Jermall Charlo vs. Juan Macias Montiel - June 19, 2021

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Who wins?

Poll ended at 19 Jun 2021, 19:27

Charlo - Decision
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4%
Charlo - T/KO
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92%
DRAW
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Montiell - T/KO
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No votes
Montiell - Decision
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4%
 
Total votes: 25

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Jermall Charlo vs. Juan Macias Montiel - June 19, 2021

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Jermall Charlo-Juan Macias Montiel To Headline Showtime Telecast June 19 in Houston

Jermall Charlo will make another optional title defense June 19.

Premier Boxing Champions and Showtime announced Thursday that Charlo will meet Mexico’s Juan Macias Montiel in a “Showtime Championship Boxing” main event that night at a venue to be determined in Houston, Charlo’s hometown. Mexico’s Montiel is the WBC’s fourth-rated middleweight contender for Charlo’s championship.

Charlo-Montiel was one of seven world title fights Showtime and PBC announced as part of a four-month slate of fights that’ll begin May 15 and conclude September 11.

The 30-year-old Charlo (31-0, 22 KOs) produced perhaps the most impressive victory over his career in his last fight. The former IBF junior middleweight champion convincingly beat Ukraine’s Sergiy Derevyanchenko (13-3, 10 KOs) in their 12-round fight for Charlo’s title September 26 at Mohegan Sun Arena in Uncasville, Connecticut.

Derevyanchenko gave Gennadiy Golovkin the most grueling fight of his career in his previous appearance, but Charlo handled him easier than Golovkin or Daniel Jacobs. Golovkin narrowly won a unanimous decision versus Derevyanchenko in October 2019 at Madison Square Garden, 11 months after Jacobs edged him by split decision in their 12-rounder at Madison Square Garden’s Hulu Theater.

Charlo’s critics questioned his level of opposition in middleweight matches before he beat Derevyanchenko. Charlo continued to state after defeating Derevyanchenko that he wants career-defining fights against Canelo Alvarez or Golovkin, but he’ll remain busy against another underdog while waiting for such significant fights to materialize.

Montiel (22-4-2, 22 KOs) knocked out former contender James Kirkland in the first round of his most recent bout, December 26 at Shrine Auditorium & Expo Center in Los Angeles. The 27-year-old Montiel dropped Kirkland three times before their scheduled 10-rounder was stopped just one minute and 56 seconds into it.

In the bout before he destroyed Kirkland (34-3, 30 KOs), Montiel fought to a 10-round split draw with Huge Centeno Jr. in December 2019 at Toyota Arena in Ontario, California. Charlo knocked out Centeno (27-3-1, 14 KOs, 1 NC), of Oxnard, California, in the second round of their April 2018 bout at Barclays Center in Brooklyn.


Former WBO junior middleweight champ Jaime Munguia (36-0, 29 KOs) also knocked out Montiel in the second round of their February 2017 battle in Cuautitlan Izcalli, Mexico. Munguia is the WBC’s number one contender for Charlo’s title.
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Re: Jermall Charlo vs. Juan Macias Montiel - June 19, 2021

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Another poor opponent for Jermall.

There really is nothing for him at 160..

All the best are on DAZN.

Meanwhile Jermell is looking at 154’s first ever undisputed champion.
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Pretty boring crap
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only #haterz would critcize a fight vs this young, determined, hugo centeno level opponent
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Re: Jermall Charlo vs. Juan Macias Montiel - June 19, 2021

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Juan who?
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LOL
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Re: Jermall Charlo vs. Juan Macias Montiel - June 19, 2021

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I saw Juan Macias Montiel‘s meaningless first round stoppage over the completely shot James Kirkland, but other than that, I know absolutely nothing about him.
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Re: Jermall Charlo vs. Juan Macias Montiel - June 19, 2021

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Poor fight. Charlo talks about unifying and then does nothing about it.
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maverick23 wrote: 16 Apr 2021, 05:03 Poor fight. Charlo talks about unifying and then does nothing about it.
And they talk about being self promoted.. but everyone gotta go through Al.
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Poor fight but if Charlo is happy with the money he is making by fighting once/year vs stiffs then it's a good business for him.
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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 16 Apr 2021, 05:10
maverick23 wrote: 16 Apr 2021, 05:03 Poor fight. Charlo talks about unifying and then does nothing about it.
And they talk about being self promoted.. but everyone gotta go through Al.
Hearn said that he sent to Charlo a good offer to fight Andrade on Fox but Charlo was like "Crickets Only!" lol
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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 16 Apr 2021, 05:10
maverick23 wrote: 16 Apr 2021, 05:03 Poor fight. Charlo talks about unifying and then does nothing about it.
And they talk about being self promoted.. but everyone gotta go through Al.
Al Haymon is Jermall Charlo’s manager.

Here’s my understanding of the legal definitions/obligations of a promoter and manager:

Manager = the fighter’s primary negotiating agent and representative who holds a “fiduciary duty” to his fighter, which means the manager must act in the fighter’s best interest

Promoter = the producer of the boxing event, not the representative of any of the participants. The promoter is entitled to maximize his own profit from each fight promotion, because they're supposed to be the party that takes the financial risk of the fight promotion

Jermall Charlo has never once attempted to hide the fact that people need to go through Al Haymon to orchestrate fights.

I don't mind, but you've even posted articles of Jermall clearly stating that he “[doesn't] make the fights,” notes Charlo. “I just live the life and let them hate on me.”

Whatever you may think about Jermall Charlo [I’m not his biggest fan either], it’ not as if any of us are unfamiliar with the fact that Al Haymon has overall control of the PBC.
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Enlightened-One wrote: 16 Apr 2021, 05:59
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 16 Apr 2021, 05:10
maverick23 wrote: 16 Apr 2021, 05:03 Poor fight. Charlo talks about unifying and then does nothing about it.
And they talk about being self promoted.. but everyone gotta go through Al.
Al Haymon is Jermall Charlo’s manager.

Here’s my understanding of the legal definitions/obligations of a promoter and manager:

Manager = the fighter’s primary negotiating agent and representative who holds a “fiduciary duty” to his fighter, which means the manager must act in the fighter’s best interest

Promoter = the producer of the boxing event, not the representative of any of the participants. The promoter is entitled to maximize his own profit from each fight promotion, because they're supposed to be the party that takes the financial risk of the fight promotion

Jermall Charlo has never once attempted to hide the fact that people need to go through Al Haymon to orchestrate fights.

I don't mind, but you've even posted articles of Jermall clearly stating that he “[doesn't] make the fights,” notes Charlo. “I just live the life and let them hate on me.”

Whatever you may think about Jermall Charlo [I’m not his biggest fan either], it’ not as if any of us are unfamiliar with the fact that Al Haymon has overall control of the PBC.
I think my main issue is, they expect everyone else to 'make an offer', but they never seem to do themselves, as far as I know..
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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 16 Apr 2021, 06:52
Enlightened-One wrote: 16 Apr 2021, 05:59
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 16 Apr 2021, 05:10

And they talk about being self promoted.. but everyone gotta go through Al.
Al Haymon is Jermall Charlo’s manager.

Here’s my understanding of the legal definitions/obligations of a promoter and manager:

Manager = the fighter’s primary negotiating agent and representative who holds a “fiduciary duty” to his fighter, which means the manager must act in the fighter’s best interest

Promoter = the producer of the boxing event, not the representative of any of the participants. The promoter is entitled to maximize his own profit from each fight promotion, because they're supposed to be the party that takes the financial risk of the fight promotion

Jermall Charlo has never once attempted to hide the fact that people need to go through Al Haymon to orchestrate fights.

I don't mind, but you've even posted articles of Jermall clearly stating that he “[doesn't] make the fights,” notes Charlo. “I just live the life and let them hate on me.”

Whatever you may think about Jermall Charlo [I’m not his biggest fan either], it’ not as if any of us are unfamiliar with the fact that Al Haymon has overall control of the PBC.
I think my main issue is, they expect everyone else to 'make an offer', but they never seem to do themselves, as far as I know..
I have the same issue with Jermall Charlo, Deontay Wilder, Luis Ortiz and Gennadiy Golovkin.

We also had the same situation with the Pacquiao-Mayweather debacle, with Bob Arum pretending to the media he was negotiating terms, without even contacting the "OTHER SIDE".

Some fighters (or at least their teams) feel everyone has to make THEM offers, not the other way around.

And to be fair, the situation seems more prevalent with the PBC, closely followed by Top Rank. They both seem solely focussed with either orchestrating in-house bouts or working almost exclusively with free agents.

And it doesn't really matter if said fighters were on the A or the B side either.

They just want everyone else to make the first move.
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Haymon is a manager
Legally they are self promoted

In reality haymon controls everything

It is really simple
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Optional defense so they arent even using the mandatory excuse

I can almost guarantee hed make more $ fighting a guy like Andrade for unification. Or itd be nice if he started calling ggg out. Instead its boxing in the garbage era we live in
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Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: 16 Apr 2021, 09:47 Haymon is a manager
Legally they are self promoted

In reality haymon controls everything

It is really simple
I agree with everything you say, but technically-speaking. It's Al Haymon's duty, in his role as Charlo's manager, to negotiate terms of bouts for his fighter. That's literally his job (to be in control of Charlo's career).
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Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: 16 Apr 2021, 09:54 Optional defense so they arent even using the mandatory excuse

I can almost guarantee hed make more $ fighting a guy like Andrade for unification. Or itd be nice if he started calling ggg out. Instead its boxing in the garbage era we live in
Business rivalries (PBC/Showtime/Fox vs. Matchroom/DAZN) makes cross-network bouts very difficult to make.
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Enlightened-One wrote: 16 Apr 2021, 10:02
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: 16 Apr 2021, 09:47 Haymon is a manager
Legally they are self promoted

In reality haymon controls everything

It is really simple
I agree with everything you say, but technically-speaking. It's Al Haymon's duty, in his role as Charlo's manager, to negotiate terms of bouts for his fighter. That's literally his job (to be in control of Charlo's career).
It is and it is one of the things that has made his pbc kind of murky with his fiduciary duty to fighters

For instance some fighters have got big offers from other promoters they had to turn down... was it turned down because it was not in THEIR best interest or not in PBC's best interest?
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Enlightened-One wrote: 16 Apr 2021, 10:04
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: 16 Apr 2021, 09:54 Optional defense so they arent even using the mandatory excuse

I can almost guarantee hed make more $ fighting a guy like Andrade for unification. Or itd be nice if he started calling ggg out. Instead its boxing in the garbage era we live in
Business rivalries (PBC/Showtime/Fox vs. Matchroom/DAZN) makes cross-network bouts very difficult to make.
We have seen fights happen on other networks and cross promotions. It usually means less money for each promotion entity but NOT the fighters. When you have non commercial entities like Andrade dazn would jump at an offer to fight charlo
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Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: 16 Apr 2021, 10:53
Enlightened-One wrote: 16 Apr 2021, 10:04
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: 16 Apr 2021, 09:54 Optional defense so they arent even using the mandatory excuse

I can almost guarantee hed make more $ fighting a guy like Andrade for unification. Or itd be nice if he started calling ggg out. Instead its boxing in the garbage era we live in
Business rivalries (PBC/Showtime/Fox vs. Matchroom/DAZN) makes cross-network bouts very difficult to make.
We have seen fights happen on other networks and cross promotions. It usually means less money for each promotion entity but NOT the fighters. When you have non commercial entities like Andrade dazn would jump at an offer to fight charlo
Business rivalries are less about the fighters and more about the head honchos that run the sport (the men in charge at either side of the street).

Unfortunately, fans tend to vent their anger/frustration and automatically assign blame to the fighters, rather than the real culprits - the anonymous middle-aged silent men wearing suits, lurking in the background (those pulling the strings).
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Enlightened-One wrote: 16 Apr 2021, 10:58
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: 16 Apr 2021, 10:53
Enlightened-One wrote: 16 Apr 2021, 10:04
Business rivalries (PBC/Showtime/Fox vs. Matchroom/DAZN) makes cross-network bouts very difficult to make.
We have seen fights happen on other networks and cross promotions. It usually means less money for each promotion entity but NOT the fighters. When you have non commercial entities like Andrade dazn would jump at an offer to fight charlo
Business rivalries are less about the fighters and more about the head honchos that run the sport (the men in charge at either side of the street).

Unfortunately, fans tend to vent their anger/frustration and automatically assign blame to the fighters, rather than the real culprits - the anonymous middle-aged silent men wearing suits, lurking in the background (those pulling the strings).
Thats true. It ends up being a question again of who al haymon serves

If charlo makes more fighting andrade and would gain a belt fighting andrade but al nixes it because it means less $ for PBC then fiduciary duty was breached

It speaks to AL's legal acumen that his fighters dont sue him. Smart guy - finds investors despite other investors losing every penny previously and his fighters love him
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easy night for charlo , you will see when him lets those hands go ,4ko
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Wow, that is a step-up...
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JxhDel. wrote: 16 Apr 2021, 18:37 Wow, that is a step-up...
For Montiell?
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