Fighters with the worst padded resume?

[JxhDel.]

Does anyone remember that Yemeni guy?

Ali Ramyi or something?

He was like 20 (20)-0, most of his opponents were undefeated but had only fought debitants or 1-0 type guys.

All very bizarre.

That Yemeni colonel who died during a raid? WBA still ranked him months after his death...

Chris Lovejoy has one horrible padded resume today.

[gp.]

Does anyone remember that Yemeni guy?

Ali Ramyi or something?

He was like 20 (20)-0, most of his opponents were undefeated but had only fought debitants or 1-0 type guys.

All very bizarre.

That Yemeni colonel who died during a raid? WBA still ranked him months after his death...

Despite looking, I have never been able to find any news story (apart from announcements of the death of "Ali Raymi") that backs up his death in this air raid, or anything apart from press releases and youtube videos from his "manager, Felix J Arno" that confirm anything about him. There was a person claming to be him in videos, yes, but in my opinion the whole thing was staged and he never really existed. The "death in the air strike" story came at a convenient point when they were starting to be called on their bluff.

You can find press releases from his manager (of which, see below) saying "Ali Raymi is dead, killed in an airstrike", sure, and boxing media following up on those, but if anyone can find a news story from a legitimate source saying "Air strike in Yemen, among the dead is boxer Ali Raymi" then that is more than I can do. And you would expect the legitimate Yemeni media to have such a thing.

The only "Felix J Arno" that shows up anywhere on the internet is either in connection to this, or a federal employee in Los Angeles. Some sources suggest that these are the same man, and "Ali Raymi's manager" was indeed based in California with no boxing connections. I leave you to draw what conclusions you may.

[The Gratest]

Steve Bunce was convinced.

https://www.boxingnewsonline.net/the-un ... ali-raymi/

[margaret thatcher]

well, there is videos of his fights, so someone exists who was at least presented as ali raymi lol

dude was an atg body puncher, i felt sick just watching those heavy yemeni hands smash dudes to the ribs

[gp.]

Steve Bunce was convinced.

https://www.boxingnewsonline.net/the-un ... ali-raymi/

Being on the opposite side from Steve Bunce in any argument is one of the surest ways of knowing you are right.

That apart that story is either a veritable triumph of journalistic ineptitude, or a joke. He has absolutely no primary source information and doesn't appear to have tried to track any down, just repeated what he has found on the internet. Should a journalist of Steve Bunce's connections not have been able to talk to friends or family of the man? He appears to have made no attempt to.

Moreover, he notes that there is no coverage of Raymi's supposed amateur history and no coverage of his funeral. I am, as I say, not entirely sure that Bunce is not being wholly tongue in cheek with this article; even he must realise on what flimsy a foundation it is built.

[gp.]

well, there is videos of his fights, so someone exists who was at least presented as ali raymi lol

dude was an atg body puncher, i felt sick just watching those heavy yemeni hands smash dudes to the ribs

Indeed, a man did exist who had things that looked a little like boxing matches in a gym in front of 40 people and then put them on youtube.

[margaret thatcher]

that's ali raymi for ya bruh

[margaret thatcher]

anyone remember that brazilian guy, william berranza or whatever it was

41-0 (40), though i'd bet his record is loaded with fights that only e ver happened on paper. almost seems like a lot of his opponents there exist simply for him to have boxrec wins over them lol

the guy who supposedly managed him was a boxer, mike miranda, and had the same hugely padded record, and then when he'd get brought in as an opponent would immediately flop and roll around for a quick ko loss. obvious throw jobs.

looks like they never managed to cash out willy here though



https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/536325

[margaret thatcher]

re: ali raymi again.....i recall a few people suggesting that it might be an experiment to see how easily one could exploit computerized and alphabet ranking

were there even changes made to the boxrec formula because raymi climbed too high, or am i imaginging that

[gp.]

that's ali raymi for ya bruh

I will throw in the interesting statistic that not only did none of his opponents ever fight outside of Yemen, but none of hs opponents ever fought anybody who fought outside of Yemen. I haven't had the time to check, but I would lay money that if you follow it through on the Boxrec record pages, you will also find that none of his opponents ever fought anyone who fought anyone who fought outside of Yemen, aand yet none of them seemed to have any trouble finding opponents, sometimes having 4 pro fights in a month just before taking on Ali Raymi.

Either the Yemeni boxing scene is so thriving that it doesn't need any contact with the rest of the world, or something odd is going on.

The fact that Yemen currently has a grand total of one pro boxer (a super middleweight who had one fight and lost in China) suggests that if is the former, there has been a sad decline since they lost their flag bearer.

[margaret thatcher]

he's probably just like the brazilian guy.....although it's odd that neither cashed out their records. and i think both got rranked by major sanctioning bodies

[gp.]

re: ali raymi again.....i recall a few people suggesting that it might be an experiment to see how easily one could exploit computerized and alphabet ranking

were there even changes made to the boxrec formula because raymi climbed too high, or am i imaginging that

It's either this or just someone doing it for the shits and giggles. It's also possible of course that they thought they might be able to make money off it somehow and bailed when they realised they weren't going to, but I can't see how.

[gp.]

he's probably just like the brazilian guy.....although it's odd that neither cashed out their records. and i think both got rranked by major sanctioning bodies

I doubt the guy who the Los Angeles tax official was paying to be Ali Raymi in the gym would have been prepared to take a beating from a genuine boxer for the kind of money he was getting. In addition, quite probably the Los Angeles taxman didn't have the money to take it to the next level, when he would have been expected to put up cash for "Raymi" to fight a real opponent.

Kahwagi was different, it was just a big ego trip. He didn't need money; he was from a very wealthy family.

[margaret thatcher]

oh ya, im sure raymi and the brazilian guy would be pounded by any legit pro. but there are fighters, like bezzera's supposed manager, who just immediately flop whenever they get drafted in for a cashout. i woulda thought the goal of the record padding was some payofff in the end

granted, raymi's case is rather bizarre so maybe it really was just sh!ts and giggles , but considering bezzera's manager was a record padded flopper himself, i woulda thought we woulda seem will do the same at some point

[The Gratest]

Steve Bunce was convinced.

https://www.boxingnewsonline.net/the-un ... ali-raymi/

Being on the opposite side from Steve Bunce in any argument is one of the surest ways of knowing you are right.

I'm glad I read it rather than having his over-excitable squeaky voice scream it at me.

[gp.]

oh ya, im sure raymi and the brazilian guy would be pounded by any legit pro. but there are fighters, like bezzera's supposed manager, who just immediately flop whenever they get drafted in for a cashout. i woulda thought the goal of the record padding was some payofff in the end

granted, raymi's case is rather bizarre so maybe it really was just sh!ts and giggles , but considering bezzera's manager was a record padded flopper himself, i woulda thought we woulda seem will do the same at some point

Generally you are right of course, but the thing about a cash out is you don't get it for nothing - there are considerable up front expenses for a manager. They have to put up guarantees and pay bills before the match takes place. A real chancer is not going to have the money to do it.

[gp.]

oh ya, im sure raymi and the brazilian guy would be pounded by any legit pro. but there are fighters, like bezzera's supposed manager, who just immediately flop whenever they get drafted in for a cashout. i woulda thought the goal of the record padding was some payofff in the end

granted, raymi's case is rather bizarre so maybe it really was just sh!ts and giggles , but considering bezzera's manager was a record padded flopper himself, i woulda thought we woulda seem will do the same at some point

Apologies, I was talking about the wrong Brazilian guy earlier, I had someone else in my head. I am not familiar with Bezzera. Him I cannot explain.

J D Chapman comes to mind as well. Built up an 29-0 record against nobodies and was offered a fight against David Haye, whereupon he promptly retired. To be fair, was probably the healthy option.

[Enlightened-One]

J D Chapman comes to mind as well. Built up an 29-0 record against nobodies and was offered a fight against David Haye, whereupon he promptly retired. To be fair, was probably the healthy option.

FFS!

Eleven of the first 15 fights Chapman fought were victories against opponents that hadn't even registered a single victory (either debutants or constant losers).

And three of his other four wins were against the same opponent (a guy that had only won five of his 25 bouts).

That's simply appalling!

[Rocky-]

anyone remember that brazilian guy, william berranza or whatever it was

41-0 (40), though i'd bet his record is loaded with fights that only e ver happened on paper. almost seems like a lot of his opponents there exist simply for him to have boxrec wins over them lol

the guy who supposedly managed him was a boxer, mike miranda, and had the same hugely padded record, and then when he'd get brought in as an opponent would immediately flop and roll around for a quick ko loss. obvious throw jobs.

looks like they never managed to cash out willy here though

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/536325

Yeah he was the WBA's fourth ranked cruiserweight. Another one is Damian Jonak https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/348697 the WBA's eighth ranked super welterweight in 2016. I suspect Jonak intended to sell his 50-0 undefeated record to the highest bidder, caught Sergio Martinez's eye http://www.ringpolska.pl/damian-jonak/2 ... martinezem and IMO backed out to continue padding his record because the bag offered wasn't big enough.

[gp.]

No discussion on padded records should be allowed to pass without mentioning again that this:



is an official pro fight, listed and accepted on boxrec

https://boxrec.com/en/event/704032/1936983

which just show really that most of these guys with padded records are putting more effort into it than they need to. Get one of your mates to put on a white shirt and be ref and 20 seconds work in a gym every Tuesday can get you to 20-0 and a WBA ranking in no time.

Avsijenkovs appears to be mainly a three levels down record padder - he is not the guy who the likes of J D Chapman or Bezerra beat; he is not even the guy who their opponents have beaten, he is the guy who their opponents opponents have beaten. Occasionally though it's shallower than that; one of the conquerors of Afsijenkovs is Arturs Kuliskaukis, who has been brought over the UK to face, among others, Hosea Burton and Tony Bellew on the strength of his Latvian record.

[JamesPhilips]

Chris Lovejoy

[digzee]

Brian Nielsen springs to mind with his 64(43)-3 record. Even though he fought Tyson, Holmes, Holyfield and Witherspoon none of them were under 35 and 2 of them were over 46 and he lost to 2 of them. https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/4681

[SportsRatings]

Tom Schwarz, before his quick loss to Fury was 24-0 of has-beens and never-was's (plus a few other padded-record undefeated HWs too)

but yeah, Lovejoy's is worse, never fights outside Tijuana either

[Enlightened-One]

Brian Nielsen springs to mind with his 64(43)-3 record. Even though he fought Tyson, Holmes, Holyfield and Witherspoon none of them were under 35 and 2 of them were over 46 and he lost to 2 of them. https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/4681

To be fair to Brian Nielsen, he may have defeated many past-their-prime opponents, but he was around the same age they were.

Nielsen was born in 1965 and the world champions he defeated such as: James (Bonecrusher) Smith, Jeff Lampkin, Tony Tubbs, Carlos De Leon, Larry Holmes, Tim Witherspoon, Orlin Norris and Uriah Grant, were about his age.

The same applies to his moderately competitive bouts against Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield.

You can't compare Brian Nielsen to JD Chapman.

[digzee]

Brian Nielsen springs to mind with his 64(43)-3 record. Even though he fought Tyson, Holmes, Holyfield and Witherspoon none of them were under 35 and 2 of them were over 46 and he lost to 2 of them. https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/4681

To be fair to Brian Nielsen, he may have defeated many past-their-prime opponents, but he was around the same age they were.

Nielsen was born in 1965 and the world champions he defeated such as: James (Bonecrusher) Smith, Jeff Lampkin, Tony Tubbs, Carlos De Leon, Larry Holmes, Tim Witherspoon, Orlin Norris and Uriah Grant, were about his age.

The same applies to his moderately competitive bouts against Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield.

You can't compare Brian Nielsen to JD Chapman.

He was 16 years younger than Holmes and 7 years younger than Witherspoon who was 41. By the time he fought Tyson he was 62-1, then he lost to Tyson and Holyfield.

62 victories but none of them were reasonably meaningful.