Fury-Wilder III (24th July, Las Vegas)

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Isn't this a Fury-Wilder III prediction thread?

FURY 2.5-1 over WILDER(betonline)--- think this line is too wide---should be excellent entertainment !

why too wide when fury 60-52'd him in their last fight and is yet to lose to him in 2 meetings?

2.5 is hardly huge or anything like that

Good fury value if anything. That rematch wasnt close and wilder is a one trick pony (granted its a hell of a trick)

[Cyclops]

Got a feeing Usyk would beat Joshua and ruin the big Fury showdown, Joshua hasn't got the best of chins and his stamina is suspect, Usyk could take him in the latter rounds. It's now or never for the Fury vs Joshua showdown I suspect.

ridiculous

Is it !? Why ?

Way back I was predicting Usyk would unify Cruiserweight and then move up and beat Joshua. As of now I think that's highly unlikely. He's aged and isn't big enough. He was a brilliant Cruiser but he really is too small.

[gilgamesh]

ridiculous

Is it !? Why ?

Way back I was predicting Usyk would unify Cruiserweight and then move up and beat Joshua. As of now I think that's highly unlikely. He's aged and isn't big enough. He was a brilliant Cruiser but he really is too small.

It ain't the "too small" that's gonna stop him. It's the "Too injury prone"

[Kronkpride]

These guys could do it 10 times in a row and it is always must see TV. Literally anything can happen.

I'm glad Wilder got the 3rd shot. He held that strap for so long and the contract was there for the 3rd before they fought. It would be nuts to not go try to get the belt back. And Joshua does not deserve the fight until Wilder/Fury is cleaned up. Joshua was hammer timed by Ruiz and then ran for a UD when Andy came in fatter than the first time. I still rate Ruiz ahead of Joshua as his win is stellar compared to Joshua's in their series. I hope to see Andy get his 3rd shot someday but he will have to earn his later. Wilder's shot here was earned before he ever lost. This is the right match to make.

[dickbelden]

These guys could do it 10 times in a row and it is always must see TV. Literally anything can happen.

I'm glad Wilder got the 3rd shot. He held that strap for so long and the contract was there for the 3rd before they fought. It would be nuts to not go try to get the belt back. And Joshua does not deserve the fight until Wilder/Fury is cleaned up. Joshua was hammer timed by Ruiz and then ran for a UD when Andy came in fatter than the first time. I still rate Ruiz ahead of Joshua as his win is stellar compared to Joshua's in their series. I hope to see Andy get his 3rd shot someday but he will have to earn his later. Wilder's shot here was earned before he ever lost. This is the right match to make.

this is correct.

[Evander]

At this point nothing matters most in the Heavyweight Division than Tyson Fury v Anthony Joshua.
That's the number 1 fight no question about it.
Wilder has to take a back seat, his time in the spotlight will come again just not now.

[margaret thatcher]

These guys could do it 10 times in a row and it is always must see TV. Literally anything can happen.

I'm glad Wilder got the 3rd shot. He held that strap for so long and the contract was there for the 3rd before they fought. It would be nuts to not go try to get the belt back. And Joshua does not deserve the fight until Wilder/Fury is cleaned up. Joshua was hammer timed by Ruiz and then ran for a UD when Andy came in fatter than the first time. I still rate Ruiz ahead of Joshua as his win is stellar compared to Joshua's in their series. I hope to see Andy get his 3rd shot someday but he will have to earn his later. Wilder's shot here was earned before he ever lost. This is the right match to make.

this is correct.

they should just keep fighting until deontay wins, am i right

or even if he doesn't

future thread prediction: when will FURY vs WILDER 4 happen??

[H8Usernames]

All this criticism.... it's childish.

Fury and Wilder wrote their names on a piece of paper. That piece of paper gave them both rights as well as obligations. If you had taken on obligations while at the same time acquiring certain rights would you not demand that your rights be honored?

Or is Wilder supposed to be like a generous noble person and not pursue his rights for like "the good of the sport" or some nonsense like that?

[cormack]

Fury will destroy the big dosser in the same fashion. If this mismatch happens now instead of Fury-Joshua, hopefully The Gypsy King mangles Wilder so hard, that Deontay spends all earned money on doctors.

yes

[skanksta]

Usyk beating Joshua " could take him in the latter rounds "

its frankly ludicrous to me !

I should point out I am a big fan of both fighters and if it happens will of course watch it but AJ will stop him pre 6 - unless he fancies a longer work out before going for the big one .

The idea that AJ is certain to dispatch Usyk in 5 or less is more ridiculous than his idea that Usyk can make a competitive fight for a while.

Well if the fight happens then we shall see

Yes, can't wait - even AJ vs Usyk would be a good fight.

Are you saying that AJ wins easily in style within 5 rounds and you consider any other result "ludicrous" ?

[skanksta]

These guys could do it 10 times in a row and it is always must see TV. Literally anything can happen.

I'm glad Wilder got the 3rd shot. He held that strap for so long and the contract was there for the 3rd before they fought. It would be nuts to not go try to get the belt back. And Joshua does not deserve the fight until Wilder/Fury is cleaned up. Joshua was hammer timed by Ruiz and then ran for a UD when Andy came in fatter than the first time. I still rate Ruiz ahead of Joshua as his win is stellar compared to Joshua's in their series. I hope to see Andy get his 3rd shot someday but he will have to earn his later. Wilder's shot here was earned before he ever lost. This is the right match to make.

That's great KP.
It's nice to know you're insane about boxing as well as everything else !

[Kronkpride]

These guys could do it 10 times in a row and it is always must see TV. Literally anything can happen.

I'm glad Wilder got the 3rd shot. He held that strap for so long and the contract was there for the 3rd before they fought. It would be nuts to not go try to get the belt back. And Joshua does not deserve the fight until Wilder/Fury is cleaned up. Joshua was hammer timed by Ruiz and then ran for a UD when Andy came in fatter than the first time. I still rate Ruiz ahead of Joshua as his win is stellar compared to Joshua's in their series. I hope to see Andy get his 3rd shot someday but he will have to earn his later. Wilder's shot here was earned before he ever lost. This is the right match to make.

That's great KP.
It's nice to know you're insane about boxing as well as everything else !

As a former long time contractor who never once did not honor an agreed to contract....F you. A deal is a deal once it is made even if a better opportunity comes along for either or both sides. As a title challenger Fury got a fairly friendly contract where both men had the ability to demand a rematch. That is highly unusual for a challenger. Fury is a highly unusual challenger as the real undefeated HW champ of the world. But he signed the deal which went both ways.

The reality of Fury and Joshua is that neither camp should have ever even negotiated until Wilder was out of the way contractually in a fully resolved fashion in the legal system. To have done so is not honorable to the sport or anybody in it. Contract law is a primary basis of boxing and it is very inappropriate to try and skirt it. You win your way out in court or you buy your way out or you honor the contracts you signed. You do that before you start contract negotiations with another party for the slot you already made a contractual agreement on.

I like Fury quite a bit but bahumbug to him and his team as well as Joshua and Hearn for going about all of this in a very wrong way. I think Wilder is an ultra dickhead but that contract must be honored. .

[dickbelden]

These guys could do it 10 times in a row and it is always must see TV. Literally anything can happen.

I'm glad Wilder got the 3rd shot. He held that strap for so long and the contract was there for the 3rd before they fought. It would be nuts to not go try to get the belt back. And Joshua does not deserve the fight until Wilder/Fury is cleaned up. Joshua was hammer timed by Ruiz and then ran for a UD when Andy came in fatter than the first time. I still rate Ruiz ahead of Joshua as his win is stellar compared to Joshua's in their series. I hope to see Andy get his 3rd shot someday but he will have to earn his later. Wilder's shot here was earned before he ever lost. This is the right match to make.

That's great KP.
It's nice to know you're insane about boxing as well as everything else !

As a former long time contractor who never once did not honor an agreed to contract....F you. A deal is a deal once it is made even if a better opportunity comes along for either or both sides. As a title challenger Fury got a fairly friendly contract where both men had the ability to demand a rematch. That is highly unusual for a challenger. Fury is a highly unusual challenger as the real undefeated HW champ of the world. But he signed the deal which went both ways.

The reality of Fury and Joshua is that neither camp should have ever even negotiated until Wilder was out of the way contractually in a fully resolved fashion in the legal system. To have done so is not honorable to the sport or anybody in it. Contract law is a primary basis of boxing and it is very inappropriate to try and skirt it. You win your way out in court or you buy your way out or you honor the contracts you signed. You do that before you start contract negotiations with another party for the slot you already made a contractual agreement on.

I like Fury quite a bit but bahumbug to him and his team as well as Joshua and Hearn for going about all of this in a very wrong way. I think Wilder is an ultra dickhead but that contract must be honored. .

CORRECT---a deal is a deal---a man's word is his bond---the 3rd fight must happen NOW---FURY is 2.5-1(bet online)today---LET's GET IT ON !

[ironbeard]

There’s a real fight this weekend between two consummate professional boxers who are proud, humble and putting it all on the line in their primes against the best their division has to offer.

Tell your casual fan friends and family. Scream it from your rooftops.

Hallelujah!! Boxing is alive and well in the form of...

Ramirez v Taylor

Let the big uglies cat fight in the corner for this weekend.

[cormack]

The idea that AJ is certain to dispatch Usyk in 5 or less is more ridiculous than his idea that Usyk can make a competitive fight for a while.

Well if the fight happens then we shall see

Yes, can't wait - even AJ vs Usyk would be a good fight.

Are you saying that AJ wins easily in style within 5 rounds and you consider any other result "ludicrous" ?

what I said I thought was ludicrous is " Usyk takes him in the latter rounds "
He just lacks the pop to deal with proper HW `s , vs Chisora he was coming on strong in the 8th / 9th cant remember exactly and just couldnt put enough onto his punches to stop him , then the bell goes and the moment is lost .
If he comes on strong with AJ then he gets battered along the lines of Pulev with multiple trips to the canvas .

But I believe actually AJ will be hunting him after a few rounds of feeling each other out and will go for it in style in 4/5 maybe 6 .

[Kronkpride]

People should also remember why we are here.

Fury failed to give Wlad his rematch when he spun out of control. That failure set up Joshua vs Wlad. Then Joshua vs Wilder was never seriously sought by either side and Fury stepped up to get the ball rolling.

If Fury honored that contract everything is different today. Joshua already got benefited quite a bit by a broken contract as he got to fight Martin and then Wlad because of it.

If Fury was able to dodge both rematches Joshua would really be unfairly benefitted by it. His whole career path would be more about Fury's broken contracts than Joshua's actual ability. As it is Joshua already has benefited enough and the only right thing is for Wilder to get his contract honored and Usyk to get his mandatory opportunity. Winners match up for the whole ball of wax afterwards.

[Thomastearns]

People should also remember why we are here.

Fury failed to give Wlad his rematch when he spun out of control. That failure set up Joshua vs Wlad. Then Joshua vs Wilder was never seriously sought by either side and Fury stepped up to get the ball rolling.

If Fury honored that contract everything is different today. Joshua already got benefited quite a bit by a broken contract as he got to fight Martin and then Wlad because of it.

If Fury was able to dodge both rematches Joshua would really be unfairly benefitted by it. His whole career path would be more about Fury's broken contracts than Joshua's actual ability. As it is Joshua already has benefited enough and the only right thing is for Wilder to get his contract honored and Usyk to get his mandatory opportunity. Winners match up for the whole ball of wax afterwards.

So true and so correct, and this is how it should be, but let's not forget were not dealing with honourable people here.

We're dealing with some very deceptively devious people here, and there is an almost unimaginably large pot of money they're fighting over here.

Let's not also forget that Anthony Joshua, give or take the odd careless Twitter remark, like both of the Klitschko's before him, is one of the more decent people in this sport.

He won his titles legitimately and certainly cannot be held accountable for the antics of Fury and Wilder, who now increasingly seem to deserve each other.



“There are too many governing bodies. They're all corrupt. I think they have replaced the old Mobsters with the kind of 'corporate rule' of boxing.”

-Larry Merchant

[squiggy]

I think it's fair play to Joshua to note, though, that he beat a version of Wlad that was clearly working his ass off trying to win the fight.
Also, can someone please just pat Wilder on the head and say "yes, yes, you're the real champ, we still believe in you, bomb squad and all that," and maybe just distract him and get him to go away.

[skanksta]

Well if the fight happens then we shall see

Yes, can't wait - even AJ vs Usyk would be a good fight.

Are you saying that AJ wins easily in style within 5 rounds and you consider any other result "ludicrous" ?

what I said I thought was ludicrous is " Usyk takes him in the latter rounds "
He just lacks the pop to deal with proper HW `s , vs Chisora he was coming on strong in the 8th / 9th cant remember exactly and just couldnt put enough onto his punches to stop him , then the bell goes and the moment is lost .
If he comes on strong with AJ then he gets battered along the lines of Pulev with multiple trips to the canvas .

But I believe actually AJ will be hunting him after a few rounds of feeling each other out and will go for it in style in 4/5 maybe 6 .

Ohhh.
Still not quite "ludicrous" for me, but yeah fine. I think it's more "unlikely."

[JxhDel.]

The best thing about this, I suppose "useless" rematch, is having Joshua vs. Usyk in exchange.

[Lenny Cravats]

Logically, I know Fury wins. I don’t think Wilder barely won a round when he didn’t knock Fury down, and he certainly would have lost at least one of those rounds had that not happened. Still... Punchers make me nervous.

[allworld80]

Fury is the better fighter here. Everyone knows that. Nothing wrong with a 3rd fight either. AJ should be happy if anything. It gives him more time before Tyson beats him.

[thereverend]

but let's not forget were not dealing with honourable people here.

We're dealing with some very deceptively devious people here,

Thieves. That's the common term for what they are, if they had to live in regular 'civilized' society. They steal and lie to earn their bread.

[Kronkpride]

Logically, I know Fury wins. I don’t think Wilder barely won a round when he didn’t knock Fury down, and he certainly would have lost at least one of those rounds had that not happened. Still... Punchers make me nervous.

They are both capable guys. I think Fury edged the first fight slightly despite the knock downs but that was a near miracle to get up from that shit that probably blows every other door off at every other time. Fury had to rise like the Undertaker just to get that 2nd fight....that came with a 3rd locked in.

In the rematch Fury said he was coming right at him. Most thought he was lying and Wilder probably did too. He got to Wilder early and Wilder just didn't seem to have much that night for whatever reason. But that was like a German Blitzkrieg. That shit works great the first time when it is a surprise. Wilder will be more prepared for that tactic in the 3rd fight. And I doubt he can come in with less than he seemed to come in for the 2nd.

There is no telling what can happen as if Wilder can connect with a big bomb early in the fight while he has good legs he can end Fury. Fury is a bad man...very durable and the most crafty and skilled guy there is at HW...but Wilder has the goods to smash him nonetheless. His power is the real deal and it is the only thing that has ever came close to beating Fury. Wlad has good power too but not the same league. He has a ton more skill than Wilder but he got hypnotized and never threatened Fury. Wilder almost put him away.

I know people rate the Wlad fights both ways and many prefer the fireworks show in the Joshua fight over the master class boxing lesson Fury gave him but Wlad almost put Joshua away. I think he could have though and needed to go finish him when he had him. Nothing to lose and everything to gain back there....Wlad struck out on tactics but was still very impressive showing his heart there at his elevated age. The Fury fight to me is more impressive. Wlad had won so many rounds and beaten guys almost single handedly at times in a literal sense with his jab. Wlad was a long time dominant master boxer and Fury schooled him to perfection.

I still think Fury vs Wilder is the best fight. All of the top skills in the division are in that ring barring top chin and Joshua is safe to say below both in chin or at least is IMO. Wilder has the top power skill. Fury has the top boxing ability and boxing IQ skills. The skills and IQ won once. The power came so close to winning and kept him his title once. This is not a lopsided series or fight. This is a dangerous and competitive fight and should be one of the great trilogies. Nothing to whine about here at all with this fight.

[lazboy]

Logically, I know Fury wins. I don’t think Wilder barely won a round when he didn’t knock Fury down, and he certainly would have lost at least one of those rounds had that not happened. Still... Punchers make me nervous.

They are both capable guys. I think Fury edged the first fight slightly despite the knock downs but that was a near miracle to get up from that shit that probably blows every other door off at every other time. Fury had to rise like the Undertaker just to get that 2nd fight....that came with a 3rd locked in.

In the rematch Fury said he was coming right at him. Most thought he was lying and Wilder probably did too. He got to Wilder early and Wilder just didn't seem to have much that night for whatever reason. But that was like a German Blitzkrieg. That shit works great the first time when it is a surprise. Wilder will be more prepared for that tactic in the 3rd fight. And I doubt he can come in with less than he seemed to come in for the 2nd.

There is no telling what can happen as if Wilder can connect with a big bomb early in the fight while he has good legs he can end Fury. Fury is a bad man...very durable and the most crafty and skilled guy there is at HW...but Wilder has the goods to smash him nonetheless. His power is the real deal and it is the only thing that has ever came close to beating Fury. Wlad has good power too but not the same league. He has a ton more skill than Wilder but he got hypnotized and never threatened Fury. Wilder almost put him away.

I know people rate the Wlad fights both ways and many prefer the fireworks show in the Joshua fight over the master class boxing lesson Fury gave him but Wlad almost put Joshua away. I think he could have though and needed to go finish him when he had him. Nothing to lose and everything to gain back there....Wlad struck out on tactics but was still very impressive showing his heart there at his elevated age. The Fury fight to me is more impressive. Wlad had won so many rounds and beaten guys almost single handedly at times in a literal sense with his jab. Wlad was a long time dominant master boxer and Fury schooled him to perfection.

I still think Fury vs Wilder is the best fight. All of the top skills in the division are in that ring barring top chin and Joshua is safe to say below both in chin or at least is IMO. Wilder has the top power skill. Fury has the top boxing ability and boxing IQ skills. The skills and IQ won once. The power came so close to winning and kept him his title once. This is not a lopsided series or fight. This is a dangerous and competitive fight and should be one of the great trilogies. Nothing to whine about here at all with this fight.

Fair points. Wilder also has had well over a year to work off the damage the costume did to his body. I'm betting Wilder will never be as good as he was pre-costume but maybe he's had a chance to reverse some of the damage with the time off and with the advanced medical techniques available today.