candyslim wrote: ↑17 May 2021, 05:53 I should just make clear that what I said above about Wilder's status as a warrior refers to his behaviour outside the ring, his empty boasting, his avoiding challenges, his unambitious resume.
Nobody could reasonably criticise his courage, his toughness, and his fighting spirit when he's in there fighting. In that sense he is very much the warrior.
H8Usernames wrote: ↑16 May 2021, 17:36Hearn made offers to Deontay but none to Fury. These offers were on the assumption that Joshua was some A++ side of the deal which he wasn't.candyslim wrote: ↑16 May 2021, 17:05Joshua didn't avoid Fury. Hearn made massive offers to both Wilder and Fury but they decided to fight each other instead, and in the words of Deontay Wilder "Freeze Joshua out". Has Joshua given you any reason to think he is not serious about fighting Fury this Summer? Any negativity about this fight actually happening, and there has been plenty, has been exclusively and conspicuously from team Fury. If Joshua didn't want to fight Fury why is this undisputed unification fight happening now - did he change his mind?H8Usernames wrote: ↑16 May 2021, 15:25
AJ avoided Fury and was praying that Wilder would beat him. AJ has unfinished business with Andy Ruiz. Wilder has fought anyone and everyone brave enough to fight him and would stand a 50% chance of beating AJ.
Joshua has always been about undisputed from the get go. He doesn't go in for mind games, he just gets on with business, what you see is what you get. Joshua's resume looks like a who's who of top heavyweights. You don't build a resume like that by avoiding tough opponents and if you weren't consumed by hatred for Joshua you might start judging these guys by what they do rather than what they boast about doing.
AJ didn't want this fight. After Fury beat Wilder twice decisively then AJ pretty much had no other choice than to either publicly admit Fury's supremacy over the HW division and his own status as a joke or to get it done.
But let's get back to the original question. Why mock Wilder? Is it because you're jealous of how appealing he is to the ladies?
Wilder is a warrior and a great fighter. Much greater than AJ who barely beat Wlad and lost to Ruiz. Lennox and even maybe Vitali would have beat that fellow.
Spouting stuff is fun. Show me some references to offers made to Fury by the Joshua camp pre Fury vs Deontay I. Prove me wrong.BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote: ↑17 May 2021, 19:28H8Usernames wrote: ↑16 May 2021, 17:36Hearn made offers to Deontay but none to Fury. These offers were on the assumption that Joshua was some A++ side of the deal which he wasn't.candyslim wrote: ↑16 May 2021, 17:05
Joshua didn't avoid Fury. Hearn made massive offers to both Wilder and Fury but they decided to fight each other instead, and in the words of Deontay Wilder "Freeze Joshua out". Has Joshua given you any reason to think he is not serious about fighting Fury this Summer? Any negativity about this fight actually happening, and there has been plenty, has been exclusively and conspicuously from team Fury. If Joshua didn't want to fight Fury why is this undisputed unification fight happening now - did he change his mind?
Joshua has always been about undisputed from the get go. He doesn't go in for mind games, he just gets on with business, what you see is what you get. Joshua's resume looks like a who's who of top heavyweights. You don't build a resume like that by avoiding tough opponents and if you weren't consumed by hatred for Joshua you might start judging these guys by what they do rather than what they boast about doing.
AJ didn't want this fight. After Fury beat Wilder twice decisively then AJ pretty much had no other choice than to either publicly admit Fury's supremacy over the HW division and his own status as a joke or to get it done.
But let's get back to the original question. Why mock Wilder? Is it because you're jealous of how appealing he is to the ladies?
Wilder is a warrior and a great fighter. Much greater than AJ who barely beat Wlad and lost to Ruiz. Lennox and even maybe Vitali would have beat that fellow.
- Dunno what feral feculent field of gypsy dreams you sprouted from, but when AJ made his American debut only to have blubber Miller flake out with multiple drug offenses, highly publicized substantial offers where made to Big Doofus and Deyonce who hadn't yet obliged to their rematch. They were seen in the industry as low laying fruit compared to the plantation riches that AJ was commanding then and now as the heir to Wlad's great legacy with ongoing unified defenses while packing near 90K into Wembley. All while "disturbed" Big Doofus was blowing up to 400 lbs and crowing to Wlad how a drug addled fatman beat him while getting stripped of all his titles. It was up to AJ who granted The Great Champion the rematch of his titles in one of the greatest fights in heavy history.
Your boy BJ's best moment was dumping a Chicken platter into Deyonce's lap before setting out like a gazelle. Deyonce skidding out after him and crashing in his own chicken grease was greater than anything he'd ever done until getting crashed by Big Doofus who at least when up and coming and still cogent was fighting 12 rd title fights while Deyonce was still swaddling in his 6 rd bigboy trainers. AJ in 12 rounders in his 14th fight. It was took Fat Andy to step up to the scratch line vs AJ, not your two dumpy zeros who instead fought each other for peanuts. I don't make this stuff up sonny, it happens
Now Big Doof still with Zer0 title defenses gets to split his 75 mil with Deyonce that represents more $$$ than their career purses combined, but then again, peanuts on the dollar is all these stink bombs worth as they continue to stink up each other with you in between. What grade they put you back or was it two grades back this year?
Tyson Fury is the lineal champion. The ABC's are worthless. This is a champion vs challenger type of fight. Fury holds 100% of the championship.candyslim wrote: ↑17 May 2021, 03:28 Of course Joshua was the 'A' side. He is the money man who has raised purses across the division. Most if not all of his opponents had their career high payday against Joshua. The only reason he has agreed 50/50 this time despite holding 75 or 80% of the belts is that he desperately wants the fight.
Hearn claimed he made offers to both. I can't prove he made offers to Fury, but it is well documented that Wilder declined. If there were any truth in your claim that Joshua didn't want to fight Fury, it would have been because Fury had no belt to offer. Now that Fury has a belt, Joshua has switched focus. He's always been consistent, it's about being undisputed champion.
Does Wilder have a following of female admirers? I thought it was only boxing fans, and a proportion of US Sports fans, who even know who he is. Fury demonstrated that by asking Americans passing by in the street.
Wilder is not a great warrior, he will always take the path of least resistance. He had no intention of fighting Dillian Whyte never mind Klitschko. His best win is over a man with a heart condition who was cherry picked as being the best option in terms of risk/ reward on account of his impressive KO of fringe-contender Bryant Jennings. What else has Ortiz done, remind me?
The first Fury fight was another cherry pick. Wilder's resume consisted of fringe-contenders, mainly top 20 rather than top 10 in the world, and it was crying out for another respectable name. Who better than a former world champion, conqueror of the mighty Klitschko, who looked then like he hadn't moved from the couch in years? I was furious with Fury for taking the fight I thought he was nowhere near being ready. Of course if he had looked ready he'd never have been offered the fight.
The only fight Wilder ever had against an elite heavyweight in peak condition, was the Fury rematch, and Fury wiped the floor with him. The "Great Warrior" has been crying about it ever since.
Give me a minute. My popcorn is still in the microwave.H8Usernames wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 16:03Tyson Fury is the lineal champion. The ABC's are worthless. This is a champion vs challenger type of fight. Fury holds 100% of the championship.candyslim wrote: ↑17 May 2021, 03:28 Of course Joshua was the 'A' side. He is the money man who has raised purses across the division. Most if not all of his opponents had their career high payday against Joshua. The only reason he has agreed 50/50 this time despite holding 75 or 80% of the belts is that he desperately wants the fight.
Hearn claimed he made offers to both. I can't prove he made offers to Fury, but it is well documented that Wilder declined. If there were any truth in your claim that Joshua didn't want to fight Fury, it would have been because Fury had no belt to offer. Now that Fury has a belt, Joshua has switched focus. He's always been consistent, it's about being undisputed champion.
Does Wilder have a following of female admirers? I thought it was only boxing fans, and a proportion of US Sports fans, who even know who he is. Fury demonstrated that by asking Americans passing by in the street.
Wilder is not a great warrior, he will always take the path of least resistance. He had no intention of fighting Dillian Whyte never mind Klitschko. His best win is over a man with a heart condition who was cherry picked as being the best option in terms of risk/ reward on account of his impressive KO of fringe-contender Bryant Jennings. What else has Ortiz done, remind me?
The first Fury fight was another cherry pick. Wilder's resume consisted of fringe-contenders, mainly top 20 rather than top 10 in the world, and it was crying out for another respectable name. Who better than a former world champion, conqueror of the mighty Klitschko, who looked then like he hadn't moved from the couch in years? I was furious with Fury for taking the fight I thought he was nowhere near being ready. Of course if he had looked ready he'd never have been offered the fight.
The only fight Wilder ever had against an elite heavyweight in peak condition, was the Fury rematch, and Fury wiped the floor with him. The "Great Warrior" has been crying about it ever since.
"Hearn made offers to Fury pre Fury vs Wilder I" show me some links or stop making that claim.
What on earth is this with "following of female admirers"? Have you never gotten laid or what? Is this something to be jealous of? I don't get it.
Wilder is a great Warrior. We are talking about a cruiserweight here that held a hw title for some time and was the only man brave enough to fight Tyson Fury. Everyone with a brain always knew that he was basically a fraud but he like most others was in the game for himself and probably his family and look at all that he achieved. Also I wouldn't put it past Wilder to beat AJ if that fight ever gets made.
To be honest I kinda believe that Fury did cheat in the rematch but I don't think that he would have needed to in order to win. I don't think that criticizing a man who was cheated against is in order just cause that man complained about the matter.
too obviousWow Slimcandyslim wrote: ↑17 May 2021, 03:28 Of course Joshua was the 'A' side. He is the money man who has raised purses across the division. Most if not all of his opponents had their career high payday against Joshua. The only reason he has agreed 50/50 this time despite holding 75 or 80% of the belts is that he desperately wants the fight.
Hearn claimed he made offers to both. I can't prove he made offers to Fury, but it is well documented that Wilder declined. If there were any truth in your claim that Joshua didn't want to fight Fury, it would have been because Fury had no belt to offer. Now that Fury has a belt, Joshua has switched focus. He's always been consistent, it's about being undisputed champion.
Does Wilder have a following of female admirers? I thought it was only boxing fans, and a proportion of US Sports fans, who even know who he is. Fury demonstrated that by asking Americans passing by in the street.
Wilder is not a great warrior, he will always take the path of least resistance. He had no intention of fighting Dillian Whyte never mind Klitschko. His best win is over a man with a heart condition who was cherry picked as being the best option in terms of risk/ reward on account of his impressive KO of fringe-contender Bryant Jennings. What else has Ortiz done, remind me?
The first Fury fight was another cherry pick. Wilder's resume consisted of fringe-contenders, mainly top 20 rather than top 10 in the world, and it was crying out for another respectable name. Who better than a former world champion, conqueror of the mighty Klitschko, who looked then like he hadn't moved from the couch in years? I was furious with Fury for taking the fight I thought he was nowhere near being ready. Of course if he had looked ready he'd never have been offered the fight.
The only fight Wilder ever had against an elite heavyweight in peak condition, was the Fury rematch, and Fury wiped the floor with him. The "Great Warrior" has been crying about it ever since.
My comments above preceded 'cs:'H8Usernames wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 16:03Tyson Fury is the lineal champion. The ABC's are worthless. This is a champion vs challenger type of fight. Fury holds 100% of the championship.candyslim wrote: ↑17 May 2021, 03:28 Of course Joshua was the 'A' side. He is the money man who has raised purses across the division. Most if not all of his opponents had their career high payday against Joshua. The only reason he has agreed 50/50 this time despite holding 75 or 80% of the belts is that he desperately wants the fight.
Hearn claimed he made offers to both. I can't prove he made offers to Fury, but it is well documented that Wilder declined. If there were any truth in your claim that Joshua didn't want to fight Fury, it would have been because Fury had no belt to offer. Now that Fury has a belt, Joshua has switched focus. He's always been consistent, it's about being undisputed champion.
Does Wilder have a following of female admirers? I thought it was only boxing fans, and a proportion of US Sports fans, who even know who he is. Fury demonstrated that by asking Americans passing by in the street.
Wilder is not a great warrior, he will always take the path of least resistance. He had no intention of fighting Dillian Whyte never mind Klitschko. His best win is over a man with a heart condition who was cherry picked as being the best option in terms of risk/ reward on account of his impressive KO of fringe-contender Bryant Jennings. What else has Ortiz done, remind me?
The first Fury fight was another cherry pick. Wilder's resume consisted of fringe-contenders, mainly top 20 rather than top 10 in the world, and it was crying out for another respectable name. Who better than a former world champion, conqueror of the mighty Klitschko, who looked then like he hadn't moved from the couch in years? I was furious with Fury for taking the fight I thought he was nowhere near being ready. Of course if he had looked ready he'd never have been offered the fight.
The only fight Wilder ever had against an elite heavyweight in peak condition, was the Fury rematch, and Fury wiped the floor with him. The "Great Warrior" has been crying about it ever since.
cs: Seriously? The man has never made a title defence 6 years after winning the title for the first time. Twice he has failed to do so despite having a signed contractual commitment.
"Hearn made offers to Fury pre Fury vs Wilder I" show me some links or stop making that claim.
cs: If you think I'm going to waste more of my time researching something I've already conceded I can't prove, in order to prove something to someone who will simply ignore it and probably make some inane comment about my sex-life instead, then you're going to be disappointed.
What on earth is this with "following of female admirers"? Have you never gotten laid or what? Is this something to be jealous of? I don't get it.
cs: I asked you if your hatred of Joshua was based on jealousy. Lacking imagination, you turned the question back on me so I was simply pointing out that the question doesn't apply in Wilder's case as far as I can tell. The argument is beyond you so you hit out with some childish insult.
Wilder is a great Warrior. We are talking about a cruiserweight here that held a hw title for some time and was the only man brave enough to fight Tyson Fury. Everyone with a brain always knew that he was basically a fraud but he like most others was in the game for himself and probably his family and look at all that he achieved. Also I wouldn't put it past Wilder to beat AJ if that fight ever gets made.
cs: He held the title for so long because his management team made damn sure he wasn't going to fight anyone dangerous. Yes he was basically a cruiserweight but he was blessed with prodigious power which was ample compensation. You think he is a fraud? So WTF are we arguing about?
Please don't talk about his bravery in taking on Fury, not in the first fight anyway. His team saw Fury as a great name to boost Deontay's resume and a guy who was in no condition to offer much of a threat. Sure there was an element of risk like there was with Ortiz, but he couldn't continue beating up people like Szpilka and Washington who had no business being in a world title fight, it was becoming embarrassing and even his admirers were beginning to ask questions.
To be honest I kinda believe that Fury did cheat in the rematch but I don't think that he would have needed to in order to win. I don't think that criticizing a man who was cheated against is in order just cause that man complained about the matter.
cs: You think Fury cheated because Wilder said he did? There is no evidence of any wrongdoing by Fury and you are embarrassing yourself by giving credence to someone who does not have the strength of character to accept his defeat like a man, and who hits out in blind spite at the man who truly cared about him, and saved him from possible permanent injury.
Lol betray. It’s such a strong word. Wilders an emotional guy.
Wilder definitely deserves the ridicule and we all deserve the entertainment from it as well. But it will benefit him as it will help sell this fight and make his 40% portion of the purse fatter. This is going to be one of the funniest lead ups to a HW Title fight of all times. It is like top of the line boxing mixed with trailer park series boxing antics. My abs are going to get a major work out laughing so much on the way to this fight.thereverend wrote: ↑19 May 2021, 06:24 I understand Wilder said a lot of stupid stuff after the 2nd fight Fury and deserves most of the ridicule he's received. But is he really as weak mentally as is being claimed? His tenacity in the 1st fight was impressive. He was obviously beaten, losing almost every round, but still had enough heart and determination to throw a bomb in the final minutes of the fight and came within a couple of seconds of winning the fight.
In the 2nd fight he was getting his ass handed to him, getting bloodied and hammered senseless by Fury. His legs were completely gone. But he was still visibly surprised and angry when his corner stopped the fight meaning he still believed it was a fight he could win. He was still determined to go the distance and had a tantrum about it after the fight. Ranting to the media, blaming his trainers, and voicing conspiracy theories. This is interpreted by his detractors as 'delusional' instead of evidence of him being 'a true warrior'. Is there a difference? There are fighters who quit the moment they see their own blood, give up as soon as they think the fight is unwinnable, who would have been happy to have the fight stopped at that point.
Strange as it is, after saying for years that Wilder was overrated, a side-show one trick pony freak, I have to say he's probably underrated at the moment. There's always the chance that this will be the time Fury blows it, loses his focus and his will to fight, and gets knocked on his ass by Wilder. Or even if he is motivated and focused he could walk into a Wilder shot and end up on the canvas. It's possible Wilder will prepare better for this fight and have a game plan of his own.
Kronkpride wrote: ↑24 May 2021, 17:08Wilder definitely deserves the ridicule and we all deserve the entertainment from it as well. But it will benefit him as it will help sell this fight and make his 40% portion of the purse fatter. This is going to be one of the funniest lead ups to a HW Title fight of all times. It is like top of the line boxing mixed with trailer park series boxing antics. My abs are going to get a major work out laughing so much on the way to this fight.thereverend wrote: ↑19 May 2021, 06:24 I understand Wilder said a lot of stupid stuff after the 2nd fight Fury and deserves most of the ridicule he's received. But is he really as weak mentally as is being claimed? His tenacity in the 1st fight was impressive. He was obviously beaten, losing almost every round, but still had enough heart and determination to throw a bomb in the final minutes of the fight and came within a couple of seconds of winning the fight.
In the 2nd fight he was getting his ass handed to him, getting bloodied and hammered senseless by Fury. His legs were completely gone. But he was still visibly surprised and angry when his corner stopped the fight meaning he still believed it was a fight he could win. He was still determined to go the distance and had a tantrum about it after the fight. Ranting to the media, blaming his trainers, and voicing conspiracy theories. This is interpreted by his detractors as 'delusional' instead of evidence of him being 'a true warrior'. Is there a difference? There are fighters who quit the moment they see their own blood, give up as soon as they think the fight is unwinnable, who would have been happy to have the fight stopped at that point.
Strange as it is, after saying for years that Wilder was overrated, a side-show one trick pony freak, I have to say he's probably underrated at the moment. There's always the chance that this will be the time Fury blows it, loses his focus and his will to fight, and gets knocked on his ass by Wilder. Or even if he is motivated and focused he could walk into a Wilder shot and end up on the canvas. It's possible Wilder will prepare better for this fight and have a game plan of his own.
As for him being mentally weak.....no. He is not accepting the loss and these are natural defense mechanisms that you want to see from any fighter after a set back. But he just went about it in the most hilarious of ways compared to how normal people do it.
I do think there is some truth in what he has said despite it being exaggerated to the comedy appeal it has now. He just wasn't right that night and that happens to everybody for all the different reasons possible. 365 or 366 days a year and every human alive has some of those days every year when you are nowhere near your best for all the varying reasons.
And he had a legit reason too. He was not prepared for Tyson Fury to come at him and right into his power to do what he did to him that night. Nobody else ever did it and everybody else tended to back off when tasting some of that power. Tyson Fury is the best HW boxer in the world with the massive reach and slickness to be the most capable man in the world right now to box and avoid taking Wilder's best shot. Even with Fury saying he was coming it didn't make sense to most people and Wilder was not among the few expecting it to actually happen like Fury was saying. He was not prepared for that at all.
That legit reason is not going to happen again. And I think he will be on a better day of the year for himself than last time too for any other reason he was under the weather that night. He has to be hungry for revenge and for regaining that most dangerous man standing he had before the beat down. He's cornered now where it is do or die for it all. Everything gets really dangerous when cornered and Wilder right now is as dangerous as it gets.
