Joseph Parker vs. Derek Chisora - May 1, 2021

[joshj909]

Chisora should face Helenius should he lose to Kownacki or maybe Hughie if not.

Sounds like good matchups, except Hughie. Helenius will likely ice Chisora now. Kownacki sounds competetive, as both aggressors without much of thought and skill.

I just think that there's not much for Chisora anymore. His ceiling has been proven time and time again and nobody wants to see him squash the smaller guys anymore at 37. So two things that could be left for him is the opportunity to rectify disputed loss in a
potentially winnable fight against Helenius or face one of the remaining British Heavies that he has not faced and is also needs a high profile win, who would take the fight and could potentially beat.

[candyslim]

@ Dr Duke :

It wasn't a clear defeat. A brief read of posts on this thread should confirm plenty thought Chisora won. The decision could have gone either way. Plenty of fighters bitch when they have just come out on the wrong end of a very close decision, and since it has happened to Chisora more than most, it follows that he complains about it more than most.

And if you think the only reason that Haymon and Finkel wouln't be interested in matching their boy with Chisora in a non-title fight, is that he isn't registered to the PBC, then you haven't been paying attention.

[joshj909]

Are we going to get a forum ranking thread for this and Ruiz/Arreola?

[DrDuke]

It wasn't a clear defeat. A brief read of posts on this thread should confirm plenty thought Chisora won. The decision could have gone either way. Plenty of fighters bitch when they have just come out on the wrong end of a very close decision, and since it has happened to Chisora more than most, it follows that he complains about it more than most.

Chisora was as uneffective as he was aggressive. He was trying to bully Parker, but in all that hustling it was Parker, who was landing more clean shots.

[candyslim]

That's one opinion and you are entitled to it. I can't really offer an opinion of my own because I only saw the fight on YouTube.

I'm very choosy about PPV because none of my friends or family share my enthusiasm for boxing so I'm paying to watch it on my own.

The YouTube video was too zoomed-in to be able to assess the fight properly. No doubt I'll get to watch it properly on Sky before long.

[Cyclops]

That's one opinion and you are entitled to it. I can't really offer an opinion of my own because I only saw the fight on YouTube.

I'm very choosy about PPV because none of my friends or family share my enthusiasm for boxing so I'm paying to watch it on my own.

The YouTube video was too zoomed-in to be able to assess the fight properly. No doubt I'll get to watch it properly on Sky before long.

I watched the fight on a good quality stream and Chisora won a close one for me. It could have easily been scored for him wide. Even taking into account the swing rounds he deserved a draw. I wanted Parker to win because Chisora, as much as I like him, is a solid gatekeeper and I wanted Parker to make a statement and show that he deserves his top 10 ranking. But Chisora beat him. I can't remember what he said, but Parker is honest and a gentleman and basically alluded to being surprised that he got the nod.

I cannot see where anybody who is saying Chisora obviously lost is coming from.

Also, the Ruiz-Arreola fight was a much clearer win for Andy, with a similar early bad start. But the scorecards for that were atrocious too. Both Chisora and Arreola are right to be aggrieved. It also doesn't bode well for either winner, that ageing gatekeepers both had them in so much trouble. I don't consider Chisora shot at all, but Arreola is well past his prime. I expected Chisora Parker to go the distance, but I didn't expect Arreola to last past half way.

Ruiz and Parker are both nothing special. Ruiz's moment was his AJ win, and Parker's was his WBO reign. I'll be interested to see what the top 10 looks like at the end of the year. I really hope dead wood like Povetkin, Pulev and Ortiz are gone, though, and the new blood from the 2016 Olympics (apart from Joyce who is already solid top 10 in my opinion) finally start to make an impact.

[Cyclops]

It wasn't a clear defeat. A brief read of posts on this thread should confirm plenty thought Chisora won. The decision could have gone either way. Plenty of fighters bitch when they have just come out on the wrong end of a very close decision, and since it has happened to Chisora more than most, it follows that he complains about it more than most.

Chisora was as uneffective as he was aggressive. He was trying to bully Parker, but in all that hustling it was Parker, who was landing more clean shots.

I respectfully disagree. Parker was too negative, always on the back foot and held a lot. He also got knocked down. He looked by quite some stretch the weaker fighter and I can't recall any impressive moments he had. Chisora DID bully Parker. He didn't get the win because a Chisora win renders Parker, who is a solid fighter, almost irrelevant in the eyes of most because of the numbers in Chisora's loss column. But Parker showed nothing special. He deserves praise for a competitive fight, but he didn't deserve the win.

Chisora should have Helenius, Whyte 1 and Parker in his wins. That's just how I see it.

[oogiebe]

It wasn't a clear defeat. A brief read of posts on this thread should confirm plenty thought Chisora won. The decision could have gone either way. Plenty of fighters bitch when they have just come out on the wrong end of a very close decision, and since it has happened to Chisora more than most, it follows that he complains about it more than most.

Chisora was as uneffective as he was aggressive. He was trying to bully Parker, but in all that hustling it was Parker, who was landing more clean shots.

I respectfully disagree. Parker was too negative, always on the back foot and held a lot. He also got knocked down. He looked by quite some stretch the weaker fighter and I can't recall any impressive moments he had. Chisora DID bully Parker. He didn't get the win because a Chisora win renders Parker, who is a solid fighter, almost irrelevant in the eyes of most because of the numbers in Chisora's loss column. But Parker showed nothing special. He deserves praise for a competitive fight, but he didn't deserve the win.

Chisora should have Helenius, Whyte 1 and Parker in his wins. That's just how I see it.

not unreasonable. All close and could've gone either way.

[margaret thatcher]

parker an whyte 1 were either way type of fights, but he drubbed helenius. i had that 10-2 . along with lara-williams, it was the worst robbery of that year

[oogiebe]

parker an whyte 1 were either way type of fights, but he drubbed helenius. i had that 10-2 . along with lara-williams, it was the worst robbery of that year

True that.

[candyslim]

Can I just say to anyone who thinks an overseas fighter can't get a fair break from UK judges, that this is by no means the only time that an overseas fighter has been gifted a highly disputable decision over the home fighter - hell it's not even the only time that Joe Parker has been gifted a highly disputable decision over the home fighter (HFury)

Not saying of course that judges in the UK never give hometown decisions but I'd say you're as likely to get a fair crack there as anywhere ... in my honest but not entirety unbiased opinion obviously

[Thomastearns]

I didn't think it was a robbery but it was close.

The problem is THAT 116 - 111 scorecard.

As a Joseph Parker fan, that was ridiculous. Joe just did not do enough to warrant that card.

Let's not forget it's not always about the home fighter it's about who is the A side and who is the B side. Parker himself and his trainer Andy Lee were both a little surprised at the result, Parker even mentioned 'hometown judging' but it's more about being the A side.

Of course Chisora doesn't always help himself with his prima donna antics (spitting at Klitschko and even needing to be talked around hours before this fight etc) but I can't remember a single fight where Derec Chisora was the A side.

Therefore it stands to reason that if he wants to win in future, he must win clearly and decisively.

That's how boxing works. It's a business first and foremost. Unless you're the A side or simply unstoppable you're going to have to kiss ass along the way somewhere.

[aicheligad]

Are we going to get a forum ranking thread for this and Ruiz/Arreola?

Yes, just now.

[DrDuke]

As a Joseph Parker fan

Oh my, Parker has fans. I'd never root for a guy, who wins, but still looks like sh!t. Well, not critisizing the opinion though, each one to his own.

[candyslim]

Lucky that football fans are different or the whole of the UK would be fans of Manchester City. In football you root for your team and if they happen to be sh*t that's just too bad.

That's the beauty of boxing. If your favourite fighter gets destroyed beyond any hope of redemption, never mind there will be another coming along shortly. If your football team is rubbish you're stuck with them. For a fan and his team, divorce is not an option.

Of course where football has the advantage is when a match is scheduled you've got to be very unlucky if it doesn't take place, and the top teams don't get to duck each other

[goose 5]

Am I correct that 2 judges scored round one 10-9, despite the knockdown ?

[Finkel]

Am I correct that 2 judges scored round one 10-9, despite the knockdown ?

I would really like to see the official score cards when they come out. Actually, I agree with the sentiment of a few above. For me it was a close fight, but I thought it was the correct decision.

I personally had it:
Chisora - Parker
1. 10 - 8
2. 10 - 9
3. 10 - 9 *
4. 10 - 9
5. 9 - 10
6. 9 - 10 *
7. 9 - 10
8. 9 - 10
9. 9 - 10
10. 9 - 10
11. 9 - 10
12. 10 - 9 *

113 - 114
* 3, 6 and 12 were close in terms of who was landing the cleaner work, so looked more to other factors.
If I was to be heavily biased toward Parker's work and against Chisora's, for whatever reason, I would have ended up with 116-111. - I personally think that is too wide.

Again this is just my personal take on it: I respect the pressure Chisora was putting on Parker along with his head movement and (especially in the first 4) I was liking his body work a lot. But generally from the 5th, Chisora was just getting tagged just too cleanly and often with combinations either at range and when coming in, and whilst he kept throwing volume, a lot of his work was landing on the elbows, gloves and shoulders. Chisora obviously tried to stay active in the clinch, but just on personal preference I don't really score arm punches to the flanks unless he is visibly digging them in (which Chisora was doing during the first third). For me, along with hitting arms and shoulders this is effective strategy in the sense that it will hopefully take away from the opponents energy pool and potentially reduce the ability to throw back (or even hold a guard). But it's not an immediate strategy for taking a round.

But hey I'm just some guy posting on a forum.

Really want to see those Official cards.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Am I correct that 2 judges scored round one 10-9, despite the knockdown ?

Based on the final scorecards, they must have given it a 10-8 round..

[Finkel]

Am I correct that 2 judges scored round one 10-9, despite the knockdown ?

Based on the final scorecards, they must have given it a 10-8 round..

Yeah, I'm guessin all three will have scored the 1st a 10-8. I could be wrong.
I'm expecting the cards to look like:
Howard Foster (Britain) = 115-113 for Chisora ~ 6 rounds for Chisora inc KD, 5 for Parker with a 10-10 thrown in there too.
Grzegorz Molenda (Poland) = 116-111 for Parker ~ 3 rounds for Chisora inc KD, 9 rounds for Parker.
Andrew Bell (New Zealand) = 115-113 for Parker ~ 4 rounds for Chisora inc KD, 7 rounds for Parker and a 10-10 in there.

[candyslim]

Am I correct that 2 judges scored round one 10-9, despite the knockdown ?

I've got no problem with that. A knockdown is a 10-8 if you win the round. Dropping your opponent doesn't necessarily mean you win the round. If you clearly lose the round despite dropping your man, it could be argued the logical score is 10-10.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Parker Suffered Elbow Injury Halfway Through Chisora Fight

"Joe did tell me that he suffered an elbow injury halfway through," Higgins told Sky Sports.

"He hasn't said that publicly, I don't know if he will, but he did tell me that. He's going to get his right elbow looked at, because that could be why you didn't see the flurry at the end when Chisora was on the ropes. Joseph, he's got a bit of an issue that's he's going to get looked at, and hopefully cleared. Hopefully it's a minor issue.

"I thought [the fight with Chisora] was close, but I thought Joseph won. I was hoping the officials would call it that way and they did. I don't think there was any robbery of Chisora. Yes, the first-round knockdown put them ahead, but Joe looked quite composed and caught up over time, such that by the end, I thought it was a narrow win to Joe. I'm just relieved that the officials called it that way."

[Ruthless-RKO]

Interesting

Another Matchroom Production. Very well done too

[Ruthless-RKO]

Full fight

[Enlightened-One]

Parker Suffered Elbow Injury Halfway Through Chisora Fight

"Joe did tell me that he suffered an elbow injury halfway through," Higgins told Sky Sports.

"He hasn't said that publicly, I don't know if he will, but he did tell me that. He's going to get his right elbow looked at, because that could be why you didn't see the flurry at the end when Chisora was on the ropes. Joseph, he's got a bit of an issue that's he's going to get looked at, and hopefully cleared. Hopefully it's a minor issue.

"I thought [the fight with Chisora] was close, but I thought Joseph won. I was hoping the officials would call it that way and they did. I don't think there was any robbery of Chisora. Yes, the first-round knockdown put them ahead, but Joe looked quite composed and caught up over time, such that by the end, I thought it was a narrow win to Joe. I'm just relieved that the officials called it that way."

Dave Higgins is a renowned master of hyperbole, because he often overstates things to promote his clients’ (Parker’s) reputation.

All fighters suffer slight niggles either during bouts or when they’re training. And the vast majority of them don’t mention their aches and strains to justify losses or subpar performances.

I’m not suggesting that Dave Higgins is lying, but he has a strong reputation for embellishing situations to the point that they often bear very little resemblance to reality.

I personally dislike hearing excuses being cited several days after bouts.

[candyslim]

That's one opinion and you are entitled to it. I can't really offer an opinion of my own because I only saw the fight on YouTube.

I'm very choosy about PPV because none of my friends or family share my enthusiasm for boxing so I'm paying to watch it on my own.

The YouTube video was too zoomed-in to be able to assess the fight properly. No doubt I'll get to watch it properly on Sky before long.

I watched the fight on a good quality stream and Chisora won a close one for me. It could have easily been scored for him wide. Even taking into account the swing rounds he deserved a draw. I wanted Parker to win because Chisora, as much as I like him, is a solid gatekeeper and I wanted Parker to make a statement and show that he deserves his top 10 ranking. But Chisora beat him. I can't remember what he said, but Parker is honest and a gentleman and basically alluded to being surprised that he got the nod.

I cannot see where anybody who is saying Chisora obviously lost is coming from.

Also, the Ruiz-Arreola fight was a much clearer win for Andy, with a similar early bad start. But the scorecards for that were atrocious too. Both Chisora and Arreola are right to be aggrieved. It also doesn't bode well for either winner, that ageing gatekeepers both had them in so much trouble. I don't consider Chisora shot at all, but Arreola is well past his prime. I expected Chisora Parker to go the distance, but I didn't expect Arreola to last past half way.

Ruiz and Parker are both nothing special. Ruiz's moment was his AJ win, and Parker's was his WBO reign. I'll be interested to see what the top 10 looks like at the end of the year. I really hope dead wood like Povetkin, Pulev and Ortiz are gone, though, and the new blood from the 2016 Olympics (apart from Joyce who is already solid top 10 in my opinion) finally start to make an impact.

I'm a little late to the party but I just watched the fight (Sky Sports coverage on YouTube)

I scored the fight 115-113 Chisora. I scored the first 5 rounds to Chisora as well as the 10th and a share of the 8th. That gives Parker 6,7,9,11,12

I'm not going to start howling about injustice because a lot of those rounds were close but to my mind this performance should enhance Chisora's ranking/ reputation not detract from it.