weight bullies

[margaret thatcher]

inspired by jarret hurd losing tonight when he stepped up and faced a middleweight

who are some fighters who were good weight cutters and had success basically by manhandling smaller guys, but then couldnt carry up their success vs bigger ones?

[gregregegg]

Crawford is a "p4p guy" based on achievements while cutting masssive amounts of weight, and now at welter where he really should be, he isnt fighting anyone good. not saying he couldent beat good welters or 154ers, but he hasnt yet...

[margaret thatcher]

ya, it's funny with some of these multi division champs, and how success in multi divisions is valued so much

but a lot of guys start at like 2-3 divisions lower, but then even when they end up at their final division they are still big or at least normal sized for it. so basically were cutting huge and beating on smaller guys in lower divisions, yet then get credit as if they moved up and have been beating guys bigger than them

[gregregegg]

yep, does my head in.

-Mayweather, Manny, Loma, mikey garcia ect moved up to weights where they were significantly lighter on fight night.

- Crawford and Canelo are great, and "moving up through divisions" is cool, But have they ever actually been unusual light for a weight they fought in, might be wrong but i dont think so.

[coneye]

Jeff Fenech really stands out here , hecwas a freak how much weght he could drop and retain streghth

[ceramics_steve_again]

Arthur Abraham is always the first one that comes to mind, so effective at middleweight, nowhere near at super

[D4v3]

Broner always comes to mind, was essentially able to walk through fighters at super feather and lightweight. His technical flaws became more apparent when he moved up to welterweight and even Paulie Malignaggi was able to give him a hard nights work

[maverick23]

I think, to a lesser extent, Lewis Ritson. He ripped through the other domestic lightweights but doesn’t really make a dent in the light welterweights he’s fought.

[stujones]

Ricky Hatton came to mind - prior to the Mayweather fight it was all about "the higher the weight class the more it will suit the natural bigger Hatton" - after the fight it was "Ricky is no Welterweight" - but yes to an extend, RIcky's strength was his strength, similar to Abraham.

[Coco]

Ricky Hatton came to mind - prior to the Mayweather fight it was all about "the higher the weight class the more it will suit the natural bigger Hatton" - after the fight it was "Ricky is no Welterweight" - but yes to an extend, RIcky's strength was his strength, similar to Abraham.

Exactly at 10st his strength was at that weight but he lost that with the extra half stone

[JamesPhilips]

Ricky Hatton came to mind - prior to the Mayweather fight it was all about "the higher the weight class the more it will suit the natural bigger Hatton" - after the fight it was "Ricky is no Welterweight" - but yes to an extend, RIcky's strength was his strength, similar to Abraham.

That was made clear in the Collazo fight in my opinion

[jameswilson]

Scott Harrison.

Miguel Cotto.

[Cyclops]

Chavez Jnr is the biggest weight bully I can think of from the time I started watching boxing. He fought as a middleweight but walked into the ring as a cruiserweight. When he moved up to LHW, where he should have been all along, he got beaten up and as I recall, quit.

Canelo is a bizarre one because I think he's probably outweighed every opponent he's fought in the ring yet he's fought through so many weights. God knows what kind of gear he's on. It's not like Manny, who seems (to me) like he was an obvious cheat but definitely was outsized and outweighed in fights: I thought he looked the bigger man next to Kovalev who in turn looked like a weight drained noodle.

Hurd is the other one I think of but even if he got KO'd at MW he got KO'd already at LMW didn't he? Or knocked down and lost at least? I'm not really a fan but the only time I stayed up and watched him he got whooped. Before that I was reading about how much of a weight bully he was and there was a picture of him standing next to Kelly Pavlik (and that's Pavlik now, where he was considering a return as a cruiser) and Hurd looked bigger.

[JamesPhilips]

Chavez Jnr is the biggest weight bully I can think of from the time I started watching boxing. He fought as a middleweight but walked into the ring as a cruiserweight. When he moved up to LHW, where he should have been all along, he got beaten up and as I recall, quit.

Canelo is a bizarre one because I think he's probably outweighed every opponent he's fought in the ring yet he's fought through so many weights. God knows what kind of gear he's on. It's not like Manny, who seems (to me) like he was an obvious cheat but definitely was outsized and outweighed in fights: I thought he looked the bigger man next to Kovalev who in turn looked like a weight drained noodle.

Hurd is the other one I think of but even if he got KO'd at MW he got KO'd already at LMW didn't he? Or knocked down and lost at least? I'm not really a fan but the only time I stayed up and watched him he got whooped. Before that I was reading about how much of a weight bully he was and there was a picture of him standing next to Kelly Pavlik (and that's Pavlik now, where he was considering a return as a cruiser) and Hurd looked bigger.

Chavez good call. And yes, Canelo's choice of meat seems to mean he doesn't suffer from any weight disadvantage as he moves up.

[JC]

Scott Harrison.

Miguel Cotto.

Not sure about Cotto.

He drained a lot to get to 140 but it's not like he wasn't successful once he moved up. I'd say he was actually better at 147lbs and had a 160lb title at one point.

[jimcook]

teofimo lopez is another.....saw him standing next to conor benn and lopez looked the bigger man.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Canelo WAS a weight bully..

[handsofstone]

Ive always thought weight bullies were guys that won and guys that lost were weight drained, isnt that the usual narrative??

[Counter-puncher]

Ive always thought weight bullies were guys that won and guys that lost were weight drained, isnt that the usual narrative??

Ha!

[orbtastic]

McClellan

[KiwiRider]

Zurdo.
Weight bullied his way to 40-0, hung onto his belt in a death grip without facing anyone decent, moves up to LHW and faces even lesser opponents
What a c*ckgobbler

[emallini]

A weight bully does not exist. This is a made up term by Internet fans. You do not hear that in boxing gyms. It does not exist. You either make the weight or you don't. End of.

[margaret thatcher]

call it what you want mate, fact is some guys are basically great at cutting weight and use it to their advantage to bully guys who are smaller and cant boil down as much. its not something like great timing or speed that is gonna be there even vs guys the same size

its not illegal or anything like that, but it happens and im curious who stands out for ppl

[Cyclops]

A weight bully does not exist. This is a made up term by Internet fans. You do not hear that in boxing gyms. It does not exist. You either make the weight or you don't. End of.

I make you completely wrong. In a normal gym that puts it's fighters into competition they can't afford all the 'scientific methods' that fighters backed with more money can afford, so they genuinely do have to fight at their natural weight. If you have the right team of 'nutritionists' and 'strength and conditioning coaches' behind you, you can hop on the scales and weigh in exactly the same weight as your opponent: and then in 24 hours the two fighters can come in with an obvious weight disparity.

Below heavyweight, it's a science getting the biggest possible athlete to come in at the lightest possible weight. And drained fighters are often attempted weight bullies that screw up their cut, or are fighters that are just too big for the contracted weight but weaken themselves to make it anyway, often in the knowledge that they will lose, just for the payday.

You're right, in the gyms I trained in, and in amateur and area level gyms you didn't get 'weight bullies' because we fought close to our walk around weight.

Your argument about 'internet fans' is pretty lame. I've not competed personally, but never really stuck around boxing gyms for very long (I trained in a am gym when I was younger and the trainers decided that I wasn't worth their time, as they had dedicated traveller kids who could really fight that they devoted their time to) but when I trained in kickboxing and Muay Thai gyms, where we had champions (and I'm friends with one of the best K1 fighters in the UK), of course weight bullying wasn't a thing.

But with millions and millions of dollars at stake, anybody with eyes can see that weight bullies exist. Sod off with your "oh, I've been in a gym, you're just typing" bollocks. You sound dismissive and frankly a twat.

[dookus]

Scott Harrison.

Harrison was absolutely huge for featherweight, and this was in the early 00s before modern weight cutting techniques. Wonder what weight they could get him to now!