Tyson Fury vs. Anthony Joshua - 2020 OLD thread

[Ruthless-RKO]

ya, i mean im not denying wilders power, but he hasnt stopped anyone who aj wouldnt and its simply not true that he's one shot flattened guys every fight

I think it’s more the way he’s stopped them..

[margaret thatcher]

ya, i mean im not denying wilders power, but he hasnt stopped anyone who aj wouldnt and its simply not true that he's one shot flattened guys every fight

I think it’s more the way he’s stopped them..

josh has layed out plenty of guys too, totally ktfo whyte, ktfo molina, ko'd pov and pulev just as heavy as wilder ko'd ortiz or washington. and i mean, can you imagine how brutally he would ktfo a guy like artur szpilka? sure, some guys went the distance, but wilders been the distance too. sure , some guys were stopped on their feet, but same goes for wilder.


btw, still no one has come even close to destroying kev johnson like aj did. guy like dubs couldnt even put him down, hrg etc never came close to a stoppage. aj wrecked him almost in the very first round

[gregregegg]

I think wilders power has a lot to do with how hard he is willing to swing regularly, he is obviously powerfull and fast twitch as fornicate but more the type of shots that land... If AJ got that reckless and swung 100% power bombs i do think his shots would spark out any human in the world too. Wilders freak gift as much as anything might not be the power but is the ability to fight reckless and/or load up on bombs and not get tired or KO'd himself, thats why i think he avoided top level so much.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Broadcasters seeking legal assurances that Daniel Kinahan isn't involved in Fury v Joshua fight

Sources say such a decision is a hammer blow to Kinahan, who is thought to be very much still involved in arranging the massive fight in the background.

Broadcasters bidding to show the Tyson Fury vs Anthony Joshua bout are seeking legal assurances that mob boss Daniel Kinahan is no longer involved, it has emerged.

The Star has exclusively claimed that bosses at top broadcasting companies have made it known that they will be seeking written assurances from organisers that the mobster (43) is not involved in the multi-million dollar fight - that could happen as early as July.

But sources say such a decision is a hammer blow to Kinahan, who is thought to be very much still involved in arranging the massive fight in the background.

And they added that this potentially means that the bout, which is set to be the biggest in British boxing history, may not even go ahead.

“Kinahan was the man who brokered this. He got Eddie Hearn and allegedly to talk about it, and he was the one putting up the money,” a source said.

“Without that, this fight is potentially dead in the water. This decision by broadcasters is a major one,” they added.

It is understood broadcasters are deeply concerned about the mob boss’s involvement in the fight - which was first highlighted by Irish media such as this paper.

Last year our award winning campaign calling for a boycott of the fight so long as Kinahan is involved, went international - and ultimately forced the power-hungry mob boss, who is holed up in Dubai, back into the shadows.

The campaign came after Fury came out and personally thanked Kinahan for arranging the fight in an unprecedented social media post in June of last year.

The resulting backlash meant that mob boss Kinahan was forced to step down from his role - at least publicly.

But since publicity for the massive fight has only increased - and as recently as this week, top boxing promoter Eddie Hearn has muted that it could take place in London’s Wembley Stadium - or even Saudi Arabia.

"There’s been a bit talk of Wembley which is difficult, but if we got a 100,000 capacity, which the Government are working towards… they’re working on having the European Championships here, which is a huge event, and they want it to be at full capacity. So if we had full capacity in July, Wembley could come back into it,” he said.

It is understood top broadcasters such as BT Sport and Sky Sports are all vying for the rights to show the fight - even though it remains up in the air as to whether it will actually happen.

But it is understood the involvement of Kinahan has deeply shaken some - and they will be seeking written assurances that the mob boss is not involved in the fight.

“This will be the biggest fight in boxing history and everyone wants to show it, regardless of the publicity that came before,” a source said.

“But the powers that be have realised that the involvement of Kinahan here is toxic, and so they are seeking assurances that he’s not involved anymore in writing.”

Sources say the decision comes after massive campaigns like ours forced Kinahan to publicly step back from his role as Tyson Fury’s advisor - and allegedly his involvement in arranging the fight.

Instead, legendary promoter Bob Arum stated that he had taken over the reins from Kinahan.

Sources say egotistical mobster Kinahan spent at least €10M to try and whitewash his image into that of a legitimate businessman and a powerhouse in world boxing.

Now sources say he remains actively involved in boxing, but operates in the background, advising multiple well-known names on a weekly basis.

But Arum (88), a former prosecutor, previously described Kinahan as “the man” and said that although he got the boot last year, both he and Fury still admire the Dublin-born gang boss.

"This will eliminate a lot of confusion. "We’ve talked with Dan [Daniel Kinahan], who Tyson and I both love and admire and respect, and he understands that it's best the negotiations on Tyson’s side be handled that way.

“Both Tyson and I have each discussed this with Dan [Kinahan] and he is amenable and satisfied and wished us luck. He only wants the best for Tyson Fury,” he claimed.

Sources say gardai are sceptical however that Kinahan won’t be highly involved in world boxing - given the fact that he still advises many MTK Global fighters.

Instead they see it as the criminal being forced into taking the backseat - as his egotistical plan to be centre stage, failed miserably.

In a 2018 High Court hearing Daniel Kinahan was named by the Garda Criminal Assets Bureau as a senior figure in organised crime on an international scale.

Gardai have also named his cartel as the Kinahan Organised Crime Group, a gang that is said to be responsible for 16 feud murders since the end of 2015.

In a statement issued to the Irish Independent earlier this year a spokesperson said Kinahan is a “proud Irishman”, has no convictions and should be considered “innocent until proven guilty”.

[danconnollyeire]

ya, i mean im not denying wilders power, but he hasnt stopped anyone who aj wouldnt and its simply not true that he's one shot flattened guys every fight

I think it’s more the way he’s stopped them..

josh has layed out plenty of guys too, totally ktfo whyte, ktfo molina, ko'd pov and pulev just as heavy as wilder ko'd ortiz or washington. and i mean, can you imagine how brutally he would ktfo a guy like artur szpilka? sure, some guys went the distance, but wilders been the distance too. sure , some guys were stopped on their feet, but same goes for wilder.


btw, still no one has come even close to destroying kev johnson like aj did. guy like dubs couldnt even put him down, hrg etc never came close to a stoppage. aj wrecked him almost in the very first round

lol this is utter bs. I'm Wilder's biggest critic (can't stand the man) but his one punch power is way ahead of AJ. Aj stops people with an accumulation of shots

[margaret thatcher]

I think it’s more the way he’s stopped them..

josh has layed out plenty of guys too, totally ktfo whyte, ktfo molina, ko'd pov and pulev just as heavy as wilder ko'd ortiz or washington. and i mean, can you imagine how brutally he would ktfo a guy like artur szpilka? sure, some guys went the distance, but wilders been the distance too. sure , some guys were stopped on their feet, but same goes for wilder.


btw, still no one has come even close to destroying kev johnson like aj did. guy like dubs couldnt even put him down, hrg etc never came close to a stoppage. aj wrecked him almost in the very first round

lol this is utter bs. I'm Wilder's biggest critic (can't stand the man) but his one punch power is way ahead of AJ. Aj stops people with an accumulation of shots

kinda like wilder-duhaupas, wilder-arreola, wilder-stiverne 1, wilder-ortiz 1, wilder-molina etc then, or did you not actually see these fights

reminds me of when another poster told me that if a guy gets hit by 1 wilder right hand then it's a ko. obviously hasnt watched the above. obv wilder has huge power but ppl just seem to ignore that even he needs an accumulation pretty regularly. he landed frightneing, flush loaded up power shots continously on duhaupas for 11 rounds and couldnt even drop him, josh has never beaten a guy up that thorughly without being able to at least score a kd, same goes for stiverne 1

[Ruthless-RKO]

Hearn Says Venue Deal is Getting Closer

Eddie Hearn, promoter for IBF, IBO, WBO, WBA heavyweight champion Anthony Joshua, says his boxer has now entered full training for an expected full division unification with WBC champion Tyson Fury.

The British promoter indicates that a venue announcement is very close - for a date in July.

Both boxers are on board, as each man signed their respective portion of the agreement.

The agreement calls for two fights, with both expected to take place this year.

The biggest issues in finalizing the fight are getting close to being resolved - the date and the location.

"We can't wait. AJ has started his training camp and Fury has been training very hard. They all want the fight," Hearn told reporters.

"They are going to be presented with a few proposals on where to do the fight and everyone has to agree on where to do it. There is no other fight out there that comes close for either guy. July is the date. Really I think end of next week it will be done. Talks have progressed extremely well and we're closing in on securing the venue and there will be an announcement in due course. We're at the stage where it's probably best not to say much more than that."

Several locations are in play, with the Middle East bring the frontrunner according to experts.

Joshua was in action back in December in the UK, when he knocked out mandatory challenger Kubrat Pulev in nine rounds.

Fury has been away much longer, with his last fight taking place in February 2020 - when he stopped Deontay Wilder in seven rounds to capture the WBC title at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.

[Ruthless-RKO]

TBH, I wish Hearn just shut up, until he actually has something to announce.

[cormack]

TBH, I wish Hearn just shut up, until he actually has something to announce.

never gonna happen !

[maverick23]

TBH, I wish Hearn just shut up, until he actually has something to announce.

never gonna happen !

He’s a promoter and if he gets asked about it of course he’s going to talk about it.

[mickey1975]

July 3rd. Tyson ready now.

[Jimmy2020]

July 3rd. Tyson ready now.

That Tyson"s ready now gives Joshua a bigger chance than I'd otherwise give him. I've said Fury throughout but I've got a concern he'll have gone stale by July.

[mickey1975]

July 3rd. Tyson ready now.

That Tyson"s ready now gives Joshua a bigger chance than I'd otherwise give him. I've said Fury throughout but I've got a concern he'll have gone stale by July.

He looks very lean.

[Jimmy2020]

July 3rd. Tyson ready now.

That Tyson"s ready now gives Joshua a bigger chance than I'd otherwise give him. I've said Fury throughout but I've got a concern he'll have gone stale by July.

He looks very lean.

Maybe too lean. Unless he's getting plenty of wild boar spunk in his diet he needs to be close to 19 stone to be strong enough to handle Joshua.

[maverick23]

That Tyson"s ready now gives Joshua a bigger chance than I'd otherwise give him. I've said Fury throughout but I've got a concern he'll have gone stale by July.

He looks very lean.

Maybe too lean. Unless he's getting plenty of wild boar spunk in his diet he needs to be close to 19 stone to be strong enough to handle Joshua.

Agree on this. One of my pals saw him running the other day and commented how slim he looked. Clearly been training hard but may be overdoing it.

[Jimmy2020]

That and I've heard him mention the keto diet from time to time too. That's great for fat housewives and does strip weight off you well but it is not at all optimal for a professional sportsperson.

[Cyclops]

July 3rd. Tyson ready now.

That Tyson"s ready now gives Joshua a bigger chance than I'd otherwise give him. I've said Fury throughout but I've got a concern he'll have gone stale by July.

He looks very lean.

Well, this is basically an insanely long camp for him, because if he's as lean as people are saying then he won't be working to get weight off: he can just concentrate on boxing and gameplans because his cardio will be on point snd he can eat more in training camp: do what he took the piss out of Klitschko for doing when he said he was "small" and actually put weight on in camp, as opposed to Fury who usually lost weight in camp.

I saw a recent photo and he did indeed look quite skinny. That''s OK because, if it's July, he's got plenty of time to put some size on that frame.

[mickey1975]

He is that lean. I saw a picture of him training today. Parker looked lean as well.

[mickey1975]

Surely if he’s got his nutrition and S & C guys with him, he’ll be right. He was very vocal about feeling too light in the first Wilder fight. He seemed to know his own body.

[brilo33]

i really cant see this fight happening this year, i would of loved to have seen tyson have a tune up before it still ,

[maverick23]

Surely if he’s got his nutrition and S & C guys with him, he’ll be right. He was very vocal about feeling too light in the first Wilder fight. He seemed to know his own body.

I don’t remember Tyson being too vocal about it but John certainly was and was proven to be correct in the rematch. I just hope Tyson isn’t overdoing it.

[mickey1975]

Surely if he’s got his nutrition and S & C guys with him, he’ll be right. He was very vocal about feeling too light in the first Wilder fight. He seemed to know his own body.

I don’t remember Tyson being too vocal about it but John certainly was and was proven to be correct in the rematch. I just hope Tyson isn’t overdoing it.

He was, on the ITV documentary, before the fight, sat outside his rented house. Was getting a bit annoyed.

[rio]

When the fight happens the world will see the difference between a man made fighter and a natural born fighter.
1 has shown time and time again in the ring there is zero quit in him no matter how badly he was hurt.
The other has shown he does have a limit, and when he hits that limit he quits. Hes done it once, he will do it again.

[dr_devious]

Fury is looking borderline gaunt on some recent photos. He's got a compulsive personality so it may be that he's swapped drinking, eating excessively for training excessively. Lets hope not.

[Cyclops]

Fury is looking borderline gaunt on some recent photos. He's got a compulsive personality so it may be that he's swapped drinking, eating excessively for training excessively. Lets hope not.

His team will get this in line when the actual camp starts. That Fury isn't fat and out of shape (like he's been pretending to be) before camp starts is a very bad omen for Joshua's chances when the fight finally happens. He's going to be up against a Fury that has outboxed Wlad and outmanned Wilder at the peak of his fitness and that is going to be a nightmare opponent to beat.

People have asked me how I think it will go and I think Fury will outbox AJ to a points defeat in the first fight and then stop him in the second. But, if the opportunity presents itself, I think Fury will stop him in the first fight.

All the doubt is in the AJ camp, in my opinion. If they believed in AJ they would have figured out the Wilder fight, finances and all, a long time before the two Fury-Wilder fights. They know AJ isn't that good. It seems obvious to me. Otherwise they would have have made the Wilder fight much sooner.