CANELO: BEST EVER? OR AM I TOO EARLY?

[snake33]

Canelo is good but as long as Mayweather exists and/or existed he will never be best.
Canelo may be slightly better than GGG. How about that.

Roy Jones or Sugar Ray Robinson would have beat Canelo in their prime.
And at least several more.

But Conelo is good. So there you go.

[Bandog]

Canelo is very good, no doubt about that. He has had some careful matchmaking, but his resume is strong. Remember he had over 40 professional fights prior to getting schooled by a past his best 36yr old, so the too young and inexperienced excuse is lame. Saying Floyd was too old makes more sense. Not even close to the best ever, imo.

[margaret thatcher]

Canelo is very good, no doubt about that. He has had some careful matchmaking, but his resume is strong. Remember he had over 40 professional fights prior to getting schooled by a past his best 36yr old, so the too young and inexperienced excuse is lame. Saying Floyd was too old makes more sense. Not even close to the best ever, imo.

floyd! floyd! floyd!

manny sticks needles up his butt!

floyd!

[Cyclops]

He's nowhere near in the conversation for GOAT.

Catchweights, failed drug tests, iffy decisions, mediocre competition.

His best win was an old GGG and he'd clearly waited him out to look vulnerable against Jacobs, and even then only got a draw. Where will GGG figure on the ATG list?

If he'd actually lost the first GGG fight on the cards like he should have, and then gotten the nod in the rematch which was closer, then I'd be more accommodating to the guy. But he always has everything stacked in his favour. We'll have to see what he does in the rest of his career, but his best win is GGG, who beat him in all truth, and I can't put GGG into even a top 10 ATG list.

So yeah, too early mate. Way too early.

[Enlightened-One]

He's nowhere near in the conversation for GOAT.

Catchweights, failed drug tests, iffy decisions, mediocre competition.

His best win was an old GGG and he'd clearly waited him out to look vulnerable against Jacobs, and even then only got a draw.

So yeah, too early mate. Way too early.

You make Canelo sound like a journeyman! FFS!

[Cyclops]

He's nowhere near in the conversation for GOAT.

Catchweights, failed drug tests, iffy decisions, mediocre competition.

His best win was an old GGG and he'd clearly waited him out to look vulnerable against Jacobs, and even then only got a draw.

So yeah, too early mate. Way too early.

You make Canelo sound like a journeyman! FFS!

Please expand.

[Enlightened-One]

He's nowhere near in the conversation for GOAT.

Catchweights, failed drug tests, iffy decisions, mediocre competition.

His best win was an old GGG and he'd clearly waited him out to look vulnerable against Jacobs, and even then only got a draw.

So yeah, too early mate. Way too early.

You make Canelo sound like a journeyman! FFS!

Please expand.

No need to state the obvious.

People can read YOUR words for themselves and draw their own conclusions.

[Cyclops]

You make Canelo sound like a journeyman! FFS!

Please expand.

No need to state the obvious.

People can read YOUR words for themselves and draw their own conclusions.

You need to expand because I've never said Canelo was anything like journeyman status (he's clearly at a very high level- pretty much unbeatable at this point I'd say) and stated the truth when saying he waited until GGG was older before taking him on and only got a draw because he had the judges in his pocket.

Saying I'd described Canelo as a journeyman and adding a bit of hysteria to it ("FFS") needs a bit of explaining, because I never said that. Nobody read MY words and came to that conclusion.

What is it about my post that you dislike so much? It's my honest opinion.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Hes a hall of fame fighter in his prime and keeps improving

Heck of a resume

Enjoy the show.

[Enlightened-One]

Please expand.

No need to state the obvious.

People can read YOUR words for themselves and draw their own conclusions.

You need to expand because I've never said Canelo was anything like journeyman status (he's clearly at a very high level- pretty much unbeatable at this point I'd say) and stated the truth when saying he waited until GGG was older before taking him on and only got a draw because he had the judges in his pocket.

Saying I'd described Canelo as a journeyman and adding a bit of hysteria to it ("FFS") needs a bit of explaining, because I never said that. Nobody read MY words and came to that conclusion.

What is it about my post that you dislike so much? It's my honest opinion.

I didn’t particularly dislike your post, but your criticism of Canelo portrayed him as an overachieving journeyman!

Read your own words again!

He's nowhere near in the conversation for GOAT.

Catchweights, failed drug tests, iffy decisions, mediocre competition.

His best win was an old GGG and he'd clearly waited him out to look vulnerable against Jacobs, and even then only got a draw.

So yeah, too early mate. Way too early.

No need to state the obvious by saying more.

People can read YOUR words for themselves and draw their own conclusions.

[Cyclops]

No need to state the obvious.

People can read YOUR words for themselves and draw their own conclusions.

You need to expand because I've never said Canelo was anything like journeyman status (he's clearly at a very high level- pretty much unbeatable at this point I'd say) and stated the truth when saying he waited until GGG was older before taking him on and only got a draw because he had the judges in his pocket.

Saying I'd described Canelo as a journeyman and adding a bit of hysteria to it ("FFS") needs a bit of explaining, because I never said that. Nobody read MY words and came to that conclusion.

What is it about my post that you dislike so much? It's my honest opinion.

I didn’t particularly dislike your post, but your criticism of Canelo portrayed him as an overachieving journeyman!

Read your own words again!

He's nowhere near in the conversation for GOAT.

Catchweights, failed drug tests, iffy decisions, mediocre competition.

His best win was an old GGG and he'd clearly waited him out to look vulnerable against Jacobs, and even then only got a draw.

So yeah, too early mate. Way too early.

No need to state the obvious by saying more.

People can read YOUR words for themselves and draw their own conclusions.

Alright.

Catchweights, failed drug tests, iffy decisions, some very mediocre competition.

[Ricky]

I think he's a truly brilliant fighter, but goats a bit much. I also think he's improved significantly since the whole beef scandal which gives him a bit of an asterik.

[coneye]

Is he good my oath he is ,, But personaly don't like him , and at this stage i would not put him right up there ,,, When he lost he lost to a what was it 35-36 year old Floyd ,, and he had already had 40 plus wins ,

Since then his opponents have had to put up with Peds and tainted meat ,, Canelo weights , rehydration clauses , , being a little bit too old and past it ,,, Then theres been a few who just like Saunders were only champions because they had promoters managing to get them easy titles ,,, For real who really thinks Saunders and Plant would be champions if they had to meet Charlo ,, GGG , or Canelo to win there belt .

Good boxer ,,, nope not good great ,,, but all time great no way ,,, best managed boxer ,, for sure , theres where the true greatness comes in , from his management

[lazboy]

Really sick of hearing about the Mayweather loss.

[Thomastearns]

Is he good my oath he is ,, But personaly don't like him , and at this stage i would not put him right up there ,,, When he lost he lost to a what was it 35-36 year old Floyd ,, and he had already had 40 plus wins ,

Since then his opponents have had to put up with Peds and tainted meat ,, Canelo weights , rehydration clauses , , being a little bit too old and past it ,,, Then theres been a few who just like Saunders were only champions because they had promoters managing to get them easy titles ,,, For real who really thinks Saunders and Plant would be champions if they had to meet Charlo ,, GGG , or Canelo to win there belt .

Good boxer ,,, nope not good great ,,, but all time great no way ,,, best managed boxer ,, for sure , theres where the true greatness comes in , from his management

Canelo, like Mayweather before him has rewritten the guidemap on how to best navigate the hidden untamed savage jungle business of quality meat production, I mean the sport of modern boxing.

His renowned love of beef might have taken its toll but his bank balance is all the better for it.

Nice to also see the fawning love that those smiling cattle traders Eddie and particularly Mauricio were so keen to bestow upon upon the beloved $aul.

As they say, when you enter the world of pro boxing, protect yourself at all times.

[thereverend]

Canelo's a great fighter, probably p4p #1 right now. It's hard to believe he's only 30, in the prime of his career. Great resume, his two best wins were the controversial ones over GGG. Which still count on the record. If he'd taken the loss he deserved in the first fight and got the decision in the 2nd fight (or vice versa) it would be a better situation for everybody. Including boxing. The tie breaker would be a money maker and draw all sorts of interest. For the talk about fighting Mayweather 'before he was ready' he isn't talking about how he bided his time to take his shot at GGG.

It's actually scary to think about what he could accomplish over the next ten years, especially if he juices. Along with a determined attitude, training, and diet which have been shown to combat age well. In a normal boxing era I'd expect the decline to begin in another year or two. GGG is an example of a modern career aging progression of a great fighter who probably doesn't juice. Already losing it bit by bit by the time he was 32, 33, 34.

I'd expect only another year or two at the top before the decline sets in, but with juice and careful handling he could cruise to his late 30s. Beterbiev would be an interesting fight. Kovalev was too old, lazy, and slow to take advantage of it but Canelo picks his spots carefully. It seems like a quick active power puncher could be his undoing but it could be a while before someone that good comes along. And even longer before Canelo makes the mistake (or challenge!) of fighting him.

[world ranked]

How can you be the best every and you lose 12-0 to someone. Knockouts can be excused I guess but being outclassed like that you can still be an ATG which he is but not TBE.

[candyslim]

Que?

[bobcatbox]

Roy Jones or Sugar Ray Robinson would have beat Canelo in their prime.
And at least several more.

But Conelo is good. So there you go.

I’ve not watched much SRR film so I don’t have an opinion there, but I agree 100% that prime Roy would’ve ripped Canelo at any weight. That’s due in some part to it being a stylistically bad fight for Canelo. RJJ would own him.

As time goes on we should all be amazed by Mayweather’s victory over a young Canelo. He may have spent most of his older years fighting guys that were past their prime, and there’s no question he got Canelo before his prime, but that is simply an amazing victory given May’s age at the time.

Canelo is already a bonafide hall of famed. He could retire right now and get in first ballot. Whether he’s an all time great (like top ten-twenty in the history of the sport) depends on what he does at Light Heavy. To go from 154 to 175 and dominate every rung of the ladder makes you an ATG.

The GGG fights and beef scandal will always be a stain on his legacy. We’re all disappointed that it never went to a trilogy. It’s nice to see him moving forward though. I’ve been a Canelo fan for a while and will continue to do so. He’s the future of boxing for now, and there’s no changing that.

[Onetimeonly]

He's a top 10 Mexican for sure, maybe top 5. Definite first ballot hof, but nowhere near Floyd or Manny.