So if Spence not a HOF. Crawford can't be either right?

[world ranked]

So if Spence not a HOF. Crawford can't be either right? Crawford has even less names but some people p4p can't be near
HOF either.

[Enlightened-One]

So if Spence not a HOF. Crawford can't be either right? Crawford has even less names but some people p4p can't be near
HOF either.

Are you aware of Crawford’s accomplishments during his time competing below 147lbs (i.e. prior to September 2017)?

If not, then you should ask for this thread to be locked and also ask for your account to be permanently closed.

You can’t be a legitimate boxing fan and ask those sort of questions or perform bizarre comparisons.

[world ranked]

So if Spence not a HOF. Crawford can't be either right? Crawford has even less names but some people p4p can't be near
HOF either.

Are you aware of Crawford’s accomplishments during his time competing below 147lbs (i.e. prior to September 2017)?

If not, then you should ask for this thread to be locked and also ask for your account to be permanently closed.

You can’t be a legitimate boxing fan and ask those sort of questions or perform bizarre comparisons.

Who he beat to reach that accomplishment. Indongo and Burns and Postol stop playing.

[Enlightened-One]

So if Spence not a HOF. Crawford can't be either right? Crawford has even less names but some people p4p can't be near
HOF either.

Are you aware of Crawford’s accomplishments during his time competing below 147lbs (i.e. prior to September 2017)?

If not, then you should ask for this thread to be locked and also ask for your account to be permanently closed.

You can’t be a legitimate boxing fan and ask those sort of questions or perform bizarre comparisons.

Who he beat to reach that accomplishment. Indongo and Burns and Postol stop playing.

* Terence Crawford has held multiple world championships in three weight classes, including the WBO welterweight title since 2018. Previously he held the WBO, Ring magazine and lineal lightweight titles from 2014 to 2015; and the unified WBA (Super), WBC, IBF, WBO, Ring and lineal light welterweight titles between 2015 and 2017.
* Has defeated 15 opponents (12 by KO) in world title fights.
* 5 opponents (5 by KO) in World Welterweight Title fights.
* 7 opponents (6 by KO) in World Light Welterweight Title fights.
* 3 opponents (1 by KO) in World Lightweight Title fights.
* Has a record of 15-0 (12 KO) in world title fights.
* Has a record of 5-0 (3 KO) in lineal title fights.
* Has a record of 8-0 (5 KO) against former or current world titlists:
* Won against Ricky Burns, Yuriorkis Gamboa, Raymundo Beltran, Viktor Postol, Julius Indongo, Jeff Horn, Amir Khan & Kell Brook.

I’d be shocked if anyone was stupid enough to pretend that, in the context of sporting credentials, Barry McGuigan, Arturo Gatti and Ingemar Johansson are technically more worthy Hall-of-Famers than Terence Crawford is.

[world ranked]

Are you aware of Crawford’s accomplishments during his time competing below 147lbs (i.e. prior to September 2017)?

If not, then you should ask for this thread to be locked and also ask for your account to be permanently closed.

You can’t be a legitimate boxing fan and ask those sort of questions or perform bizarre comparisons.

Who he beat to reach that accomplishment. Indongo and Burns and Postol stop playing.

* Terence Crawford has held multiple world championships in three weight classes, including the WBO welterweight title since 2018. Previously he held the WBO, Ring magazine and lineal lightweight titles from 2014 to 2015; and the unified WBA (Super), WBC, IBF, WBO, Ring and lineal light welterweight titles between 2015 and 2017.
* Has defeated 15 opponents (12 by KO) in world title fights.
* 5 opponents (5 by KO) in World Welterweight Title fights.
* 7 opponents (6 by KO) in World Light Welterweight Title fights.
* 3 opponents (1 by KO) in World Lightweight Title fights.
* Has a record of 15-0 (12 KO) in world title fights.
* Has a record of 5-0 (3 KO) in lineal title fights.
* Has a record of 8-0 (5 KO) against former or current world titlists:
* Won against Ricky Burns, Yuriorkis Gamboa, Raymundo Beltran, Viktor Postol, Julius Indongo, Jeff Horn, Amir Khan & Kell Brook.

I’d be shocked if anyone was stupid enough to pretend that, in the context of sporting credentials, Barry McGuigan, Arturo Gatti and Ingemar Johansson are technically more worthy Hall-of-Famers than Terence Crawford is.

I see a whole lot of numbers with these wins
* Won against Ricky Burns, Yuriorkis Gamboa, Raymundo Beltran, Viktor Postol, Julius Indongo, Jeff Horn, Amir Khan & Kell Brook.

Now lets look at Spence resume's
*Lamont Peterson (2 division champ)
*Kell Brook (same kell brook on Crawford resume even a better version).
*Shawn Porter (2 time welterweight champ who also beat Kell Brook a better version might I add),
*Danny Garcia (another 2 division champ-who 140 run was better than Crawford and beat another Crawford Amir Khan a better more prime version).
*Mikey Garcia (3 division champ)
*Chris Algieri (former 140 champ)

So compare Crawford names to Spence name and lets see who how bizarre the comparaison and techinally see you lock your own self out of a page then act like Spence names are better fighters and that comparison is more than enough fair.
Again stop playing.

[Enlightened-One]

Who he beat to reach that accomplishment. Indongo and Burns and Postol stop playing.

* Terence Crawford has held multiple world championships in three weight classes, including the WBO welterweight title since 2018. Previously he held the WBO, Ring magazine and lineal lightweight titles from 2014 to 2015; and the unified WBA (Super), WBC, IBF, WBO, Ring and lineal light welterweight titles between 2015 and 2017.
* Has defeated 15 opponents (12 by KO) in world title fights.
* 5 opponents (5 by KO) in World Welterweight Title fights.
* 7 opponents (6 by KO) in World Light Welterweight Title fights.
* 3 opponents (1 by KO) in World Lightweight Title fights.
* Has a record of 15-0 (12 KO) in world title fights.
* Has a record of 5-0 (3 KO) in lineal title fights.
* Has a record of 8-0 (5 KO) against former or current world titlists:
* Won against Ricky Burns, Yuriorkis Gamboa, Raymundo Beltran, Viktor Postol, Julius Indongo, Jeff Horn, Amir Khan & Kell Brook.

I’d be shocked if anyone was stupid enough to pretend that, in the context of sporting credentials, Barry McGuigan, Arturo Gatti and Ingemar Johansson are technically more worthy Hall-of-Famers than Terence Crawford is.

I see a whole lot of numbers with these wins
* Won against Ricky Burns, Yuriorkis Gamboa, Raymundo Beltran, Viktor Postol, Julius Indongo, Jeff Horn, Amir Khan & Kell Brook.

Now lets look at Spence resume's
*Lamont Peterson (2 division champ)
*Kell Brook (same kell brook on Crawford resume even a better version).
*Shawn Porter (2 time welterweight champ who also beat Kell Brook a better version might I add),
*Danny Garcia (another 2 division champ-who 140 run was better than Crawford and beat another Crawford Amir Khan a better more prime version).
*Mikey Garcia (3 division champ)
*Chris Algieri (former 140 champ)

So compare Crawford names to Spence name and lets see who how bizarre the comparaison and techinally see you lock your own self out of a page then act like Spence names are better fighters and that comparison is more than enough fair.
Again stop playing.

Crawford achieved enough prior to making the jump to 147lbs to be deemed future Hall-of-Fame worthy.

Even though Spence Jr. is more accomplished at 147lbs than Crawford, Errol has achieved far less in the sport of boxing than Bud has.

If we only considered the resumes of both fighters at welterweight, neither Spence Jr. nor Crawford have achieved very much (in comparison to most welterweight Hall-of-Fame inductees).

Somebody help me out here, this guy knows nothing about boxing!

[H8Usernames]

I'd say that the best win between the two was against Yuriorkis Gamboa. Perhaps the entry requirements for that HOF are pretty low but I'd say neither man deserves to be in any such hall. With Crawford though he isn't just his own victim but also Spence's who ducked him and the pbc's that wouldn't let him fight their guys as well as Arum's who really isn't much of a promoter any more.

Bottom line though neither is HOF worthy.

[ironbeard]

Who he beat to reach that accomplishment. Indongo and Burns and Postol stop playing.

* Terence Crawford has held multiple world championships in three weight classes, including the WBO welterweight title since 2018. Previously he held the WBO, Ring magazine and lineal lightweight titles from 2014 to 2015; and the unified WBA (Super), WBC, IBF, WBO, Ring and lineal light welterweight titles between 2015 and 2017.
* Has defeated 15 opponents (12 by KO) in world title fights.
* 5 opponents (5 by KO) in World Welterweight Title fights.
* 7 opponents (6 by KO) in World Light Welterweight Title fights.
* 3 opponents (1 by KO) in World Lightweight Title fights.
* Has a record of 15-0 (12 KO) in world title fights.
* Has a record of 5-0 (3 KO) in lineal title fights.
* Has a record of 8-0 (5 KO) against former or current world titlists:
* Won against Ricky Burns, Yuriorkis Gamboa, Raymundo Beltran, Viktor Postol, Julius Indongo, Jeff Horn, Amir Khan & Kell Brook.

I’d be shocked if anyone was stupid enough to pretend that, in the context of sporting credentials, Barry McGuigan, Arturo Gatti and Ingemar Johansson are technically more worthy Hall-of-Famers than Terence Crawford is.

I see a whole lot of numbers with these wins
* Won against Ricky Burns, Yuriorkis Gamboa, Raymundo Beltran, Viktor Postol, Julius Indongo, Jeff Horn, Amir Khan & Kell Brook.

Now lets look at Spence resume's
*Lamont Peterson (2 division champ)
*Kell Brook (same kell brook on Crawford resume even a better version).
*Shawn Porter (2 time welterweight champ who also beat Kell Brook a better version might I add),
*Danny Garcia (another 2 division champ-who 140 run was better than Crawford and beat another Crawford Amir Khan a better more prime version).
*Mikey Garcia (3 division champ)
*Chris Algieri (former 140 champ)

So compare Crawford names to Spence name and lets see who how bizarre the comparaison and techinally see you lock your own self out of a page then act like Spence names are better fighters and that comparison is more than enough fair.
Again stop playing.

Porter was decisively defeated by Kell Brook.

You can argue about quality wins forever, but there is no arguing Crawford’s multi class accomplishments. Spence cannot touch that, currently.

[world ranked]

* Terence Crawford has held multiple world championships in three weight classes, including the WBO welterweight title since 2018. Previously he held the WBO, Ring magazine and lineal lightweight titles from 2014 to 2015; and the unified WBA (Super), WBC, IBF, WBO, Ring and lineal light welterweight titles between 2015 and 2017.
* Has defeated 15 opponents (12 by KO) in world title fights.
* 5 opponents (5 by KO) in World Welterweight Title fights.
* 7 opponents (6 by KO) in World Light Welterweight Title fights.
* 3 opponents (1 by KO) in World Lightweight Title fights.
* Has a record of 15-0 (12 KO) in world title fights.
* Has a record of 5-0 (3 KO) in lineal title fights.
* Has a record of 8-0 (5 KO) against former or current world titlists:
* Won against Ricky Burns, Yuriorkis Gamboa, Raymundo Beltran, Viktor Postol, Julius Indongo, Jeff Horn, Amir Khan & Kell Brook.

I’d be shocked if anyone was stupid enough to pretend that, in the context of sporting credentials, Barry McGuigan, Arturo Gatti and Ingemar Johansson are technically more worthy Hall-of-Famers than Terence Crawford is.

I see a whole lot of numbers with these wins
* Won against Ricky Burns, Yuriorkis Gamboa, Raymundo Beltran, Viktor Postol, Julius Indongo, Jeff Horn, Amir Khan & Kell Brook.

Now lets look at Spence resume's
*Lamont Peterson (2 division champ)
*Kell Brook (same kell brook on Crawford resume even a better version).
*Shawn Porter (2 time welterweight champ who also beat Kell Brook a better version might I add),
*Danny Garcia (another 2 division champ-who 140 run was better than Crawford and beat another Crawford Amir Khan a better more prime version).
*Mikey Garcia (3 division champ)
*Chris Algieri (former 140 champ)

So compare Crawford names to Spence name and lets see who how bizarre the comparaison and techinally see you lock your own self out of a page then act like Spence names are better fighters and that comparison is more than enough fair.
Again stop playing.

Porter was decisively defeated by Kell Brook.

You can argue about quality wins forever, but there is no arguing Crawford’s multi class accomplishments. Spence cannot touch that, currently.

It doesn't matter who he accomplished against I guess

[world ranked]

I'd say that the best win between the two was against Yuriorkis Gamboa. Perhaps the entry requirements for that HOF are pretty low but I'd say neither man deserves to be in any such hall. With Crawford though he isn't just his own victim but also Spence's who ducked him and the pbc's that wouldn't let him fight their guys as well as Arum's who really isn't much of a promoter any more.

Bottom line though neither is HOF worthy.

Gamboa moving up is the best win out of both resume. You need to stop.

[world ranked]

* Terence Crawford has held multiple world championships in three weight classes, including the WBO welterweight title since 2018. Previously he held the WBO, Ring magazine and lineal lightweight titles from 2014 to 2015; and the unified WBA (Super), WBC, IBF, WBO, Ring and lineal light welterweight titles between 2015 and 2017.
* Has defeated 15 opponents (12 by KO) in world title fights.
* 5 opponents (5 by KO) in World Welterweight Title fights.
* 7 opponents (6 by KO) in World Light Welterweight Title fights.
* 3 opponents (1 by KO) in World Lightweight Title fights.
* Has a record of 15-0 (12 KO) in world title fights.
* Has a record of 5-0 (3 KO) in lineal title fights.
* Has a record of 8-0 (5 KO) against former or current world titlists:
* Won against Ricky Burns, Yuriorkis Gamboa, Raymundo Beltran, Viktor Postol, Julius Indongo, Jeff Horn, Amir Khan & Kell Brook.

I’d be shocked if anyone was stupid enough to pretend that, in the context of sporting credentials, Barry McGuigan, Arturo Gatti and Ingemar Johansson are technically more worthy Hall-of-Famers than Terence Crawford is.

I see a whole lot of numbers with these wins
* Won against Ricky Burns, Yuriorkis Gamboa, Raymundo Beltran, Viktor Postol, Julius Indongo, Jeff Horn, Amir Khan & Kell Brook.

Now lets look at Spence resume's
*Lamont Peterson (2 division champ)
*Kell Brook (same kell brook on Crawford resume even a better version).
*Shawn Porter (2 time welterweight champ who also beat Kell Brook a better version might I add),
*Danny Garcia (another 2 division champ-who 140 run was better than Crawford and beat another Crawford Amir Khan a better more prime version).
*Mikey Garcia (3 division champ)
*Chris Algieri (former 140 champ)

So compare Crawford names to Spence name and lets see who how bizarre the comparaison and techinally see you lock your own self out of a page then act like Spence names are better fighters and that comparison is more than enough fair.
Again stop playing.

Crawford achieved enough prior to making the jump to 147lbs to be deemed future Hall-of-Fame worthy.

Even though Spence Jr. is more accomplished at 147lbs than Crawford, Errol has achieved far less in the sport of boxing than Bud has.

If we only considered the resumes of both fighters at welterweight, neither Spence Jr. nor Crawford have achieved very much (in comparison to most welterweight Hall-of-Fame inductees).

Somebody help me out here, this guy knows nothing about boxing!

My only debate is Spence beat the overall better fighters. Thus resume is better.

[margaret thatcher]

lol this dude and his spence hof fixation

[ALI]

* Terence Crawford has held multiple world championships in three weight classes, including the WBO welterweight title since 2018. Previously he held the WBO, Ring magazine and lineal lightweight titles from 2014 to 2015; and the unified WBA (Super), WBC, IBF, WBO, Ring and lineal light welterweight titles between 2015 and 2017.
* Has defeated 15 opponents (12 by KO) in world title fights.
* 5 opponents (5 by KO) in World Welterweight Title fights.
* 7 opponents (6 by KO) in World Light Welterweight Title fights.
* 3 opponents (1 by KO) in World Lightweight Title fights.
* Has a record of 15-0 (12 KO) in world title fights.
* Has a record of 5-0 (3 KO) in lineal title fights.
* Has a record of 8-0 (5 KO) against former or current world titlists:
* Won against Ricky Burns, Yuriorkis Gamboa, Raymundo Beltran, Viktor Postol, Julius Indongo, Jeff Horn, Amir Khan & Kell Brook.

I’d be shocked if anyone was stupid enough to pretend that, in the context of sporting credentials, Barry McGuigan, Arturo Gatti and Ingemar Johansson are technically more worthy Hall-of-Famers than Terence Crawford is.

I see a whole lot of numbers with these wins
* Won against Ricky Burns, Yuriorkis Gamboa, Raymundo Beltran, Viktor Postol, Julius Indongo, Jeff Horn, Amir Khan & Kell Brook.

Now lets look at Spence resume's
*Lamont Peterson (2 division champ)
*Kell Brook (same kell brook on Crawford resume even a better version).
*Shawn Porter (2 time welterweight champ who also beat Kell Brook a better version might I add),
*Danny Garcia (another 2 division champ-who 140 run was better than Crawford and beat another Crawford Amir Khan a better more prime version).
*Mikey Garcia (3 division champ)
*Chris Algieri (former 140 champ)

So compare Crawford names to Spence name and lets see who how bizarre the comparaison and techinally see you lock your own self out of a page then act like Spence names are better fighters and that comparison is more than enough fair.
Again stop playing.

Crawford achieved enough prior to making the jump to 147lbs to be deemed future Hall-of-Fame worthy.

Even though Spence Jr. is more accomplished at 147lbs than Crawford, Errol has achieved far less in the sport of boxing than Bud has.

If we only considered the resumes of both fighters at welterweight, neither Spence Jr. nor Crawford have achieved very much (in comparison to most welterweight Hall-of-Fame inductees).

Somebody help me out here, this guy knows nothing about boxing!

Better to let it go, you already spelled it out to him and he still cant see the forest for the tree's.

[Enlightened-One]

Spence's who ducked him and the pbc's that wouldn't let him fight their guys as well as Arum's who really isn't much of a promoter any more.

Are you seriously suggesting it's the PBC's role to promote Top Rank fighters?

And has Top Rank submitted an offer to Team Spence Jr. that has been rejected?

If you can only provide a resounding "NO" answer to both of these questions, then you need agree to retract your original claims.

Please remember: we're only talking about facts here - not feelings nor your personal preferred perception of reality! We're literally talking about real-world historical events, you know, things that actually happened!

[H8Usernames]

Spence's who ducked him and the pbc's that wouldn't let him fight their guys as well as Arum's who really isn't much of a promoter any more.

Are you seriously suggesting it's the PBC's role to promote Top Rank fighters?

And has Top Rank submitted an offer to Team Spence Jr. that has been rejected?

If you can only provide a resounding "NO" answer to both of these questions, then you need agree to retract your original claims.

Please remember: we're only talking about facts here - not feelings nor your personal preferred perception of reality! We're literally talking about real-world historical events, you know, things that actually happened!

I have no idea if Top Rank has submitted any offers to Team Spence. This is not a fair question since obviously this isn't purchasing a car at a lot so one doesn't just submit and offer. Negotiations have to take place first and I'm sure that Top Rank has asked the pbc to negotiate with them for this fight.

It's not the pbc's role to promote top rank fighters. Maybe that part of my statement was a bit silly.

[gilgamesh]

Neither are. Because of his achievements under 147 Crawford's legacy is probably dead even with Spence's.

[gilgamesh]

So if Spence not a HOF. Crawford can't be either right? Crawford has even less names but some people p4p can't be near
HOF either.

Are you aware of Crawford’s accomplishments during his time competing below 147lbs (i.e. prior to September 2017)?

If not, then you should ask for this thread to be locked and also ask for your account to be permanently closed.

You can’t be a legitimate boxing fan and ask those sort of questions or perform bizarre comparisons.

Crawford's achievements as a Lightweight are the best of his career. Those are the best opponents he beat. Even though he became Undisputed at 140 it was a bigger accomplishment on paper than it was in actuality as he really had nobody particularly meaningful standing in his way to take a title from.

Josh Taylor who just accomplished the same feat had a harder road to travel to do so, and his accomplishment is more impressive because of it.

[gilgamesh]

I'd say that the best win between the two was against Yuriorkis Gamboa. Perhaps the entry requirements for that HOF are pretty low but I'd say neither man deserves to be in any such hall. With Crawford though he isn't just his own victim but also Spence's who ducked him and the pbc's that wouldn't let him fight their guys as well as Arum's who really isn't much of a promoter any more.

Bottom line though neither is HOF worthy.

Gamboa is the best win on Crawford's resume yes.

Porter and Danny Garcia are bigger wins than that.

They both have KO victories over Kell Brook to their credit, and Crawford got it done faster so he gets a slight edge there.

[Enlightened-One]

Spence's who ducked him and the pbc's that wouldn't let him fight their guys as well as Arum's who really isn't much of a promoter any more.

Are you seriously suggesting it's the PBC's role to promote Top Rank fighters?

And has Top Rank submitted an offer to Team Spence Jr. that has been rejected?

If you can only provide a resounding "NO" answer to both of these questions, then you need agree to retract your original claims.

Please remember: we're only talking about facts here - not feelings nor your personal preferred perception of reality! We're literally talking about real-world historical events, you know, things that actually happened!

I have no idea if Top Rank has submitted any offers to Team Spence. This is not a fair question since obviously this isn't purchasing a car at a lot so one doesn't just submit and offer. Negotiations have to take place first and I'm sure that Top Rank has asked the pbc to negotiate with them for this fight.

It's not the pbc's role to promote top rank fighters. Maybe that part of my statement was a bit silly.

Then you’ve just admitted that Top Rank hasn’t submitted any offers to Team Spence.

And you’ve also admitted that it wasn’t the PBC’s duty to promoter a Top Rank fighter like Terence Crawford.

Then why in earth have you claimed Errol Spence Jr. has ducked Terence Crawford?

Perhaps I’ve misunderstood you, but what do you believe constitutes “ducking”?

[Enlightened-One]

So if Spence not a HOF. Crawford can't be either right? Crawford has even less names but some people p4p can't be near
HOF either.

Are you aware of Crawford’s accomplishments during his time competing below 147lbs (i.e. prior to September 2017)?

If not, then you should ask for this thread to be locked and also ask for your account to be permanently closed.

You can’t be a legitimate boxing fan and ask those sort of questions or perform bizarre comparisons.

Crawford's achievements as a Lightweight are the best of his career. Those are the best opponents he beat. Even though he became Undisputed at 140 it was a bigger accomplishment on paper than it was in actuality as he really had nobody particularly meaningful standing in his way to take a title from.

Josh Taylor who just accomplished the same feat had a harder road to travel to do so, and his accomplishment is more impressive because of it.

Crawford is a three-weight world champion and also unified all the belts at 140lbs.

Crawford has also faced more world champions and also engaged in more world title fights.

And if Crawford and Taylor fought tomorrow, you’d probably adhere to the mainstream masses by favouring the American to beat the Scot.

No one from this forum has criticised Crawford more than I have, but even I realise he’s already a dead-cert first-ballot Hall-of-Famer, regardless whatever happens during the remainder of his career.

[H8Usernames]

I'd say that the best win between the two was against Yuriorkis Gamboa. Perhaps the entry requirements for that HOF are pretty low but I'd say neither man deserves to be in any such hall. With Crawford though he isn't just his own victim but also Spence's who ducked him and the pbc's that wouldn't let him fight their guys as well as Arum's who really isn't much of a promoter any more.

Bottom line though neither is HOF worthy.

Gamboa moving up is the best win out of both resume. You need to stop.

Maybe not. Gamboa was something really special though.

Who do you think is the best win? It's a pretty slim talent pool in my opinion.

[gilgamesh]

Are you aware of Crawford’s accomplishments during his time competing below 147lbs (i.e. prior to September 2017)?

If not, then you should ask for this thread to be locked and also ask for your account to be permanently closed.

You can’t be a legitimate boxing fan and ask those sort of questions or perform bizarre comparisons.

Crawford's achievements as a Lightweight are the best of his career. Those are the best opponents he beat. Even though he became Undisputed at 140 it was a bigger accomplishment on paper than it was in actuality as he really had nobody particularly meaningful standing in his way to take a title from.

Josh Taylor who just accomplished the same feat had a harder road to travel to do so, and his accomplishment is more impressive because of it.

Crawford is a three-weight world champion and also unified all the belts at 140lbs.

Crawford has also faced more world champions and also engaged in more world title fights.

And if Crawford and Taylor fought tomorrow, you’d probably adhere to the mainstream masses by favouring the American to beat the Scot.

No one from this forum has criticised Crawford more than I have, but even I realise he’s already a dead-cert first-ballot Hall-of-Famer, regardless whatever happens during the remainder of his career.

Way to tell me stuff that I already said myself in the first few sentences there. If Crawford fought Taylor tomorrow yes I'd favor Crawford.

Crawford may well be a Hall of Famer. I don't think he's a 1st Ballot Hall of Famer as it stands right now, but his legacy isn't done being written either.

As it is right now though. He's pissed away a great deal of his career, and has lost a lot of respect amongst hardcore Boxing fans. His achievements look better on paper than they've actually been.

Hell Broner is a 4 weight World Champion. Sometimes this multi division World Champion stuff ain't all it's cracked up to be.

[H8Usernames]

Are you seriously suggesting it's the PBC's role to promote Top Rank fighters?

And has Top Rank submitted an offer to Team Spence Jr. that has been rejected?

If you can only provide a resounding "NO" answer to both of these questions, then you need agree to retract your original claims.

Please remember: we're only talking about facts here - not feelings nor your personal preferred perception of reality! We're literally talking about real-world historical events, you know, things that actually happened!

I have no idea if Top Rank has submitted any offers to Team Spence. This is not a fair question since obviously this isn't purchasing a car at a lot so one doesn't just submit and offer. Negotiations have to take place first and I'm sure that Top Rank has asked the pbc to negotiate with them for this fight.

It's not the pbc's role to promote top rank fighters. Maybe that part of my statement was a bit silly.

Then you’ve just admitted that Top Rank hasn’t submitted any offers to Team Spence.

And you’ve also admitted that it wasn’t the PBC’s duty to promoter a Top Rank fighter like Terence Crawford.

Then why in earth have you claimed Errol Spence Jr. has ducked Terence Crawford?

Perhaps I’ve misunderstood you, but what do you believe constitutes “ducking”?

The world isn't black and white. Come on. You can read very well what I am saying.

Let's assume that fighter A wants to fight fighter B yes? Ok team A contacts team B and asks them for a meeting to discuss the potential matchup. The request is refused. Team A then sends an inquiry asking when would fighter B be available, would his team like to copromote the event, what sorta purse is required, are there any other special conditions that need to be met in order for the fight to be made. No response is sent. Representative of team A calls a member of team B three weeks later and asks if the email was received and gets a "we'll get back to you". So no offer was made but unless you are completely retarded then you can see bright as day what took place here.

[gregregegg]

Iv said this befor, being multi weight champ only realy means anything to me if you move up and be the smaller man. If you just weight bully low then grow up divs then it means nothing to me.

Has Crawford ever been significantly lighter than an opponent in the ring? Mabey he was slightly outweighed vs Brook and horn, has Crawford been significantly bigger in the ring, every 135lb fight and most 140lb fights...

Should Crawford get extra credit for spending half his career as a welter beating up lightweights?

[gilgamesh]

Iv said this befor, being multi weight champ only realy means anything to me if you move up and be the smaller man. If you just weight bully low then grow up divs then it means nothing to me.

Has Crawford ever been significantly lighter than an opponent in the ring? Mabey he was slightly outweighed vs Brook and horn, has Crawford been significantly bigger in the ring, every 135lb fight and most 140lb fights...

Should Crawford get extra credit for spending half his career as a welter beating up lightweights?

I'm not gonna discount his achievements at 140 or below, but he definitely hasnt' tested himself against the more dangerous bigger guys that he could fight.

Spence or the guys at 154 would be legit challenges for him.

Now for the record, I think Crawford is very talented, and I'd favor him to beat all the same people Spence has beaten probably in more impressive fashion, but unless you do it, and all we can ever do is guess how good you could've been, then it doesn't amount to much.

That's really the biggest shame. I DO think he's better than Spence. I DO think he'd beat Spence. But meanwhile he's just sitting around, and letting Spence pass him by, and have a more meaningful career than him.