Unpopular opinions

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Re: Unpopular opinions

Post by Cyclops »

Here's something I've been thinking recently, just because Pulev has scalped Chisora and Hughie over the past couple of years, and was a solid top 10 boxer in his prime:

Pulev is not the walkover everyone thinks he is and AJ is going to have to work to get that win.
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Re: Unpopular opinions

Post by margaret thatcher »

Pulev's not bad (nice jab...maybe take a lesson air jab Hughie) but I feel his chin up style and attributes are made for a big Josh klit style KO
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Re: Unpopular opinions

Post by Gnome »

margaret thatcher wrote: 26 Jun 2020, 18:16 Pulev's not bad (nice jab...maybe take a lesson air jab Hughie) but I feel his chin up style and attributes are made for a big Josh klit style KO
I agree, Joshua could well do a demolition job on him if he gets macho he did against Klitschko, if he wants to stand a chance he needs to box clever.
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Re: Unpopular opinions

Post by Ruthless-RKO »

Wilder's costume did impact his performance against Fury, but it's all his own fault.
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Re: Unpopular opinions

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i give wilder a great chance in the 3rd fight due to tyson inactivity and wilder power and new trainer also life always likes to spoil things.
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Liston Like Jab wrote: 28 May 2021, 08:19 Ben Davison is an excellent boxing trainer.
Hi Ben. :wave:
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Re: Unpopular opinions

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Cyclops wrote: 26 Jun 2020, 17:29 Here's something I've been thinking recently, just because Pulev has scalped Chisora and Hughie over the past couple of years, and was a solid top 10 boxer in his prime:

Pulev is not the walkover everyone thinks he is and AJ is going to have to work to get that win.
Well this aged well.
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Re: Unpopular opinions

Post by JamesPhilips »

Herol Graham is overrated. He had 3 title shots and lost them all. And got kod by tough but not spectacular Frank Grant. Unpopular but I think reasonable
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Re: Unpopular opinions

Post by maverick23 »

Liston Like Jab wrote: 28 May 2021, 09:56
maverick23 wrote: 28 May 2021, 09:42
Liston Like Jab wrote: 28 May 2021, 08:19 Ben Davison is an excellent boxing trainer.
Hi Ben. :wave:
I wish I had his hairline.
:clap: Most of us probably do!
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Re: Unpopular opinions

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Glass Joe wrote: 28 May 2021, 09:14 i give wilder a great chance in the 3rd fight due to tyson inactivity and wilder power and new trainer also life always likes to spoil things.
Wilder has had the same inactivity though.

At least Fuy's kept fit.
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Post by Ruthless-RKO »

Gnome wrote: 26 Jun 2020, 18:54
margaret thatcher wrote: 26 Jun 2020, 18:16 Pulev's not bad (nice jab...maybe take a lesson air jab Hughie) but I feel his chin up style and attributes are made for a big Josh klit style KO
I agree, Joshua could well do a demolition job on him if he gets macho he did against Klitschko, if he wants to stand a chance he needs to box clever.
:TU: :TU: :TU:
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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 28 May 2021, 11:19
Glass Joe wrote: 28 May 2021, 09:14 i give wilder a great chance in the 3rd fight due to tyson inactivity and wilder power and new trainer also life always likes to spoil things.
Wilder has had the same inactivity though.

At least Fuy's kept fit.
Wilder been fighting bears in the woods.
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Re: Unpopular opinions

Post by margaret thatcher »

JamesPhilips wrote: 28 May 2021, 10:05 Herol Graham is overrated. He had 3 title shots and lost them all. And got kod by tough but not spectacular Frank Grant. Unpopular but I think reasonable
:TU:

he's talked about like he's an atg
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margaret thatcher wrote: 28 May 2021, 12:49
JamesPhilips wrote: 28 May 2021, 10:05 Herol Graham is overrated. He had 3 title shots and lost them all. And got kod by tough but not spectacular Frank Grant. Unpopular but I think reasonable
:TU:

he's talked about like he's an atg
Right. Three shots at a world title and also lost to Kalambay for European title.
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Post by Ruthless-RKO »

JamesPhilips wrote: 28 May 2021, 12:53
margaret thatcher wrote: 28 May 2021, 12:49
JamesPhilips wrote: 28 May 2021, 10:05 Herol Graham is overrated. He had 3 title shots and lost them all. And got kod by tough but not spectacular Frank Grant. Unpopular but I think reasonable
:TU:

he's talked about like he's an atg
Right. Three shots at a world title and also lost to Kalambay for European title.
Yeh, it's like saying Martin Murray is an ATG..
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Re: Unpopular opinions

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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 28 May 2021, 12:54
JamesPhilips wrote: 28 May 2021, 12:53
margaret thatcher wrote: 28 May 2021, 12:49

:TU:

he's talked about like he's an atg
Right. Three shots at a world title and also lost to Kalambay for European title.
Yeh, it's like saying Martin Murray is an ATG..
Lol surely not that bad, lol!
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Re: Unpopular opinions

Post by handsofstone »

Not an opinion as such but if Honeyghan's win over Curry was so great because he was p4p No1 at the time, how come i never see Donald Curry anywhere near ATG lists??

Ive seen Curry a few times and of course he was a great fighter but the only time anyone mentions his greatness is in reference to Lloyd Honeyghan


Ive seen Curry 4 times, Honeyghan, Nunn, Norris and McCallum, he got knocked out by all 4
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Re: Unpopular opinions

Post by TheLeprechaun »

handsofstone wrote: 28 May 2021, 13:05 Not an opinion as such but if Honeyghan's win over Curry was so great because he was p4p No1 at the time, how come i never see Donald Curry anywhere near ATG lists??

Ive seen Curry a few times and of course he was a great fighter but the only time anyone mentions his greatness is in reference to Lloyd Honeyghan


Ive seen Curry 4 times, Honeyghan, Nunn, Norris and McCallum, he got knocked out by all 4
Curry was overrated in hindsight but at the time he was thought of like that. Mosley was p4p number 1 at one point. In hindsight he was just an overrated slugger with a lot of athleticism.
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Re: Unpopular opinions

Post by margaret thatcher »

yep
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Re: Unpopular opinions

Post by margaret thatcher »

he was very good, though i think he's one of the weaker hof-ers
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Re: Unpopular opinions

Post by margaret thatcher »

better than gatti, though bowe has a much bigger win than anything curry has
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Post by orbtastic »

He was an outstanding amateur, going reportedly 400-4 or something. The US boycott of Moscow denied him the chance of a medal.

He was clearly very good but had weight issues that basically caused his career to implode and he lost all the big ones after.

People overlook the two wins over starling who was probably the best post curry welterweight for some time.
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Re: Unpopular opinions

Post by margaret thatcher »

Liston Like Jab wrote: 28 May 2021, 15:01
margaret thatcher wrote: 28 May 2021, 14:04 better than gatti, though bowe has a much bigger win than anything curry has
He beat the number #1 in the division, then did very little else. Plenty of guys in lower weight classes have done that and they aren't in the international boxing hall of fame
an atg, top 10 hw is who he beat, and did so twice. really a fanstastic set of wins. he did beat some b level guys too. there are guys who've done a lot who aren't in , and guys who've not done so much who are in, just how it works out. either way,
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Post by banjo »

Curry had basically mopped up every credible challenge at welterweight at the time, two wins over Starling, cut Colin Jones up and obliterated McCrory. Maybe in hindsight it isn't as great a win as it felt at the time but it was still a terrific achievement by Lloyd.
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Re: Unpopular opinions

Post by margaret thatcher »

orbtastic wrote: 28 May 2021, 15:05 He was an outstanding amateur, going reportedly 400-4 or something. The US boycott of Moscow denied him the chance of a medal.

He was clearly very good but had weight issues that basically caused his career to implode and he lost all the big ones after.

People overlook the two wins over starling who was probably the best post curry welterweight for some time.
the 400-4 is bogus, even going by a partial amateur record he has around 10 documented losses
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