chrisjs1985 wrote: ↑13 Apr 2021, 11:20
Jose Medel is not a hard sell. Watch him fight. Gave Jofre hell in the first fight, KO'd Harada, and gave him a tough title fight which he wobbled Harada a few times. Even post-prime dropped Rose, lost a close-ish one, got a draw with Chucho Castillo. In his prime reigned for 8 years as Mexican bantamweight champ (that's probably equivalent or greater than being an 8 year champ today), beat Toluco Lopez, one of the biggest names and best Mexican fighters of that time. Also took a huge scalp when he beat Jesus Pimentel. Edmundo Esparza (a fine fighter who beat Harada also), Ignacio Pina, very good Mexican fighters of the day. Guys like Dwight Hawkins, Herman Marquez, Manny Elias, Danny Kid, Eloy Sanchez, Johnny Sarduy, Ray Asis, Manuel Barrios many of them perennial contenders and fine fighters. Evan Armstrong, also world flyweight champ Walter McGownan. Then you've got his Japanese bouts, where he became an icon. Not just Harada, but he beat Sadao Yaoita, Mitsunori Seki, Katsuo Saito etc;
Medel was a fine fighter and would be a multiple times champion in almost any era. His resume is stacked and his skills top notch.
elmersalsa wrote: ↑14 Apr 2021, 08:35
How about this quartet in order?
31. Tom Sharkey
32. Len Harvey
33. Del Flanagan
34. Jock McAvoy
Any objections?
Very nice fighters, but there is no way Sharkey belongs ahead of Quarry, Folley or Machen. Likewise Del Flanagan. He fought in a good era but does not belong ahead of Gil Turner or Armando Muniz. And I would be going with Jack Chase and Bennie Briscoe before McAvoy too. Just my opinion.
elmersalsa wrote: ↑14 Apr 2021, 08:35
How about this quartet in order?
31. Tom Sharkey
32. Len Harvey
33. Del Flanagan
34. Jock McAvoy
Any objections?
Very nice fighters, but there is no way Sharkey belongs ahead of Quarry, Folley or Machen. Likewise Del Flanagan. He fought in a good era but does not belong ahead of Gil Turner or Armando Muniz. And I would be going with Jack Chase and Bennie Briscoe before McAvoy too. Just my opinion.
elmersalsa wrote: ↑14 Apr 2021, 08:35
How about this quartet in order?
31. Tom Sharkey
32. Len Harvey
33. Del Flanagan
34. Jock McAvoy
Any objections?
Very nice fighters, but there is no way Sharkey belongs ahead of Quarry, Folley or Machen. Likewise Del Flanagan. He fought in a good era but does not belong ahead of Gil Turner or Armando Muniz. And I would be going with Jack Chase and Bennie Briscoe before McAvoy too. Just my opinion.
Well, so far we got:
1. Sam Langford
2. Charley Burley
3. Packey McFarland
4. Holman Williams
5. Jimmy Bivins
6. "Peerless" Jem Driscoll
7. Lloyd Marshall
8. Peter Jackson
9. Joe Jeannette
10. Billy Graham
11. Newsboy Brown
12. Billy Petrolle
13. Harry Wills
14. Sam McVaey
15. Tommy Gibbons
16. Owen Moran
17. Les Darcy
18. Pedro Montañez
19. Cocoa Kid
20. Jimmy Leto
21. Young Stribbling
22. Lew Tendler
23. Kid Norfolk
24. Mike Gibbons
25. George Godfrey
26. Lew Feldman
27. Eddie Booker
28. Georgie Abrams
29. Dave Sands
30. Dave Shade
31. Willie Joyce
Well, so far we got:
1. Sam Langford
2. Charley Burley
3. Packey McFarland
4. Holman Williams
5. Jimmy Bivins
6. "Peerless" Jem Driscoll
7. Lloyd Marshall
8. Peter Jackson
9. Joe Jeannette
10. Billy Graham
11. Newsboy Brown
12. Billy Petrolle
13. Harry Wills
14. Sam McVaey
15. Tommy Gibbons
16. Owen Moran
17. Les Darcy
18. Pedro Montañez
19. Cocoa Kid
20. Jimmy Leto
21. Young Stribbling
22. Lew Tendler
23. Kid Norfolk
24. Mike Gibbons
25. George Godfrey
26. Lew Feldman
27. Eddie Booker
28. Georgie Abrams
29. Dave Sands
30. Dave Shade
31. Willie Joyce
32. Len Harvey
Well, so far we got:
1. Sam Langford
2. Charley Burley
3. Packey McFarland
4. Holman Williams
5. Jimmy Bivins
6. "Peerless" Jem Driscoll
7. Lloyd Marshall
8. Peter Jackson
9. Joe Jeannette
10. Billy Graham
11. Newsboy Brown
12. Billy Petrolle
13. Harry Wills
14. Sam McVaey
15. Tommy Gibbons
16. Owen Moran
17. Les Darcy
18. Pedro Montañez
19. Cocoa Kid
20. Jimmy Leto
21. Young Stribbling
22. Lew Tendler
23. Kid Norfolk
24. Mike Gibbons
25. George Godfrey
26. Lew Feldman
27. Eddie Booker
28. Georgie Abrams
29. Dave Sands
30. Dave Shade
31. Willie Joyce
32. Len Harvey
33. Gil Turner
There is a reason why several people have disagreed with you on this and nobody agrees. He won several no-decisions over great fighters. I know that you don't get it (like everyone else does) but that has to count for something.
elmersalsa wrote: ↑16 Apr 2021, 19:34
Well, so far we got:
1. Sam Langford
2. Charley Burley
3. Packey McFarland
4. Holman Williams
5. Jimmy Bivins
6. "Peerless" Jem Driscoll
7. Lloyd Marshall
8. Peter Jackson
9. Joe Jeannette
10. Billy Graham
11. Newsboy Brown
12. Billy Petrolle
13. Harry Wills
14. Sam McVaey
15. Tommy Gibbons
16. Owen Moran
17. Les Darcy
18. Pedro Montañez
19. Cocoa Kid
20. Jimmy Leto
21. Young Stribbling
22. Lew Tendler
23. Kid Norfolk
24. Mike Gibbons
25. George Godfrey
26. Lew Feldman
27. Eddie Booker
28. Georgie Abrams
29. Dave Sands
30. Dave Shade
31. Willie Joyce
32. Len Harvey
33. Gil Turner
17 more to go!
TBH I had never heard of Leto before..for all I knew he could have been Jaret's brother
Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑18 Apr 2021, 13:38
There is a reason why several people have disagreed with you on this and nobody agrees. He won several no-decisions over great fighters. I know that you don't get it (like everyone else does) but that has to count for something.
Even Tommy would have laughed at that.