billy joes statement....

[mickey1975]

I wouldn't say it's impossible, there are very successful coaches who never boxed. Watching for bad form, correcting issues and analysing an opponents good and bad traits, if you know what to look for, doesn't mean you need to be some wily old former pro. And of course being a former fighter doesn't make someone a good coach either. Swap the sport for tennis or golf, the best players in the world all use coaches who were nowhere near the level they are at or even former pros.

If you were an elite world champion would you chose any bloke in his 20s (boxing career or not) to coach you ?

I wouldn’t.

Maybe they gel well. I'm not sure why his age is such an issue, Davison is 29 this year. Do you have to be over 30 to be a coach?

He was 24 when taken on.

[Controversial]

If you were an elite world champion would you chose any bloke in his 20s (boxing career or not) to coach you ?

I wouldn’t.

Maybe they gel well. I'm not sure why his age is such an issue, Davison is 29 this year. Do you have to be over 30 to be a coach?

He was 24 when taken on.

I still don't get the issue, has he not had success? Younger doesn't necessarily equate with being worse. I've worked with plenty of old sweats over the years, in most cases they are stuck in their ways and resistant to change, when younger people come in they have energy, enthusiasm, new ideas and question why things happen. It's not always a bad thing. Of course you can't teach experience but to be experienced you need to be doing the job.

[Counter-puncher]

he's got nice hair

[ERIC GUY]

He's done James English now.... I simply don't believe a non fighter in his 20's can teach these lads anything! Fury, BJS, Taylor!! Come on lads, literally nothing he can do but be a cheerleader.

who is a non fighter?

[high tower 1]

Maybe they gel well. I'm not sure why his age is such an issue, Davison is 29 this year. Do you have to be over 30 to be a coach?

He was 24 when taken on.

I still don't get the issue, has he not had success? Younger doesn't necessarily equate with being worse. I've worked with plenty of old sweats over the years, in most cases they are stuck in their ways and resistant to change, when younger people come in they have energy, enthusiasm, new ideas and question why things happen. It's not always a bad thing. Of course you can't teach experience but to be experienced you need to be doing the job.

At any trade I doubt you’ve mastered it in your 20s. Agreed on the golden oldies being past it but do you not think you need over a certain amount of experience ?

Shane even admitted it was trial and error a lot with Frampton in the corner. Hardly words you’d want to hear if you’re Frampton.

[Controversial]

He was 24 when taken on.

I still don't get the issue, has he not had success? Younger doesn't necessarily equate with being worse. I've worked with plenty of old sweats over the years, in most cases they are stuck in their ways and resistant to change, when younger people come in they have energy, enthusiasm, new ideas and question why things happen. It's not always a bad thing. Of course you can't teach experience but to be experienced you need to be doing the job.

At any trade I doubt you’ve mastered it in your 20s. Agreed on the golden oldies being past it but do you not think you need over a certain amount of experience ?

Shane even admitted it was trial and error a lot with Frampton in the corner. Hardly words you’d want to hear if you’re Frampton.

Experience always helps but you have to start somewhere and Davidson has had more success than others. Different skillsets as well, you can be the greatest fighter in the world but that doesn't mean you will be a good coach. A lot has to do with the relationship you have with the fighter, I've heard plenty of fighters say they couldn't get on with certain trainers and parted ways. Looking at it the other way around some fighters are world champions in their teens with little experience. If you are good enough then age is less important.

[mickey1975]

Give me those three and a spit bucket and I'll do ok.

[Controversial]

Give me those three and a spit bucket and I'll do ok.

You can say that about any coach though. Same as football, I know sod all about it but I'm sure if I was put in charge of Man City and picked a squad I could get a few wins. What real input did Ronnie Davies have with Eubank when he was in his corner, apart from slapping him every now and then, not a lot, Eubank done what he wanted most of the time. But Davies and Eubank had a good connection and Eubank trusted him and you would want that relationship in a fight.

[emallini]

I think that Ben Davison can overcomplicate things. In the first Wilder fight, it looked like a series of different feints were implemented and Fury was only encouraged to attack when Wilder was in certain positions, very safety first and looking to nick the rounds.

I feel like Sugar Hill looked at the fight logically and with a quite simple approach. Fury is bigger, longer, better skills, better defence, better feet, better IQ. So, running away trying to nick the fight with a complex strategy did not make sense to Sugar Hill. Fury was given a simple plan to be aggressive and show you are the much better man. Still be careful of the right hand but put it on Wilder and beat him up.

[Counter-puncher]

in hindsight backing Wilder up was a pretty damn obvious gameplan, given his awful footwork, balance and complete inability to box or counter off the back foot (or at least if he ever threw a crisp accurate counter I never saw it), and the fact that his right hand is so dependent on his big lunging step forward

[(craig)]

Freddie Roach called Davidson one dimensional after the first Wilder fight. He told the corner Wilder was there fir the taking and to be more offensive but Davidson opted for the safety first approach

[coghaugen11]

I remember Dean Powell having to speak up when Enzo Cal seemed a little out of his depth v Hopkins

[Counter-puncher]

it was also Powell who instructed Calzaghe to go to Kessler's body, about a round or so before Joe hurt Kessler with that right to the solar plexus that basically took the fight out of Mikkel for 3 or 4 rounds

[Coco]

He's done James English now.... I simply don't believe a non fighter in his 20's can teach these lads anything! Fury, BJS, Taylor!! Come on lads, literally nothing he can do but be a cheerleader.

who is a non fighter?

I think he means Davison.

Using the example of Powell, one of the best recent non fighting trainers, he still did a much longer apprenticeship than the likes of Davison, McGuigan, Booth too

[margaret thatcher]

roach said right after wilder-fury 1 that fury shouldve been more aggressive, and ppl here moaned and whined that that was so disrespectful to ben lol

[Coco]

roach said right after wilder-fury 1 that fury shouldve been more aggressive, and ppl here moaned and whined that that was so disrespectful to ben lol

I was one of those! I still think Roach was looking for a pay day! But was def proved right! I don't think you can complain much about the tactics, Fury won easy

[margaret thatcher]

he was asked about the fight and he proved to be absolutely spot on, i still dont get why there was backlash., as a trainer that's 100 percent his concern to analyze a fight and what shouldve been done

[Steveh583]

in hindsight backing Wilder up was a pretty damn obvious gameplan, given his awful footwork, balance and complete inability to box or counter off the back foot (or at least if he ever threw a crisp accurate counter I never saw it), and the fact that his right hand is so dependent on his big lunging step forward

tbf i think furys physical condition at the time may have played some part in the tactics they chose

[Counter-puncher]

in hindsight backing Wilder up was a pretty damn obvious gameplan, given his awful footwork, balance and complete inability to box or counter off the back foot (or at least if he ever threw a crisp accurate counter I never saw it), and the fact that his right hand is so dependent on his big lunging step forward

tbf i think furys physical condition at the time may have played some part in the tactics they chose

except it relied on his moving a lot, which I'm not sure would have been my first thought after a long lay-off, it's a pretty big gamble that he'd be able to keep going the full 12 like he did against Wlad when properly trained, I'd have been scared his legs wouldn't have the miles in them?

[margaret thatcher]

moving non stop is exhausting, legs will be proper f@cked after it

i remember after the wlad fight, he took off his boots and his feet were all f@cked up too

[dookus]

moving non stop is exhausting, legs will be proper f@cked after it

i remember after the wlad fight, he took off his boots and his feet were all f@cked up too

He said afterwards that he was going to invest in some proper socks next time rather than the 50 pack sports direct ones

[Grilling Machine]

in hindsight backing Wilder up was a pretty damn obvious gameplan, given his awful footwork, balance and complete inability to box or counter off the back foot (or at least if he ever threw a crisp accurate counter I never saw it), and the fact that his right hand is so dependent on his big lunging step forward

I think Fury knew all of this before their first fight, but it took him seeing red after the knockdown (he's always reacted that way) to gain the confidence to execute it.

[coneye]

Said before the wilder fight Davidson was too inexperienced for Fury , remember saying then , he complicates thingds that are not complicadted, mainly i think to try and sound more knoladgable than he is,,,
Also remember saying he forgot the basics ,its a fight , Zand Fury being bigger stronger , sho u ld just watch that right hand and get in there and belt him,, Roach and Sugar hill could see this

[Wee Tommy]

in hindsight backing Wilder up was a pretty damn obvious gameplan, given his awful footwork, balance and complete inability to box or counter off the back foot (or at least if he ever threw a crisp accurate counter I never saw it), and the fact that his right hand is so dependent on his big lunging step forward

Ive never seen a more inept boxer at his level.

[Tarquin Tarpaulin IV]

Angelo Dundee, when some wag suggested that anybody could coach the then Cassius Clay, said something along the lines of 'I knew that to get the best out of him I had to listen'.