Tyson Fury vs. Anthony Joshua - 2020 OLD thread

[Boxerbeetle]

Fury is looking borderline gaunt on some recent photos. He's got a compulsive personality so it may be that he's swapped drinking, eating excessively for training excessively. Lets hope not.

His team will get this in line when the actual camp starts. That Fury isn't fat and out of shape (like he's been pretending to be) before camp starts is a very bad omen for Joshua's chances when the fight finally happens. He's going to be up against a Fury that has outboxed Wlad and outmanned Wilder at the peak of his fitness and that is going to be a nightmare opponent to beat.

People have asked me how I think it will go and I think Fury will outbox AJ to a points defeat in the first fight and then stop him in the second. But, if the opportunity presents itself, I think Fury will stop him in the first fight.

All the doubt is in the AJ camp, in my opinion. If they believed in AJ they would have figured out the Wilder fight, finances and all, a long time before the two Fury-Wilder fights. They know AJ isn't that good. It seems obvious to me. Otherwise they would have have made the Wilder fight much sooner.

Mmm, I dunno. Seemed to me like it was Wilder who didn’t want the Joshua fight, and he thought Fury would be a much easier proposition due to his comparative lack of punching power, which is why that one got made pretty easily. Wilder was hardly known for seeking out top opposition, his resume is absolute garbage, his team tried to keep him away from threats as much as possible. Quite rightly too, he’s sh!t apart from a huge right hand.

[margaret thatcher]

bermane stiverne and dom breazeale are 2 of the top 3 opponents wilders beaten. when the insta offer came he hadnt even fought breazeale yet either lol. think about that. its funny how ppl suddenly acted like he was the guy to seek out challenges, not aj


funny how easy it is to convince ppl with instagram offers

perhaps not surprisingly , some of the people most enthusastic about that offer bought the floppy egg weight glove theory too

[margaret thatcher]

seems like the fight between aj and the guy who spanked wilder aint gonna be nearly as hard to make

[gregregegg]

so whos feeling this will happen in the next 6 months?? me being negative nancy just cant see it all coming together, soooo much money, but so many sub plots.
I said it after AJ beat pulev, Aj should fight usyk and fury should fight someone in march then get moving... happy to be proven wrong though.

but...Its still sooo tricky to make.
-AJs team must be tempted to extended it, burn fury out who has been out of the ring for a long time and mabey suffering from an indefinite camp vibe, not great for a guy whos mental health apears to have its moments.
-Furys team is a bit too mob boss, so broadcasters want to remove key players (probably the key player).
-Bob arum is sureeeely too old to actually be involved in this, if so it will take him 9 hours to explain the contract because he speaks at 7 words per min...
-Mr eddie wont be able to resist belittling frank which will have him throwing the toys out of the pram when he realises him and BT sports might get cut out.
-WBO will have to pull there nuts out at some point and strip AJ (or make him fight usyk), When that happens will this fight happen? or will AJ try mop up the WBO and then have this fight....

This is 2017 brook vs khan ramped up... logic and dollars dont always beat ego and greed...

[mickey1975]

so whos feeling this will happen in the next 6 months?? me being negative nancy just cant see it all coming together, soooo much money, but so many sub plots.
I said it after AJ beat pulev, Aj should fight usyk and fury should fight someone in march then get moving... happy to be proven wrong though.

but...Its still sooo tricky to make.
-AJs team must be tempted to extended it, burn fury out who has been out of the ring for a long time and mabey suffering from an indefinite camp vibe, not great for a guy whos mental health apears to have its moments.
-Furys team is a bit too mob boss, so broadcasters want to remove key players (probably the key player).
-Bob arum is sureeeely too old to actually be involved in this, if so it will take him 9 hours to explain the contract because he speaks at 7 words per min...
-Mr eddie wont be able to resist belittling frank which will have him throwing the toys out of the pram when he realises him and BT sports might get cut out.
-WBO will have to pull there nuts out at some point and strip AJ (or make him fight usyk), When that happens will this fight happen? or will AJ try mop up the WBO and then have this fight....

This is 2017 brook vs khan ramped up... logic and dollars dont always beat ego and greed...

March?

[nmhz]

According to Hearn, they are presenting 4 venue offers to everyone over the weekend. If one of those venues is accepted, then game on

[Ruthless-RKO]

According to Hearn, they are presenting 4 venue offers to everyone over the weekend. If one of those venues is accepted, then game on

Apparently they all in Middle East I think.

[Twinkle Toes]

There is too much negativity from camp Fury, Tyson, his dad, Warren have all been very negative. At least Arum appears to want it.

It seems it's mainly been down to Hearn to find the venue with the massive site fee while camp Fury sit around moaning their arses off about it, picking holes in it all.

I wouldn't be surprised if Fury doesn't agree to any of the venue's that are supposedly going to be offered this weekend.

[mickey1975]

Big John seems very unhappy. Tyson looks very sharp in body sparring. Playing with Joe Parker and like a man with a child with Tye Mitchell.

[handsofstone]

There is too much negativity from camp Fury, Tyson, his dad, Warren have all been very negative. At least Arum appears to want it.

It seems it's mainly been down to Hearn to find the venue with the massive site fee while camp Fury sit around moaning their arses off about it, picking holes in it all.

I wouldn't be surprised if Fury doesn't agree to any of the venue's that are supposedly going to be offered this weekend.

This

[Boxerbeetle]

I just can’t understand people who say Joshua is the one who doesn’t want it. Like him or not, AJ has been moved much much faster in his career than Wilder or Fury ever were, and has never shown any signs of ducking a challenge. Fury, on the other hand, has pulled out of a bunch of fights and goes through long periods of inactivity, and Wilder’s resume is a joke because his team knew he’d probably lose to the first decent guy he faced.

AJ is the people’s champ

[Noxy]

This fight has to happen. Was there ever a more obvious match.

[mickey1975]

Maybe Eddie just does a LOT more interviews. They all say the same thing. Eddie just says it more often. I wonder why AJ’s management don’t do interviews?

[dbf]

It seems to make sense from Warren and Arum's point of view to let Hearn do all the work, I mean why not? If he does all the leg work and lands a gargantuan site fee why get in his way? He clearly has the relationship with at least the Saudi's to make that happen.

As for Tyson, I think he's very serious about this fight, I wouldn't say he's playing mind games at the moment but he knows his unpredicatably will know doubt be confusing Hearn and team AJ. For example Hearn doesn't think he wants it etc.

[mickey1975]

They both want it.

[Jimmy2020]

It seems to make sense from Warren and Arum's point of view to let Hearn do all the work, I mean why not? If he does all the leg work and lands a gargantuan site fee why get in his way? He clearly has the relationship with at least the Saudi's to make that happen.

As for Tyson, I think he's very serious about this fight, I wouldn't say he's playing mind games at the moment but he knows his unpredicatably will know doubt be confusing Hearn and team AJ. For example Hearn doesn't think he wants it etc.

This is his defining fight. Whoever wins is the best of their generation. That will mean a lot to both but I'd say way more to Fury.

Joshua is a Johnny come lately to boxing, I doubt he loves the sport or knows too much about it beyond his own involvement. Fury is a lifer.

[maverick23]

Maybe Eddie just does a LOT more interviews. They all say the same thing. Eddie just says it more often. I wonder why AJ’s management don’t do interviews?

They don’t really all say the same thing. A couple of months back Arum was saying they’d got a site a sorted and Eddie was saying it was 2 weeks away. FW’s not saying much because he won’t be involved much.

Eddie seems to be doing an awful lot of the donkey work with him meeting potential site partners this week.

AJ’s management will leave the site stuff to Eddie as he’ll be their promotional conduit for the fight. They don’t really need to do interviews as Eddie’s doing enough for all of them so they can focus on commercial deals.

Are the senior guys at MTK doing many interviews discussing the fight? I haven’t seen any yet but could have easily missed them. I know Big John lost his mum recently but I’m not quite sure why he’s gone quite bitter about the fight.

[margaret thatcher]

I just can’t understand people who say Joshua is the one who doesn’t want it. Like him or not, AJ has been moved much much faster in his career than Wilder or Fury ever were, and has never shown any signs of ducking a challenge. Fury, on the other hand, has pulled out of a bunch of fights and goes through long periods of inactivity, and Wilder’s resume is a joke because his team knew he’d probably lose to the first decent guy he faced.

AJ is the people’s champ

agree, aj was moved very fast and ambitiously and has consistenly fought credible opposition. 2.5 years into his career he'd already ko'd Whyte, won the title from martin, and then ko'd big dom, who wilder didnt fight until deontay was a 10 year pro. funny thing is even then it was one of his very best opponents. imagine the reaction if aj were to fight jason gavern or sefer seferi next, cuz these are guys fury and wilder fought after being pro similar/longer than josh has now

funny how an instagram offer etc , from a guy who was moved at a snails pace, convinced so many people that josh was scared or some sh!t. jesus christ, the same people prob bought into the floppy gloves and weighted sombrero nonsense too

[mickey1975]

Maybe Eddie just does a LOT more interviews. They all say the same thing. Eddie just says it more often. I wonder why AJ’s management don’t do interviews?

They don’t really all say the same thing. A couple of months back Arum was saying they’d got a site a sorted and Eddie was saying it was 2 weeks away. FW’s not saying much because he won’t be involved much.

Eddie seems to be doing an awful lot of the donkey work with him meeting potential site partners this week.

AJ’s management will leave the site stuff to Eddie as he’ll be their promotional conduit for the fight. They don’t really need to do interviews as Eddie’s doing enough for all of them so they can focus on commercial deals.

Are the senior guys at MTK doing many interviews discussing the fight? I haven’t seen any yet but could have easily missed them. I know Big John lost his mum recently but I’m not quite sure why he’s gone quite bitter about the fight.

Nobody knows who MTK are, they only know the frontmen. Big John is probably sick of all the talking and no date.

[mickey1975]

I just can’t understand people who say Joshua is the one who doesn’t want it. Like him or not, AJ has been moved much much faster in his career than Wilder or Fury ever were, and has never shown any signs of ducking a challenge. Fury, on the other hand, has pulled out of a bunch of fights and goes through long periods of inactivity, and Wilder’s resume is a joke because his team knew he’d probably lose to the first decent guy he faced.

AJ is the people’s champ

agree, aj was moved very fast and ambitiously and has consistenly fought credible opposition. 2.5 years into his career he'd already ko'd Whyte, won the title from martin, and then ko'd big dom, who wilder didnt fight until deontay was a 10 year pro. funny thing is even then it was one of his very best opponents. imagine the reaction if aj were to fight jason gavern or sefer seferi next, cuz these are guys fury and wilder fought after being pro similar/longer than josh has now

funny how an instagram offer etc , from a guy who was moved at a snails pace, convinced so many people that josh was scared or some sh!t. jesus christ, the same people prob bought into the floppy gloves and weighted sombrero nonsense too

Imagine how popular AJ would be if he’d actually won the belts in a stadium in Germany against a 10 year champion then reclaimed them in two fights nobody else wanted in America.

[maverick23]

Maybe Eddie just does a LOT more interviews. They all say the same thing. Eddie just says it more often. I wonder why AJ’s management don’t do interviews?

They don’t really all say the same thing. A couple of months back Arum was saying they’d got a site a sorted and Eddie was saying it was 2 weeks away. FW’s not saying much because he won’t be involved much.

Eddie seems to be doing an awful lot of the donkey work with him meeting potential site partners this week.

AJ’s management will leave the site stuff to Eddie as he’ll be their promotional conduit for the fight. They don’t really need to do interviews as Eddie’s doing enough for all of them so they can focus on commercial deals.

Are the senior guys at MTK doing many interviews discussing the fight? I haven’t seen any yet but could have easily missed them. I know Big John lost his mum recently but I’m not quite sure why he’s gone quite bitter about the fight.

Nobody knows who MTK are, they only know the frontmen. Big John is probably sick of all the talking and no date.

MTK are more well known than 258. There are enough promoters involved for them to be left to do the talking I think.

I listened to Big John’s boxing social interview earlier - he seems really angry in general at the moment. Sounded like he disagrees with how Covid restrictions are working out and now he’s just having a go at everything. Shame as he usually talks a lot of sense.

[Jimmy2020]

I listened to Big John’s boxing social interview earlier - he seems really angry in general at the moment. Sounded like he disagrees with how Covid restrictions are working out and now he’s just having a go at everything. Shame as he usually talks a lot of sense.

Anecdotally I can think of lots of people I know who have lost the plot over the last 12 months or so. Some it hasn't surprised me. Others I thought were stronger.

[coneye]

Seems to be negativity flying around ,,, They both think there worth and want a colosal amount of money ,, would'nt be at all suprised if they can't raise the money and its called off ,,, Doubt taking a pay cut would enter there minds

[margaret thatcher]

just thinking back to the huge fights in boxing -- they almost always go through these phases where there is negativity, ppl thinking not gonna happen ,etc.

im still optimistic

[mickey1975]

I listened to Big John’s boxing social interview earlier - he seems really angry in general at the moment. Sounded like he disagrees with how Covid restrictions are working out and now he’s just having a go at everything. Shame as he usually talks a lot of sense.

Anecdotally I can think of lots of people I know who have lost the plot over the last 12 months or so. Some it hasn't surprised me. Others I thought were stronger.

Big John looked shaken by the loss of his mother.