Billy Joe Saunders has 0 chance of getting a decision win VS Canelo

[Jake Savage]

BJS has got to know that with all the money on the table, and all the boxing politics, he has no chance of winning a decision VS Canelo, the sport's biggest draw. Saunders could outbox Canelo all 12 rounds, and he'd still lose a decision. I've been watching boxing 30+ years and in all honesty, this is a sport that has more bad decisions than good decisions. All decisions are politically motivated, has nothing to do with who actually won the fight.

In a fair fight, I would consider putting money on Saunders, as he is a brilliant technician and could outbox Canelo. However, he has to know he has no chance of the judges giving him a decision even if he earns it. Realistically, the only way BJS wins is by KO and considering he is not a puncher the chance of him winning is extremely unlikely.

In terms of Gambling, I'd recommend Canelo on decision in this fight. A smart gambler also considers the political biases heading into a fight like this.

[H8Usernames]

Actually its impossible to predict. Here are a few scenarios for you:

1. Hearns relationship with Canelo is souring and funds find their way into the judges pockets. BJS wins and becomes Britains new superstar fighter.

2. Canelo Alvarez has already lost his 0 so getting another loss is no big deal. Finding soft or marketable opponents isnt that easy however. BJS is handed a gift decision to set up the rematch. Ala Pac vs Bradley I.

3. Judge A and B get disappointed with their bonus and decide to teach everyone a lesson.

4. Judge A fills out the wrong column while watching the fight with one eye while having the other on his solitaire game. Judge B finds God and Jesus the day before the fight.

Never say never.

[IKSRTFO]

BJS has got to know that with all the money on the table, and all the boxing politics, he has no chance of winning a decision VS Canelo, the sport's biggest draw. Saunders could outbox Canelo all 12 rounds, and he'd still lose a decision. I've been watching boxing 30+ years and in all honesty, this is a sport that has more bad decisions than good decisions. All decisions are politically motivated, has nothing to do with who actually won the fight.

In a fair fight, I would consider putting money on Saunders, as he is a brilliant technician and could outbox Canelo. However, he has to know he has no chance of the judges giving him a decision even if he earns it. Realistically, the only way BJS wins is by KO and considering he is not a puncher the chance of him winning is extremely unlikely.

In terms of Gambling, I'd recommend Canelo on decision in this fight. A smart gambler also considers the political biases heading into a fight like this.

BJS does not have to worry about that because he couldn't outbox Canelo on his best and Canelo's worst day.

[margaret thatcher]

canelo levels above

[candyslim]

BJS has got to know that with all the money on the table, and all the boxing politics, he has no chance of winning a decision VS Canelo, the sport's biggest draw. Saunders could outbox Canelo all 12 rounds, and he'd still lose a decision. I've been watching boxing 30+ years and in all honesty, this is a sport that has more bad decisions than good decisions. All decisions are politically motivated, has nothing to do with who actually won the fight.

In a fair fight, I would consider putting money on Saunders, as he is a brilliant technician and could outbox Canelo. However, he has to know he has no chance of the judges giving him a decision even if he earns it. Realistically, the only way BJS wins is by KO and considering he is not a puncher the chance of him winning is extremely unlikely.

In terms of Gambling, I'd recommend Canelo on decision in this fight. A smart gambler also considers the political biases heading into a fight like this.

I agree with much of that but I don't see Saunders winning on a level playing field. He is, or at least can be, a brilliant technician as you say, but then so is Canelo and in terms of power there's no comparison. I will be rooting for Billy-Joe though.

[Jake Savage]

BJS has got to know that with all the money on the table, and all the boxing politics, he has no chance of winning a decision VS Canelo, the sport's biggest draw. Saunders could outbox Canelo all 12 rounds, and he'd still lose a decision. I've been watching boxing 30+ years and in all honesty, this is a sport that has more bad decisions than good decisions. All decisions are politically motivated, has nothing to do with who actually won the fight.

In a fair fight, I would consider putting money on Saunders, as he is a brilliant technician and could outbox Canelo. However, he has to know he has no chance of the judges giving him a decision even if he earns it. Realistically, the only way BJS wins is by KO and considering he is not a puncher the chance of him winning is extremely unlikely.

In terms of Gambling, I'd recommend Canelo on decision in this fight. A smart gambler also considers the political biases heading into a fight like this.

I agree with much of that but I don't see Saunders winning on a level playing field. He is, or at least can be, a brilliant technician as you say, but then so is Canelo and in terms of power there's no comparison. I will be rooting for Billy-Joe though.

[KiwiRider]

GGG in the first fight came close on two of the cards.
So if BJS wins a few more rounds he should be given the nod.
Problem is, I'm not confident he has the work rate to consistently out point Canelo. Its always been just enough to win rounds. Any close ones will likely go to Canelo.

[Enlightened-One]

When all things are considered equal, the fighter that makes their opponent miss and then makes them pay [effective defence], usually outscores a fighter that solely employs effective aggression, due to the former requiring greater skill to execute than the latter.

However, if a fighter is constantly on the move and they’re either not letting their hands go, or they’re only countering with gentle pitty-pat punches, then this will be deemed as time-wasting by the judges, and result in them losing rounds.

The judges are there to score a “fight”. Even skilful elusive boxers have to “fight”.

And if they don’t, they’re forfeiting rounds to the fighter trying to make the “fight” (the man landing the cleaner shots, controlling the tempo and also pressing the action), regardless as to whether they connect more or not.

Billy Joe Saunders won’t win any rounds against Canelo if he’s constantly on his bike, regardless as to whether he is connecting more than the Mexican. Boxing isn’t a game of tag.

He has to make Canelo miss and then make him pay, whilst also landing meaningful punches.

So if this fight defies my personal expectations, by going the distance, then it’s likely that the judges’ scorecards will be deemed controversial in nature, simply because mainstream casuals (or members of the anti-Canelo brigade) will inevitably score the fight solely based on punch stats - they won't consider other criteria.

[gilgamesh]

Saunders would need at least 10 rounds and a knockdown to get the decision. And I don't mean 10 close rounds. I mean 10 clear as f*cking day, a blind man could score 'em rounds.

He's not good enough to do that so he won't win.

[Thomastearns]

It's up to Billy Joe to demonstrate how much pride he's got left.

Against Clenelo it's all too easy to doff your cap and take a slap and go down.

Our friend Saul doesn't want any real fights and won't tolerate them either. So GGG must wait as must any other dangerous opponents.

Saunders was picked to do the decent British thing and go down without seriously ruffling the 'champions' feathers.

For the good of the sport Billy Joe should thoroughly outbox Clenelo to lay bare for all to see the high level corruption that is shamelessly rampant in the sport.

The judges won't turn on Clenelo, and gross incompetence (against the apparently usual fixing of EVERY Clenelo fight probably since he turned pro) is a lot to hope for.

Even those judging legends, Adalaide Byrd and Carlos Sucre can't arrange that.

Remember that even the so-called 'incompetent' scoring ALWAYS goes in favour of the 'a side' fighter'.

Strange that.
Must be a mathematical anomaly.

As the OP said, if you want to gamble on this fight, then you will have to take into consideration all of the factors.

I consider boxing to be a fixed sport where the casual gambler has little chance of beating the bookies.

You usually have to know more than they do, and can any of us honestly say that?

Perhaps the best fights to take a punt on are the ones where unexpected knockouts could occur?

This usually means heavyweight territory eg Tyson v Douglas, Joshua v Ruiz etc.

Sometimes there might be a lot of money put on the crowd favourite and this might force the bookmakers to readjust the odds to avoid heavy losses just in case they get it wrong.

Analyst Richard Dwyer has a whole channel devoted to this. Even with his great experience I'm not too sure just how successful he has been.

https://youtube.com/c/RichardDwyerEsq

[IKSRTFO]

Y'all funny. BJS couldn't confidently beat Glasgov, but ya'll say has a chance to unofficially win enough rounds against Canelo? Not the BJS we saw on Saturday.

[margaret thatcher]

Y'all funny. BJS couldn't confidently beat Glasgov, but ya'll say has a chance to unofficially win enough rounds against Canelo? Not the BJS we saw on Saturday.

lol da fuk my man

glasgov was a hw who hasnt fought in years

bjs didnt fight saturday

are you talking about joe smith fighting vlasov? them white bois do look alike i guess

[IKSRTFO]

Y'all funny. BJS couldn't confidently beat Glasgov, but ya'll say has a chance to unofficially win enough rounds against Canelo? Not the BJS we saw on Saturday.

lol da fuk my man

glasgov was a hw who hasnt fought in years

bjs didnt fight saturday

are you talking about joe smith fighting vlasov? them white bois do look alike i guess

Oh $h!t. I did confuse the two.

[gilgamesh]

Joe Smith and Saunders have nothing in common whatsoever

They're not from the same country. They don't fight the same. They don't look the same.

[margaret thatcher]

they're both white, close enough

[NateJR]

Good thing BJS will be outmatched, so all this controversy stuff will be out the window. I expect BJS to do well for the first few rounds. But he'll fade mid fight and take a brutal beating the second half. Canelo TKO 10.

[skanksta]

IF they were the same size and strength then a motivated BJS can outbox anyone on a good day.
In reality, Canelo is twice as strong, has a way better chin and power, while BJS isn't even a banger @ MW.

[IKSRTFO]

Joe Smith and Saunders have nothing in common whatsoever

They're not from the same country. They don't fight the same. They don't look the same.

They do have one thing in common. They'll both lose to Canelo.

[gilgamesh]

Joe Smith and Saunders have nothing in common whatsoever

They're not from the same country. They don't fight the same. They don't look the same.

They do have one thing in common. They'll both lose to Canelo.

That'd be about it, and they're both Boxers.

[DrDuke]

Also, they are both Joes to some extent.

[JimJim2009]

Saunders would need at least 10 rounds and a knockdown to get the decision. And I don't mean 10 close rounds. I mean 10 clear as f*cking day, a blind man could score 'em rounds.

He's not good enough to do that so he won't win.

That is probably spot on

[Enlightened-One]

Billy Joe Saunders says he took less money for the Canelo fight, because was told the event wouldn’t have crowds, or only a small one, resulting in minimal gate receipt revenue (as per iFL TV).

Eddie Hearn also told the media, which reflected one of Saunders’ demands, that there’d be at least one British judge officiating the fight.

Instead, none of the judges/officials are British and a 70,000 crowd will be attending the fight.

Saunders told iFL TV that he’s been misled by Eddie Hearn.

Whilst there’s two sides to every story, Eddie Hearn definitely promised to ensure there’d be at least one British judge, but apparently he’s failed to deliver.

I personally doubt the fight will go the distance anyway, but if it does and Saunders is very competitive, do you think the judges’ scorecards will be neutral and fair?

[Thomastearns]

According to this recent interview BJS already feels he's getting screwed over.

Apparently there was some understanding that there would be one US judge, one British judge and one Mexican judge as agreed by Eddie Hearn.

However it now seems the cheating Canelo cartel have already arranged to have all British officials barred from the fight!!

Just how does Canelo keep getting away with this crap??

The only plus seems to be the presence of Tyson Fury in the Saunders camp. If anyone knows how these things work, it's Fury.



Unacceptable, it's a p**** move, BJS

[margaret thatcher]

judge nationality is hugely overrated when it comes to crookedness, it's who the a -side is , not where the judge is from that matters

a british judge is probably no more likely to be fair to saunders than a mexican or american one would be

[candyslim]

I often wonder if you were a knowledgeable and scrupulously impartial judge, who would not and could not be influenced by anyone or anything, and you score in favour of the deserving winner each and every time, just how long you could expect to keep getting appointments?

What? Cynical? Who ... me?