of B grade PPV's that don't cut the mustard and the downgrading of the typical Sky TV show. They used to feature good fights regularly, and the occasional world title fight, but now the standard sky card is... Poor

I agree about Japanese boxing. Whilst there might not be PPVs in Mexico, I’d argue that there isn’t much top level boxing held in Mexico either as the vast bulk of top Mexican fighters fight in the States. But if they can still get all of the US fights at good times without PPV then good for them.

I think your comments on Sky Sports are a bit revisionist. We tend to only back and think of the great fights and shows from back in the day but there was a lot of crap too.

I didn’t think the quality of Sky Sports shows were good in 2019 but I quite enjoyed most of the stuff following the pandemic and each of their shows this year have been really enjoyable I think - especially compared to BT.

Do you think you’ll be 3 regular Sky Sports shows this year have been poor?

As I said before I didn’t have any issue with the Whyte vs Povetkin show being PpV. I would have preferred one more good undercard fight but I also appreciate they only had 500 people there and probably spent at least £250k on the logistics of moving it to a different country on a few weeks notice.

I fully agree though that the May 1st show shouldn’t be PpV as 3 of the 4 fights are one sided and Del Boy vs Parker is just a decent fight.

ESPN Boxeo pretty much cover all fights for the entire Latin American market, so it's. It just Mexican domestic fights they are getting. The fights they get range from UK, US, Japan, Latin America. They get it VERY nice.

As for this year's sky cards.
Okolie vs Glowacki certainly wasn't a good show overall, not dire but not something I'd bend over backwards to watch if I was a casual fan (Okolie winning was a good story to end the event on, but overall... Eh)

Warrington vs Lara show I wasn't looking forward to and it surprised me. The B sides were hungry and it was a show that ended up over delivering. In a big way.

Avanesyan vs Kelly should be the standard level of show we should be expecting IMO. On paper a few good fights. Very solid card.

The April 10th is, on paper, very "eh" if I'm being honest.

And it's true there probably is some revisionism, but that's what's going to happen when, as fans it feels like we are paying more for less. Wasn't that long ago Sky were getting US cards to compliment their domestic coverage. Now we have more Sky PPV's along with DAZN, BT Sport and FITE TV to cover the sport. It feels like the cost of following the sport has increased whilst the quality... Hasn't.

[maverick23]

Japan and Mexico don't really do PPV, so they probably get a better deal (the big fights in Japan are typically on free to air, their more notable domestic bouts are either on subscription services or tape delay).

UK fans aren't treat the worse, always seems like the Aussie and Canadians get a rough deal, but the problem is the sheer number of B grade PPV's that don't cut the mustard and the downgrading of the typical Sky TV show. They used to feature good fights regularly, and the occasional world title fight, but now the standard sky card is... Poor

I agree about Japanese boxing. Whilst there might not be PPVs in Mexico, I’d argue that there isn’t much top level boxing held in Mexico either as the vast bulk of top Mexican fighters fight in the States. But if they can still get all of the US fights at good times without PPV then good for them.

I think your comments on Sky Sports are a bit revisionist. We tend to only back and think of the great fights and shows from back in the day but there was a lot of crap too.

I didn’t think the quality of Sky Sports shows were good in 2019 but I quite enjoyed most of the stuff following the pandemic and each of their shows this year have been really enjoyable I think - especially compared to BT.

Do you think you’ll be 3 regular Sky Sports shows this year have been poor?

As I said before I didn’t have any issue with the Whyte vs Povetkin show being PpV. I would have preferred one more good undercard fight but I also appreciate they only had 500 people there and probably spent at least £250k on the logistics of moving it to a different country on a few weeks notice.

I fully agree though that the May 1st show shouldn’t be PpV as 3 of the 4 fights are one sided and Del Boy vs Parker is just a decent fight.

ESPN Boxeo pretty much cover all fights for the entire Latin American market, so it's. It just Mexican domestic fights they are getting. The fights they get range from UK, US, Japan, Latin America. They get it VERY nice.

As for this year's sky cards.
Okolie vs Glowacki certainly wasn't a good show overall, not dire but not something I'd bend over backwards to watch if I was a casual fan (Okolie winning was a good story to end the event on, but overall... Eh)

Warrington vs Lara show I wasn't looking forward to and it surprised me. The B sides were hungry and it was a show that ended up over delivering. In a big way.

Avanesyan vs Kelly should be the standard level of show we should be expecting IMO. On paper a few good fights. Very solid card.

The April 10th is, on paper, very "eh" if I'm being honest.

And it's true there probably is some revisionism, but that's what's going to happen when, as fans it feels like we are paying more for less. Wasn't that long ago Sky were getting US cards to compliment their domestic coverage. Now we have more Sky PPV's along with DAZN, BT Sport and FITE TV to cover the sport. It feels like the cost of following the sport has increased whilst the quality... Hasn't.

That’s great for Mexican fans. Have they ever had PPVs over there?

I thought the Okolie show was fairly good (whilst Okolie won comfortably the general consensus was that it was a good fight beforehand), I really enjoyed the Billam-Smith fight and I didn’t mind the Fowler fight either.

The other 2 shows I thought were really good with several well matched fights at a good level.

I agree the April 10th isn’t anything to get too excited about.

I take your point about paying more for things now compared to 10/20 years ago but that’s the same for all kinds of entertainment. It used to be be that if you liked movies and wanted to watch them legally then just get Sky Movies and you’re sorted. Now it’s Netflix, Amazon, Disney, Apple TV and others.

Sky Sports are certainly showing less than they have in the past (due to not getting US shows) but the volume of PPVs probably hasn’t changed too much (may have increased by 1 per year I would have thought). Khan/Prescott was (surely that’s worse the bulk of what we’ve had recently), early career Groves/Degale was for the British title (with a poor undercard), several soso Khan world title fights, Haye vs Ruiz/Harrison (I went to both as I was a pretty big Haye fan but the undercards were shite bar the unexpectedly good Groves/Anderson fight).

I pay for both Sky and BT as well subscribe to DAZN. Value for money wise I’d say the best by a long way is DAZN at the moment but I’d say this year I’m getting far more value out of my Sky Sports subscription than BT.

[mickey1975]

Parker-Del as a main event at twenty quid is reaching new depths.

[maverick23]

Parker-Del as a main event at twenty quid is reaching new depths.

Fully agree. The current show isn’t PPV worthy.