I think Spider is a great choice. I would also add a couple of more middleweights for consideration:
Out of this list, Kenny Lane is the most outstanding of them all in my view. How about him at #44?scartissue wrote: ↑13 May 2021, 23:37 Hope to see fighters like Eddie Machen, Yaqui Lopez, Georgie Benton, Armando Muniz, Hector Thompson, Kenny Lane, Davey Day and Jesus Pimental considered.
Ring en Espanol had plenty of articles about him from the first issue I bought in January of 1983 to the coming off the stands one in October of 1985.BoxBuzz wrote: ↑09 May 2021, 14:46 Webb is an interesting choice....I would not disagree.
Here's one for serious consideration.....Mauro Mina. Two great obstacles kept him from greatness....his Peruvian roots prevented him from gaining greater public awareness....and a bit of a problem with his eyesight at at time you could consider him in his prime.
Had he had the chance.....like some others on this list....more of you would know who I am talking about. He was a LHW......he does have a wiki page...if you want some more info.
Machen and Lopez have a very similar "also ran" feel. I'd keep those names warm, and wait to see what other names pop up before pulling the trigger. But they are surely worthy of consideration.scartissue wrote: ↑13 May 2021, 23:37 Hope to see fighters like Eddie Machen, Yaqui Lopez, Georgie Benton, Armando Muniz, Hector Thompson, Kenny Lane, Davey Day and Jesus Pimental considered.
Antonio and Boxbuzz, I have no issues with Mauro Mina being on the list, but I do about his career. Like it or hate it, the truth of the matter is that a fighter needs to be visible and the U.S. was the place a fighter needed to put his talents on display. And at that time in particular, it was New York and Madison Square Garden that truly was the Mecca of boxing. Fighters like Eduardo Lausse, Jorge Fernandez, Paolo Rosi and Vicente Derado saw this and realized this was what was going to make or break their careers. Fighters like Duilio Loi (he only had a couple in the States) and Nicolino Loche finally made the grade, but not until they were about 30 with over 100 fights behind them. It's just business and I don't think Mina gave himself a fair shake. Another example would be in the early '70s when 2 outstanding light heavies came out of Argentina. One - Jorge Ahumada - went to NY. The other - Avenamar Peralta - went to Europe. Ahumada signed on with a good trainer in Gil Clancy, took on all the hot talent in Hal Carroll, Billy Wagner, Andy Kendall and Bobby Cassidy and got himself a title shot (3 actually). Whereas Peralta stayed very busy, beating an enormous amount of European light heavies, got nowhere and eventually was knocked out by journeyman Tom Bethea. Mina had one fight in NY, beating Henry Hank, looked poised for a title shot after a couple more of these type of wins, but it was not to be. He went back to Peru where he rotted on the vine like Peralta. Perhaps it wasn't a choice. Perhaps there was Visa problems. I don't know, but this has nothing to where one feels comfortable. It is a business which is about furthering yourself any which way you can.AntonioMartin wrote: ↑14 May 2021, 00:04Ring en Espanol had plenty of articles about him from the first issue I bought in January of 1983 to the coming off the stands one in October of 1985.BoxBuzz wrote: ↑09 May 2021, 14:46 Webb is an interesting choice....I would not disagree.
Here's one for serious consideration.....Mauro Mina. Two great obstacles kept him from greatness....his Peruvian roots prevented him from gaining greater public awareness....and a bit of a problem with his eyesight at at time you could consider him in his prime.
Had he had the chance.....like some others on this list....more of you would know who I am talking about. He was a LHW......he does have a wiki page...if you want some more info.
I practically thought of him as a world champion!!
scartissue wrote: ↑14 May 2021, 10:31Antonio and Boxbuzz, I have no issues with Mauro Mina being on the list, but I do about his career. Like it or hate it, the truth of the matter is that a fighter needs to be visible and the U.S. was the place a fighter needed to put his talents on display. And at that time in particular, it was New York and Madison Square Garden that truly was the Mecca of boxing. Fighters like Eduardo Lausse, Jorge Fernandez, Paolo Rosi and Vicente Derado saw this and realized this was what was going to make or break their careers. Fighters like Duilio Loi (he only had a couple in the States) and Nicolino Loche finally made the grade, but not until they were about 30 with over 100 fights behind them. It's just business and I don't think Mina gave himself a fair shake. Another example would be in the early '70s when 2 outstanding light heavies came out of Argentina. One - Jorge Ahumada - went to NY. The other - Avenamar Peralta - went to Europe. Ahumada signed on with a good trainer in Gil Clancy, took on all the hot talent in Hal Carroll, Billy Wagner, Andy Kendall and Bobby Cassidy and got himself a title shot (3 actually). Whereas Peralta stayed very busy, beating an enormous amount of European light heavies, got nowhere and eventually was knocked out by journeyman Tom Bethea. Mina had one fight in NY, beating Henry Hank, looked poised for a title shot after a couple more of these type of wins, but it was not to be. He went back to Peru where he rotted on the vine like Peralta. Perhaps it wasn't a choice. Perhaps there was Visa problems. I don't know, but this has nothing to where one feels comfortable. It is a business which is about furthering yourself any which way you can.AntonioMartin wrote: ↑14 May 2021, 00:04Ring en Espanol had plenty of articles about him from the first issue I bought in January of 1983 to the coming off the stands one in October of 1985.BoxBuzz wrote: ↑09 May 2021, 14:46 Webb is an interesting choice....I would not disagree.
Here's one for serious consideration.....Mauro Mina. Two great obstacles kept him from greatness....his Peruvian roots prevented him from gaining greater public awareness....and a bit of a problem with his eyesight at at time you could consider him in his prime.
Had he had the chance.....like some others on this list....more of you would know who I am talking about. He was a LHW......he does have a wiki page...if you want some more info.
I practically thought of him as a world champion!!
I was more impressed with Gaspar Ortega and Isaac Logart of that era.elmersalsa wrote: ↑17 May 2021, 08:26 How about this guy at #45? Del Flanagan
He beat the great Sandy Saddler in a ten rounder by decision.
He also beat the great Beau Jack, Willie Pastrano, Johnny Saxton and Ralph Dupas to name a few.
He beat 8 world champions and 4 hall of famers. I think that, that is impressive!
Record: 104-22-2 (1NC), with 37KOs
Why not Del Flanagan? What is about him that you was not impressed. I am guessing that you was around in that era.scartissue wrote: ↑17 May 2021, 15:34I was more impressed with Gaspar Ortega and Isaac Logart of that era.elmersalsa wrote: ↑17 May 2021, 08:26 How about this guy at #45? Del Flanagan
He beat the great Sandy Saddler in a ten rounder by decision.
He also beat the great Beau Jack, Willie Pastrano, Johnny Saxton and Ralph Dupas to name a few.
He beat 8 world champions and 4 hall of famers. I think that, that is impressive!
Record: 104-22-2 (1NC), with 37KOs
It's not that I wasn't impressed by him, but for matters of a top 50, I just don't think he was better than Ortega or Logart.elmersalsa wrote: ↑17 May 2021, 21:41Why not Del Flanagan? What is about him that you was not impressed. I am guessing that you was around in that era.scartissue wrote: ↑17 May 2021, 15:34I was more impressed with Gaspar Ortega and Isaac Logart of that era.elmersalsa wrote: ↑17 May 2021, 08:26 How about this guy at #45? Del Flanagan
He beat the great Sandy Saddler in a ten rounder by decision.
He also beat the great Beau Jack, Willie Pastrano, Johnny Saxton and Ralph Dupas to name a few.
He beat 8 world champions and 4 hall of famers. I think that, that is impressive!
Record: 104-22-2 (1NC), with 37KOs