Tyson Fury vs. Anthony Joshua - 2020 OLD thread

[coghaugen11]

I just want to see a boxing match. The other stuff I couldn’t care less about. I’d much, much rather see Canelo-Ward, Crawford-Spence or Loma-Lopez II though.

[Boxing Prospect]

Interesting that Covid19 cases are rising in Saudi and decreasing here. On a per Capita basis the 7 day averages are very similar but trending in different directions. Wonder how things will look come July

[Boxing Prospect]

Wow..

So DAZN will not be involved,

Not in the UK or US but surely in all of their other markets, Europe, Canada, Japan etc

Joshua vs Ruiz II was on WOWOW in Japan, can't remember about the Pulev fight though

[Boxing Prospect]

AJ dealt huge blow ahead of superfight

The biggest fight in the history of British boxing is yet to get going, but Eddie Hearn has cast doubt on Rob McCracken being in Joshua's corner against Tyson Fury.

Hearn has earmarked July 24 as the date for Joshua's unification fight with Fury, but this will clash with McCracken’s Olympic duties.

"Rob is a gaffer - I look at him like Sir Alex Ferguson. Great manager, great trainer, great experience," Joshua said to Sky Sports. "Me and Rob conquered the international stage as amateurs. Then I turned pro and me and Rob conquered the world."

Hearn acknowledged that the situation is far from ideal for all the parties involved.

But the Matchroom boss is adamant that it is very much business as usual for the WBA, WBO and IBF heavyweight champion.

"I know Rob takes his position very seriously," Hearn said. “He loves the job and the kids so it’s not ideal but we can’t move it a couple of weeks either side. Someone is spending a lot of money so we have to go whenever they say."

"We haven’t finalised an exact date, July 24 is the rough date but it may leak into early August but no later than that. It’s impossible to schedule anything without clashing with something," he added. "I know AJ and Rob have been talking accordingly so I am sure they will work it out."

AJ is so particular with guidance and instruction. Without McCracken, I can't see him winning at all

McCraken can sure leave Tokyo for a few days to at least be in the corner. GB boxing have numerous coaches and staff and Rob missing a couple of days wouldn't be a huge sacrifice. No way he's not in the corner for Joshua's fight.

Clayton/Fernandez don't have anywhere near the level of experience required to corner AJ in the biggest fight of his life. Its more likely Tony Sims will be back in the corner.

Japan currently had a 14 day isolation period for all arrivals. So he could leave but would have to spend 2 weeks isolated before rejoining the team. Could they afford that?

[Ruthless-RKO]

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[Ruthless-RKO]

Hearn: Fury vs. Joshua is 100% Happening This Summer

The Tyson Fury-Anthony Joshua fight it “100 percent happening” this summer according to Eddie Hearn.

The fight for the undisputed world heavyweight champion is expected to take place in Saudia Arabia, probably Jeddah, on either July 24, 31 or August 7, after a site fee was agreed with backer in the country.

As part of the agreement, the Saudi backers get to choose the date and location of the fight.

Hearn says that matters have continued to progress this week with more contracts exchanged between the backers and promoters Matchroom and Top Rank, who are representing Joshua and Fury respectively.

“Only some more exchanged final drafts, more calls tonight,” Hearn stated this week.

“It’s as done as it can be. It’s non-stop at the moment, but it’s happening, it’s 100 percent happening.”

Hearn previously confirmed to BS.com that the fight will take place at an indoor arena, with a live gate of up to 20,000 people, while Bob Arum confirmed to BS.com that Saudi Arabia will be the location.

The fight will take place at around midnight local time, meaning a peak-time audience in the UK and afternoon time slot in the United States. It will be on pay-per-view with both Sky Sports and BT Sports making the fight available in the UK and ESPN in the US.

[JamesPhilips]

Is it me or did it seem easier to make fights years ago?

[Ruthless-RKO]

Is it me or did it seem easier to make fights years ago?

Try over 10 years.

With social media, there's always this small talk.. Back then, promoters didn;t talk much about negotiations and instagram offers etc, apartfrom maybe a few fights. Once it was announced, that's it, you knew it was happening.

[JamesPhilips]

Is it me or did it seem easier to make fights years ago?

Try over 10 years.

With social media, there's always this small talk.. Back then, promoters didn;t talk much about negotiations and instagram offers etc, apartfrom maybe a few fights. Once it was announced, that's it, you knew it was happening.

Yeah good point. We get endless chat about one tweet. Pre social media / internet you’d get only solid information.

[dbf]

AJ is so particular with guidance and instruction. Without McCracken, I can't see him winning at all

McCraken can sure leave Tokyo for a few days to at least be in the corner. GB boxing have numerous coaches and staff and Rob missing a couple of days wouldn't be a huge sacrifice. No way he's not in the corner for Joshua's fight.

Clayton/Fernandez don't have anywhere near the level of experience required to corner AJ in the biggest fight of his life. Its more likely Tony Sims will be back in the corner.

Japan currently had a 14 day isolation period for all arrivals. So he could leave but would have to spend 2 weeks isolated before rejoining the team. Could they afford that?

Are you living in Japan? Only asking as I used to live there!

[Terminator666]

Anyone reckon Fury will retire once he has fought and rematched Joshua ?

[margaret thatcher]

Anyone reckon Fury will retire once he has fought and rematched Joshua ?

that's what id expect

[Cyclops]

Anyone reckon Fury will retire once he has fought and rematched Joshua ?

that's what id expect

If he wins both, yeah. I also remember him being interviewed on Dave Allen's podcast saying he'd like to be a journeyman in the end, so I can see him coming in fat and having the odd tear up with a nobody just because he fancies a fight.

If he loses I expect him to disappear.

Can't see him fighting on against the best either way. With Fury it's either rolling the dice against the absolute best or dialling it in for a ticker. He's just not a 'clear the division out' sort of guy.

Can't see him fighting Ruiz/Usyk/Joyce if he beats AJ twice. Maybe Wilder III as a farewell, if the Bronze Dosser heels it up into a lucrative fight.

You can't rule him out losing to AJ, although I can't see it. Pre the Fury schooling, I would have backed Wilder to KO AJ. Joshua beat up on giant punchbag Breazeale for ages before he finally went over and little Takam for round after round before the ref stepped in. I personally didn't have a problem with the Takam stoppage (it was terribly one sided) but little Takam (who AJ himself referred to as 5'10, despite his billed height) took everything thrown at him. Joshua's most impressive fights were an ancient inactive Klitschko who was finally prepared to go out on his shield (and almost pulled off the upset)and an inexperienced and undersized Whyte (bollocks is he is he 6'4. Hearn is supposed to be 6'5" and he towers over Dillian, let alone AJ) who, apart from a second round buzzing, he beat from pillar to post.

I'll be interested to see Fury and AJ in the ring together after all the press conferences and head to heads. Some on here seem convinced there isn't any size difference between Wilder/Klitschko and Fury, but would do well to check out the face offs when both are wearing essentially soul-less boxing boots as the ref gives instructions before the fight, and you can see who's been wearing lifts.

It's not worth anything in particular, but in a past life, I would hunch over and make myself appear smaller and assume unthreatening stances with people to give them false confidence if I had to take them on, and then stand up straight, splay out and give them a real look at my actual size and immediately have them on the back foot. It's something I've noticed Fury do, and it's generally quite a good tactic. It definitely effects the confidence of your opponent: they thought they were against a little meek guy, and then all of a sudden they're up against a bigger more confident guy. It works.

The people that frightened me when I was younger, I remember them being big guys in the heat of the moment, but meeting them after in a period of calm, they didn't seem so big at all. I'm sure somebody smarter than me could explain it. I think Geoff Thompson and the like call it 'ballooning' and it really does make you think twice.

[Grilling Machine]

an ancient inactive Klitschko who was finally prepared to go out on his shield

Fired up by his disappointing performance that leaned so heavily on preferential judging, Fury didn't seem to fancy that version. It's debatable who fought the better Wlad, but that fight went to Joshua because Fury wasn't available.

Fury then showed bottle in facing Wilder the first time, but I won't be surprised if he retires after winning or losing to Joshua. Like you say, he's not fighting Joyce; Whyte; Usyk; Parker; Ruiz; Ortiz; Dubois; Ajagba; Makhmudov...

Several of whom are in no position to demand a shot, but we'd have respected guys of their calibre as in-between fights in recent years. If Joshua beats Fury we know he'll face one or two.

I might actually like Fury more than AJ, and I'm pretty sure we'd get along fine on everything but the historical placing of his career. Because of course he'd dislike me for criticising it when he's gone out and fought for it and I haven't. There's no getting around that. So I think the best-case scenario for me is that AJ wins and Fury does a good-loser face turn, retiring to co-commentary on DAZN. And then AJ loses to Joyce!

[Cyclops]

an ancient inactive Klitschko who was finally prepared to go out on his shield

Fired up by his disappointing performance that leaned so heavily on preferential judging, Fury didn't seem to fancy that version. It's debatable who fought the better Wlad, but that fight went to Joshua because Fury wasn't available.

Fury then showed bottle in facing Wilder the first time, but I won't be surprised if he retires after winning or losing to Joshua. Like you say, he's not fighting Joyce; Whyte; Usyk; Parker; Ruiz; Ortiz; Dubois; Ajagba; Makhmudov...

Several of whom are in no position to demand a shot, but we'd have respected guys of their calibre as in-between fights in recent years. If Joshua beats Fury we know he'll face one or two.

I might actually like Fury more than AJ, and I'm pretty sure we'd get along fine on everything but the historical placing of his career. Because of course he'd dislike me for criticising it when he's gone out and fought for it and I haven't. There's no getting around that. So I think the best-case scenario for me is that AJ wins and Fury does a good-loser face turn, retiring to co-commentary on DAZN. And then AJ loses to Joyce!

He'll never admit it, but Fury would have lost the rematch because he was a depressed coke-addled fat mess who wasn't turning up to training. He wasn't fit to fight and in the end he didn't, so his detractors never saw the in-ring downfall they wanted. Instead they got the extremely impressive come-back against Wilder, and some fun but not especially significant fights in between.

I don't think the Wladamir that AJ fought was better: I think he clearly looked much older and AJ's inexperience and being there to be hit flattered him, but it was a Wladamir was prepared to lose, and AJ was the perfect foil.

I'd love it if Joyce ended up champion! That would be so funny! I think he'll pick up a strap, anyway.

[Boxing Prospect]

McCraken can sure leave Tokyo for a few days to at least be in the corner. GB boxing have numerous coaches and staff and Rob missing a couple of days wouldn't be a huge sacrifice. No way he's not in the corner for Joshua's fight.

Clayton/Fernandez don't have anywhere near the level of experience required to corner AJ in the biggest fight of his life. Its more likely Tony Sims will be back in the corner.

Japan currently had a 14 day isolation period for all arrivals. So he could leave but would have to spend 2 weeks isolated before rejoining the team. Could they afford that?

Are you living in Japan? Only asking as I used to live there!

No, just find their boxing scene so interesting (even if their distribution of some fights is hugely frustrating...)...

Just announced a State of emergency in Tokyo, Osaka and Kyoto today, that will run until May 11th

[mickey1975]

an ancient inactive Klitschko who was finally prepared to go out on his shield

Fired up by his disappointing performance that leaned so heavily on preferential judging, Fury didn't seem to fancy that version. It's debatable who fought the better Wlad, but that fight went to Joshua because Fury wasn't available.

Fury then showed bottle in facing Wilder the first time, but I won't be surprised if he retires after winning or losing to Joshua. Like you say, he's not fighting Joyce; Whyte; Usyk; Parker; Ruiz; Ortiz; Dubois; Ajagba; Makhmudov...

Several of whom are in no position to demand a shot, but we'd have respected guys of their calibre as in-between fights in recent years. If Joshua beats Fury we know he'll face one or two.

I might actually like Fury more than AJ, and I'm pretty sure we'd get along fine on everything but the historical placing of his career. Because of course he'd dislike me for criticising it when he's gone out and fought for it and I haven't. There's no getting around that. So I think the best-case scenario for me is that AJ wins and Fury does a good-loser face turn, retiring to co-commentary on DAZN. And then AJ loses to Joyce!

He'll never admit it, but Fury would have lost the rematch because he was a depressed coke-addled fat mess who wasn't turning up to training. He wasn't fit to fight and in the end he didn't, so his detractors never saw the in-ring downfall they wanted. Instead they got the extremely impressive come-back against Wilder, and some fun but not especially significant fights in between.

I don't think the Wladamir that AJ fought was better: I think he clearly looked much older and AJ's inexperience and being there to be hit flattered him, but it was a Wladamir was prepared to lose, and AJ was the perfect foil.

I'd love it if Joyce ended up champion! That would be so funny! I think he'll pick up a strap, anyway.

Does everyone know Joyce is a few years older than both?

[Cyclops]

Fired up by his disappointing performance that leaned so heavily on preferential judging, Fury didn't seem to fancy that version. It's debatable who fought the better Wlad, but that fight went to Joshua because Fury wasn't available.

Fury then showed bottle in facing Wilder the first time, but I won't be surprised if he retires after winning or losing to Joshua. Like you say, he's not fighting Joyce; Whyte; Usyk; Parker; Ruiz; Ortiz; Dubois; Ajagba; Makhmudov...

Several of whom are in no position to demand a shot, but we'd have respected guys of their calibre as in-between fights in recent years. If Joshua beats Fury we know he'll face one or two.

I might actually like Fury more than AJ, and I'm pretty sure we'd get along fine on everything but the historical placing of his career. Because of course he'd dislike me for criticising it when he's gone out and fought for it and I haven't. There's no getting around that. So I think the best-case scenario for me is that AJ wins and Fury does a good-loser face turn, retiring to co-commentary on DAZN. And then AJ loses to Joyce!

He'll never admit it, but Fury would have lost the rematch because he was a depressed coke-addled fat mess who wasn't turning up to training. He wasn't fit to fight and in the end he didn't, so his detractors never saw the in-ring downfall they wanted. Instead they got the extremely impressive come-back against Wilder, and some fun but not especially significant fights in between.

I don't think the Wladamir that AJ fought was better: I think he clearly looked much older and AJ's inexperience and being there to be hit flattered him, but it was a Wladamir was prepared to lose, and AJ was the perfect foil.

I'd love it if Joyce ended up champion! That would be so funny! I think he'll pick up a strap, anyway.

Does everyone know Joyce is a few years older than both?

Yes Mick. I'm going to wager everyone who follows heavyweight knows Joyce is old.

[emallini]

Announce da bludclart ting

[Terminator666]

Is it me or did it seem easier to make fights years ago?

Yes- also I was watching my original recording of Tyson v Holmes and Tony tubbs. There didn’t seem to be as much fannying about with the preliminaries as nowadays. Tyson was on the way to the ring before Tubbs had even finished his ring walk

[Ruthless-RKO]

It’s confirmed the site fee Saudi will be paying is $150m+..

Madness.. just to get the fight.

It’s a record as well.

[Nightmare Roy]

It’s confirmed the site fee Saudi will be paying is $150m+..

Madness.. just to get the fight.

It’s a record as well.

They'll make that back in the titty bars and casinos in no time

[Jimmy2020]

It’s confirmed the site fee Saudi will be paying is $150m+..

Madness.. just to get the fight.

It’s a record as well.

They'll make that back in the titty bars and casinos in no time

Tbf the Saudis are making a real push to diversify. They are investigating a lot of money into halal resorts where (wealthy) Muslims from around the globe can travel to without being exposed to sinful practices.

[DrDuke]

It’s confirmed the site fee Saudi will be paying is $150m+..

Madness.. just to get the fight.

It’s a record as well.

It's a one of the biggest fights of the boxing history. It is a bout to determine the man of the important HW era, which resurrected an interest to the HW division after the long period with low competition there. Also, this fight is gonna be held in the time of the global crisis for sports, caused by the lockdowns. So, historically it's an important event in many aspects.