P4P promotions would like to lobby the commission for an allowance to face a fighter outside of the top 15 this week.
2 out of the top 15 fighters have entered the prize fighter tournament, there are 3 other champions who have already selected their defences. Leaving just 6 fighters to choose from in the top 15.
2 Ramos Sugar
3 Pep Willie
7 Arguello Alexis
8 Nelson Azumah
13 Chacon Bobby
15 Kilbane Johnny
Arguello, Ramos and Nelson took on easy competition in Jim Cheese, Troy Dorsey and Don Johnson respectively.
Kilbane is from our own stable. These two men are training partners and would never fight each other.
This has left Saddler with 2 possible opponents. Chacon decided to take on Kilbane, we offered him a shot at Saddler instead but that was declined in favour of the already agreed upon Kilbane fight. Kilbane was happy to step aside for one week and fight Chacon the next week.
P4P Promotions will not be bullied into fighting Pep until we believe we are ready, the upcoming defence is a voluntary defence not a mandatory defence but due to the prize fighter tournament, other ranked fighters already engaging in fights against poor competition we believe that the assistant commish is attempting to use his significant influence within the sim world to force our hand and we will not be forced into a fight that we don't want.
17 Sullivan Brooklyn Tommy FW is the highest available FW apart from Pep. Gomez who is ranked at 16 has his unfair advantage of being allowed to compete with his JFW ratings. We believe this to be a fair compromise from the commission given our long list of grievances against the commission. By allowing a fight between Saddler and Sullivan to take place it would show that the commission is not engaging in as much tomfoolery as we expect they are.
P4P Promotions has taken issue with the following events listed chronologically.
Week 1
Saddler vs Nelson. We accepted the fight against Nelson based on the knowledge and information that Saddler was facing Nelson at FW. After the fight we believed that Nelson had just put together a great performance to upset Saddler. Now however, with more information still coming out, we expect that shennanigans were at play. Saddler believed and was told that he would be facing a FW version of Nelson. Due to the pandemic and not wanting to put the season in jeopardy as we have seen in other sports it was agreed that only a fighter and a representative of the commission would be present at the weighin, in an effort to stop community transfer of the VID. It has since come out that the that a possible clerical error allowed a 130lb Nelson to fight in the FW weight class.
Week 3
Kilbane vs Olivares
Kilbane unknowingly faced the BW and better version of Olivares instead of the FW version we expected to face as a tough but winnable test.
Week 4
PEDs used Dick Hollywood that was ignored by the commission in week 4 when he squeaked out a draw against Saddler,
Week 5
To prove his fitness the commission forced Kilbane to spar 12 rounds and run 12 miles per day to prove he was fit enough to fight. This caused Kilbane to come in lethargic, tired and over trained. Chi himself didn't look like the fighter he had been previously either, he looked faster and stronger than ever before. Chi is trains out of the same stable as Hollywood, they have the same doctor and trainers. We suspect Chi used PEDs.
Week 6
Saddler vs Dixon. Although this was a hotly contested fight and it was close, we believe strongly that the all 3 judges were told not to score a 10-8 round for Saddler unless there was a knockdown. In round 5 Saddler beat Dixon from pillar to post but was only given a 10-9 round. 95% of the media gave a 10-8 round in round 5 to Saddler. Judge Escalona gave round 7, a close but clear Saddler round to Dixon, a round that 100% of the media scored for Saddler. Escalona has a habit of helping out the guys from the same stable as Dixon. With the deserved 10-8 round and Escalona scoring round 7 for Saddler as everyone with eyes and a brain did, Saddler would have been the winner. The WBO agreed that Saddler should have got the nod and scheduled him for the vacant title against Benny Bass.
Bass vs Armstrong.
Bass looked better than he ever had previously since switching camps to join Chi and Hollywood. However he clearly still needed the judges help. Armstrong was seen as the winner by all in attendance and all the media outlets yet somehow Bass took the W when no one thought he had won.
Week 7
Saddler vs Bass. Saddler had a small cut caused by a punch from Bass. The doctor had a quick look at the cut and stopped the fight. We here at P4P Promotions have seen paper cuts that were worse than this cut. While Saddler did paw at his eye after he was cut, that was simply to see if it was sweat or blood. As anyone who has been cut during a fight knows, until you check it you're never 100% sure if its blood or sweat. The doctor did not ask Saddler if he could still see through his eye or not but just put an immediate stop to the contest. We have uncovered information that proves that the doctor overseeing the fight is in fact the same doctor that is shared by Chi, Hollywood and Bass in their camp. If we had have known this going into the fight we would have petitioned the commission to remove him from the fight.
Week 8
The IBF allowed Saddler to compete for the IBF title against Attell despite the fact he was coming off a loss, such was the controversy of the Saddler vs Bass stoppage. The commission accepted the proposed fight put to them by us, Techno and the IBF with some conditions which caused Saddler to come in without much time to rest during camp. While we believe the commission was well intentioned and wanted to be sure Saddler was up to the task coming off an upsetting loss this caused him to come in tired and feeling over trained. Saddler showed his potential by beating the undefeated Attell in a one sided fight.
Why is the above information important? Because our team of crack PI's believe they have uncovered a shocking secret. While it was public knowledge that Don Krease finally called it quits, what appears on the surface may not in fact be true. We believe Krease decided to shut shop in an effort be out of the public eye while quietly starting another camp. While it was thought of as only a coincidence that Krease's Brothers', sisters, cousins husband was the public face of Elbaum Promotions in Cleveland. Elbaum Promotions quietly went about signing some fighters they believed could have a good shot with the right management. Key signings were Chi, Hollywood, Dixon, Gomez and Bass.
At this stage we don't have anything other than circumstancial evidence that Golden Buzz Promotions, the new simboxing commissioner was an active collaborator with Krease in the new management plan. As anyone who has spent longer than a second in the simboxing world Golden Buzz has a reputation for shenanigans and tomfoolery. While the simworld believed and still does believe that Golden Buzz is acting with integrity and glitches in the sim world are just simple human error we cannot ignore the closeness between Krease and Golden Buzz nor how they often appeared to be using the same play book are they bended the rules to breaking point in the past. Will Golden Buzz's crowning shenanigan be secretly collaborating with Don Krease for the FW season to create turmoil, chaos and results that could net those who knew of a stacked deck billions in profit?
On the surface a simple human or clerical error looks to be to blame for the commission allowing Nelson to compete as a Super Featherweight against Featherweights. Golden Buzz doesn't have a long standing connection with Thatchproof Promotions. We have recently Don Kreases right hand man, Creasington Thatchroof whos work behind the scenes for Krease was a major contributer to the success of the company, immediately set up Thatchroof Promotions when he was informed that Don Krease Promotions was shutting shop for good. Thatchproof Promotions quickly signed one of the greatest Super Featherweights the world has ever seen for the FW season. Nelson had previously had some success at Featherweight but his best weight was clearly up at 130lbs and it looked like the 126lb version of Nelson could be over his head. While Krease and Golden Buzz have horseplayed the season into total chaos and unpredictability who is the greatest benefactor outside of Don Krease? His allegedly former righthand man Creasington Thatroof who has been allowed to inject Nelson with 4 glorious but unfair pounds of greatness. We have more evidence that shows in return for allowing the 130lbs version of Nelson to compete Thatchroof Promotions does much of the clerical and admin work at no cost to the Golden Buzz Commission Division. The costly and time consuming work would normally be paid for out of the commissions pocket, drastically decreasing the annual profits the commission accumulates.
So we at P4P Promotions propose to the commission to prove that they are not puppets of Don Krease and took the position up to help out themselves and their friends to billions of dollars by allowing Saddler and P4P Promotions to have a small portion of the leniency you have shown fighters under the Thatroof or Elbaum banner and allow him to make his first voluntary defence against the number 17 rated fighter in the world.
P4P Promotions Lobby to the Commision.
Re: P4P Promotions Lobby to the Commision.
In all honesty, title defenses should be opened up to the top 20 fighters. We usually have 5 belt holders inside the top 15, toss in a cpu fighter, then if a tournament is going on or such, it really thins the field.
I have no issue with title defenses having to be within the top 20.
I have no issue with title defenses having to be within the top 20.
Re: P4P Promotions Lobby to the Commision.
So in that sense, the next guys would be:
16 Gomez Wilfredo 178 JFW 1128.3
17 Sullivan Brooklyn Tommy 234 FW 1110.2
18 Bass Benny 234 FW 1107.8
19 Jordan Ben 65 FW 1085.1
20 Hamed Naseem 65 FW 1083.0 ------ HAM&EGGS CHAMP
Bass is coming off a loss to Armstrong and Hamed in entering Prize Fighter this week. That leaves Gomez, Sullivan, and Jordan who I think are eligible. If Crease and Buzz don't have an issue, I'm all for it. Our old sanctioning body rankings wouldn't have other champs listed, so it only makes sense.
16 Gomez Wilfredo 178 JFW 1128.3
17 Sullivan Brooklyn Tommy 234 FW 1110.2
18 Bass Benny 234 FW 1107.8
19 Jordan Ben 65 FW 1085.1
20 Hamed Naseem 65 FW 1083.0 ------ HAM&EGGS CHAMP
Bass is coming off a loss to Armstrong and Hamed in entering Prize Fighter this week. That leaves Gomez, Sullivan, and Jordan who I think are eligible. If Crease and Buzz don't have an issue, I'm all for it. Our old sanctioning body rankings wouldn't have other champs listed, so it only makes sense.
Re: P4P Promotions Lobby to the Commision.
First of all good to see you up, energized, invigorated and involved!
And remember....Crease and The GoldenBuzz Galaxy of Stars have an uneasy alliance in order to bring you the best is simboxing entertainment. We compete, and oppose, but we attempt to cooperate to bring you the show.
I understand your concerns:
Disregard all "weight class" distinctions, all fighters are actually facing each other a their featherweight selves.
However....I didn't create the universe quite to spec.....so in order to run the fights, I must utilize division options for title fights.
It will be Ironed out in the next season...but once I set it up...it can not be toyed with until the season run's it's course. So...though the titles have different weight classification on occasion, it does not change the dynamics of the featherweight fights.
And we will only track the man who beat the man aspects in each sanctioning body.
I think that solves most of the concerns.
Also.....this week is going to have flex factors as we attempt to run the tourney within the weekly events. It's going to be hinky, and I'm busy with the "work arounds".
It is my intent to honor every management whim, wish, and desire along the way. And to keep this thing on track with integrity.
And remember....Crease and The GoldenBuzz Galaxy of Stars have an uneasy alliance in order to bring you the best is simboxing entertainment. We compete, and oppose, but we attempt to cooperate to bring you the show.
I understand your concerns:
Disregard all "weight class" distinctions, all fighters are actually facing each other a their featherweight selves.
However....I didn't create the universe quite to spec.....so in order to run the fights, I must utilize division options for title fights.
It will be Ironed out in the next season...but once I set it up...it can not be toyed with until the season run's it's course. So...though the titles have different weight classification on occasion, it does not change the dynamics of the featherweight fights.
And we will only track the man who beat the man aspects in each sanctioning body.
I think that solves most of the concerns.
Also.....this week is going to have flex factors as we attempt to run the tourney within the weekly events. It's going to be hinky, and I'm busy with the "work arounds".
It is my intent to honor every management whim, wish, and desire along the way. And to keep this thing on track with integrity.
Re: P4P Promotions Lobby to the Commision.
Currently the #17 fighter is Tommy Sullivan. So that fight is on for Event #10
Re: P4P Promotions Lobby to the Commision.
That was a long time ago... We seem to remember Mount Azumah making the Featherweight limit... If this is not true, then we can only blame YOU for jiggering with the scales...p4p1 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2021, 08:49Week 1
Saddler vs Nelson. We accepted the fight against Nelson based on the knowledge and information that Saddler was facing Nelson at FW. After the fight we believed that Nelson had just put together a great performance to upset Saddler. Now however, with more information still coming out, we expect that shennanigans were at play. Saddler believed and was told that he would be facing a FW version of Nelson. Due to the pandemic and not wanting to put the season in jeopardy as we have seen in other sports it was agreed that only a fighter and a representative of the commission would be present at the weighin, in an effort to stop community transfer of the VID. It has since come out that the that a possible clerical error allowed a 130lb Nelson to fight in the FW weight class.
But perhaps the most gentlemanly thing to do (not that we have ever been accused of such a thing) would be to settle the matter in a 12-round fight next week - Saddler vs Nelson once again... And this time we'll keep extra close attention to the weight limits... And I suppose you can bring that gold thing you wear with you for the victor to claim it...
We can provide you with a contact number for a "care home worker" where, when pressed, she will reply with the customaryp4p1 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2021, 08:49Why is the above information important? Because our team of crack PI's believe they have uncovered a shocking secret. While it was public knowledge that Don Krease finally called it quits, what appears on the surface may not in fact be true. We believe Krease decided to shut shop in an effort be out of the public eye while quietly starting another camp. While it was thought of as only a coincidence that Krease's Brothers', sisters, cousins husband was the public face of Elbaum Promotions in Cleveland. Elbaum Promotions quietly went about signing some fighters they believed could have a good shot with the right management. Key signings were Chi, Hollywood, Dixon, Gomez and Bass.
"Mr Krease is currently at the cards table with the other residents'. They like to play Gin Rummy. He is having a wonderful time... Thank you for your concern. Have a pleasant rest of your day"
That is all...
Three words - Agent. George. Hickey.p4p1 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2021, 08:49At this stage we don't have anything other than circumstancial evidence that Golden Buzz Promotions, the new simboxing commissioner was an active collaborator with Krease in the new management plan. As anyone who has spent longer than a second in the simboxing world Golden Buzz has a reputation for shenanigans and tomfoolery. While the simworld believed and still does believe that Golden Buzz is acting with integrity and glitches in the sim world are just simple human error we cannot ignore the closeness between Krease and Golden Buzz nor how they often appeared to be using the same play book are they bended the rules to breaking point in the past. Will Golden Buzz's crowning shenanigan be secretly collaborating with Don Krease for the FW season to create turmoil, chaos and results that could net those who knew of a stacked deck billions in profit?
On the surface a simple human or clerical error looks to be to blame for the commission allowing Nelson to compete as a Super Featherweight against Featherweights. Golden Buzz doesn't have a long standing connection with Thatchproof Promotions. We have recently Don Kreases right hand man, Creasington Thatchroof whos work behind the scenes for Krease was a major contributer to the success of the company, immediately set up Thatchroof Promotions when he was informed that Don Krease Promotions was shutting shop for good. Thatchproof Promotions quickly signed one of the greatest Super Featherweights the world has ever seen for the FW season. Nelson had previously had some success at Featherweight but his best weight was clearly up at 130lbs and it looked like the 126lb version of Nelson could be over his head. While Krease and Golden Buzz have horseplayed the season into total chaos and unpredictability who is the greatest benefactor outside of Don Krease? His allegedly former righthand man Creasington Thatroof who has been allowed to inject Nelson with 4 glorious but unfair pounds of greatness. We have more evidence that shows in return for allowing the 130lbs version of Nelson to compete Thatchroof Promotions does much of the clerical and admin work at no cost to the Golden Buzz Commission Division. The costly and time consuming work would normally be paid for out of the commissions pocket, drastically decreasing the annual profits the commission accumulates.
We have been so swayed to permit this.... Although we are frowning over the keyboard... Good luck in your contest.p4p1 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2021, 08:49So we at P4P Promotions propose to the commission to prove that they are not puppets of Don Krease and took the position up to help out themselves and their friends to billions of dollars by allowing Saddler and P4P Promotions to have a small portion of the leniency you have shown fighters under the Thatroof or Elbaum banner and allow him to make his first voluntary defence against the number 17 rated fighter in the world.
Re: P4P Promotions Lobby to the Commision.
We'll do that from next week then.armageto wrote: ↑24 Apr 2021, 11:55 In all honesty, title defenses should be opened up to the top 20 fighters. We usually have 5 belt holders inside the top 15, toss in a cpu fighter, then if a tournament is going on or such, it really thins the field.
I have no issue with title defenses having to be within the top 20.
Re: P4P Promotions Lobby to the Commision.
Of course Mr Thatchroof denies any wrong doing. He has learnt well at the feet of the ‘other Don.’ His memory though seems to work much like the Don that was once POTUS. Remembering events that never happened such as Azumah making 126lbs.Crease wrote: ↑24 Apr 2021, 15:44That was a long time ago... We seem to remember Mount Azumah making the Featherweight limit... If this is not true, then we can only blame YOU for jiggering with the scales...p4p1 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2021, 08:49Week 1
Saddler vs Nelson. We accepted the fight against Nelson based on the knowledge and information that Saddler was facing Nelson at FW. After the fight we believed that Nelson had just put together a great performance to upset Saddler. Now however, with more information still coming out, we expect that shennanigans were at play. Saddler believed and was told that he would be facing a FW version of Nelson. Due to the pandemic and not wanting to put the season in jeopardy as we have seen in other sports it was agreed that only a fighter and a representative of the commission would be present at the weighin, in an effort to stop community transfer of the VID. It has since come out that the that a possible clerical error allowed a 130lb Nelson to fight in the FW weight class.
But perhaps the most gentlemanly thing to do (not that we have ever been accused of such a thing) would be to settle the matter in a 12-round fight next week - Saddler vs Nelson once again... And this time we'll keep extra close attention to the weight limits... And I suppose you can bring that gold thing you wear with you for the victor to claim it...
We can provide you with a contact number for a "care home worker" where, when pressed, she will reply with the customaryp4p1 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2021, 08:49Why is the above information important? Because our team of crack PI's believe they have uncovered a shocking secret. While it was public knowledge that Don Krease finally called it quits, what appears on the surface may not in fact be true. We believe Krease decided to shut shop in an effort be out of the public eye while quietly starting another camp. While it was thought of as only a coincidence that Krease's Brothers', sisters, cousins husband was the public face of Elbaum Promotions in Cleveland. Elbaum Promotions quietly went about signing some fighters they believed could have a good shot with the right management. Key signings were Chi, Hollywood, Dixon, Gomez and Bass.
"Mr Krease is currently at the cards table with the other residents'. They like to play Gin Rummy. He is having a wonderful time... Thank you for your concern. Have a pleasant rest of your day"
That is all...
Three words - Agent. George. Hickey.p4p1 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2021, 08:49At this stage we don't have anything other than circumstancial evidence that Golden Buzz Promotions, the new simboxing commissioner was an active collaborator with Krease in the new management plan. As anyone who has spent longer than a second in the simboxing world Golden Buzz has a reputation for shenanigans and tomfoolery. While the simworld believed and still does believe that Golden Buzz is acting with integrity and glitches in the sim world are just simple human error we cannot ignore the closeness between Krease and Golden Buzz nor how they often appeared to be using the same play book are they bended the rules to breaking point in the past. Will Golden Buzz's crowning shenanigan be secretly collaborating with Don Krease for the FW season to create turmoil, chaos and results that could net those who knew of a stacked deck billions in profit?
On the surface a simple human or clerical error looks to be to blame for the commission allowing Nelson to compete as a Super Featherweight against Featherweights. Golden Buzz doesn't have a long standing connection with Thatchproof Promotions. We have recently Don Kreases right hand man, Creasington Thatchroof whos work behind the scenes for Krease was a major contributer to the success of the company, immediately set up Thatchroof Promotions when he was informed that Don Krease Promotions was shutting shop for good. Thatchproof Promotions quickly signed one of the greatest Super Featherweights the world has ever seen for the FW season. Nelson had previously had some success at Featherweight but his best weight was clearly up at 130lbs and it looked like the 126lb version of Nelson could be over his head. While Krease and Golden Buzz have horseplayed the season into total chaos and unpredictability who is the greatest benefactor outside of Don Krease? His allegedly former righthand man Creasington Thatroof who has been allowed to inject Nelson with 4 glorious but unfair pounds of greatness. We have more evidence that shows in return for allowing the 130lbs version of Nelson to compete Thatchroof Promotions does much of the clerical and admin work at no cost to the Golden Buzz Commission Division. The costly and time consuming work would normally be paid for out of the commissions pocket, drastically decreasing the annual profits the commission accumulates.
We have been so swayed to permit this.... Although we are frowning over the keyboard... Good luck in your contest.p4p1 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2021, 08:49So we at P4P Promotions propose to the commission to prove that they are not puppets of Don Krease and took the position up to help out themselves and their friends to billions of dollars by allowing Saddler and P4P Promotions to have a small portion of the leniency you have shown fighters under the Thatroof or Elbaum banner and allow him to make his first voluntary defence against the number 17 rated fighter in the world.
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