ANYONE ELSE HERE LOST RESPECT FOR BAZZA McGUIGAN..?

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 15 Jul 2006, 16:59

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:He already has world class speed, stamina, technique and footwork - but he lacks some professional skills that should come. .

I think saying Khan has World class stamina is very premature with respect as he hasn't gone anywhere near 6 hard rounds yet nevermind 12. When Khan has got 10-12 hard rounds at a good pace against a fighter who pushes him most or all of the way then we will see if he has worldclass stamina, in my opinion.

I also think his technique isn't world class yet.

World class potential yes, but he not there yet.

Scrap · Post by **Scrap** » 15 Jul 2006, 17:24

Ive known the man a number of years. He was a bit of a paradox to me the first few years, I could never quite work him out, as to where his motives lay. Great to be around, good fun but that feeling of doubt regarding his sincerity. the work he did for the Pro Boxers Union was tremendous and now looking back was selfless and beleive me he put the hours in.Also he wont suffer fools which might seem stand offish, but is very compassionate. Anyway with me he has passed the test of time, never done harm to anyone, always done the right thing for Boxing.op ambassedor for the sport, and despite what people say does know what he,s talking about

Grilling Machine · Post by **Grilling Machine** » 16 Jul 2006, 18:46

Anyone else like to see Nicky Piper on ITV?

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 16 Jul 2006, 18:52

Bunce hasn't got a scooby. His column in boxing monthly is woeful.

assassin · Post by **assassin** » 16 Jul 2006, 19:00

Bunce is a bit of a knob, don't like his urban beat poet writing style in BM, doesn't really say anything of any real interest or insight. He's ok on the tv cause he's enthusiam comes across and he's a bit of a character

Scrap · Post by **Scrap** » 16 Jul 2006, 20:48

The only time steve listens, is when He,s talking

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 17 Jul 2006, 06:07

overhand_right wrote:
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:Ever thought Khans been protected will help him climb to the top? Hes very young and will get better and better, if hes thrown in too deep early he'll drown like many a young prospect. He already has world class speed, stamina, technique and footwork - but he lacks some professional skills that should come. Hes also seems allot stronger than when he first started - this will improve over the years too.
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Your not going to develop a world champion by continually matching him with opponents with no power from the featherweight division who cant remotely test him. Amirs being built up by false confidence how is he goinbg to deal with a live body who wants to make an argument of it when hes beating up on stiffs & being hyped to shit by the media for it?

They tried step him up the other month with that fella & amir look knackered & very shaky hes no future champ just another Audley waiting to happen yet despiet his zero charisma people seem to like him at least Audley doesnt drive recklessly & break civilians legs.

Amir has better overall skills and natural talent than Audley by quite some way, and we also don't know yet whether he has a fighter's heart, which is something Audley seemed to lack. Time will tell with Amir, we won't know until we see him taking a succession of hard shots and come firing back.

There is a concern that if this string of fights againts overmatched opponents goes on TOO long, that it could have a damaging effect on Amir when he suddenly finds himself in a harder fight and tries to punch his way out of trouble.

My main concern at the moment is Amir's seeming lack of firepower, but that could well be because he doesn't sit down on his shots enough, which is more to do with the transition from an amateur friendly style to a professional style.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 17 Jul 2006, 06:34

How does Bunce retain that column? Is he well in there with Leach or something? Has to be the worst boxing journalism I have ever read!

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 17 Jul 2006, 07:07

Yes Bunce and Leach are good mates, hence the Bunce self promotion every month in BM.

Pretty unreadable most of the time.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 17 Jul 2006, 07:31

I get the impression that Khan doesn't like standing still for long. That style doesn't lend itself to hitting hard, and is also very tiring as you're expending all that extra energy.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 17 Jul 2006, 07:44

nickd wrote:How does Bunce retain that column? Is he well in there with Leach or something? Has to be the worst boxing journalism I have ever read!

he doesn't do reports, does he? he was a columnist last time i read the mag. if so then he's doing what he's supposed to.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 17 Jul 2006, 07:50

viciousmaussa wrote:
nickd wrote:How does Bunce retain that column? Is he well in there with Leach or something? Has to be the worst boxing journalism I have ever read!
he doesn't do reports, does he? he was a columnist last time i read the mag. if so then he's doing what he's supposed to.

No he doesn't do reports he just writes a load of absolute rhetoric each month. Does the magazine no favours IMO. It strikes as being a bit of a 'filler'.

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 17 Jul 2006, 07:54

nickd wrote:
No he doesn't do reports he just writes a load of absolute rhetoric each month. Does the magazine no favours IMO. It strikes as being a bit of a 'filler'.

His 'flow of conscious' style often comes off a being poorly thought out and disjointed.

I agree its usually a poor excuse for an article and adds little to the magazine.

Buncie has widened his cope and now writes/commentates on anything they will let him on. Sometimes I wonder about his depth of knowledge on topics such as Wimbledon and the Winter Games..

Lightsoot · Post by **Lightsoot** » 17 Jul 2006, 08:46

Bunce covers a lot of ground on the domestic circuit, far more than the likes of McGuigan ever will. He's also worked dilligently to secure a regular slot for Boxing on Five Live.

He's not everyone's cup of tea but his commitment to an increasingly marginalised sport is refreshing.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 17 Jul 2006, 09:06

Ben Carey wrote:Bunce covers a lot of ground on the domestic circuit, far more than the likes of McGuigan ever will. He's also worked dilligently to secure a regular slot for Boxing on Five Live.

He's not everyone's cup of tea but his commitment to an increasingly marginalised sport is refreshing.

To be fair though, Barry McGuigan has never claimed to be a Journalist. I know there are plenty of well paid Journalists (and boxing Journo's at that) who do not put in the hours that Bunce does.... but Barry McGuigan isn't a Journo. He's an ex fighter who is an employee of ITV.

I agree with your points and I don't really mind his BM articles - I think it provides a bit of light relief. Cannot say though I like his analysing style - "Hey, listen right" and the change in his attitude to Audley Harrison after his 10 fight initial deal was up was poor. When it wasn't such a big contract after, he started to really ass lick - even calling him a world champion. I don't think Barry has ever called Enzo Maccrinelli a world champion.

I thought Steve Lillis did a good job on the Setanta Bennett vs Earl PPV.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 17 Jul 2006, 11:27

TerribleTerry wrote:
nickd wrote:
No he doesn't do reports he just writes a load of absolute rhetoric each month. Does the magazine no favours IMO. It strikes as being a bit of a 'filler'.
His 'flow of conscious' style often comes off a being poorly thought out and disjointed.

I agree its usually a poor excuse for an article and adds little to the magazine.

Buncie has widened his cope and now writes/commentates on anything they will let him on. Sometimes I wonder about his depth of knowledge on topics such as Wimbledon and the Winter Games..

it's called an opinion column

stream of consciousness is not a literary crime. the so-called 'modern novel' is one in which the voice of the author can be more readily felt. Ever read any William Burroughs, Ian Banks, Brett Easton Ellis, Chuck Paluhniak, Philip K Dick?

If they can go deep into the back of their minds and pull something back, & it can still be called writing, Buncey's entitled to have a natter once a month

boxing monthly used to have a shit book/film review section in the 1990s, criticising the superb, very personal book Dark Trade: Lost in Boxing for Being as much about the author as the boxers., as McRae comes to terms about his own obsession with a sport in which ppl are utterly broken, shaping his own opinions along the way, journey style. Nowadays you don't have to write emphatically in the rigid 3rd person. maybe that's progress of sorts

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 17 Jul 2006, 11:30

Terence wrote:Buncie made me laugh making that programme for Sky about the dark side of boxing. He walked down the Philly streets with some kind of a stick up his arse walk presumably to look hard then got a bit of gyp of some local kids. He gave it back to them but wasn't he being guided by a police cruiser?

that was funny, it was a bit ridiculous as well but there was some good stuff in the docu, especially with Hopkins

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 17 Jul 2006, 11:39

viciousmaussa wrote:
stream of consciousness is not a literary crime.

You are right its not, when done well.

Buncie's BM article is poor fair in my eyes. You may enjoy his disjointed and at times hard to follow prose, but I don't.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 17 Jul 2006, 11:40

Stream of consciouness is certainly not suitable for sports journalism. We're not talking about James Joyce's Ulysses here.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 17 Jul 2006, 11:41

TerribleTerry wrote:
viciousmaussa wrote:
stream of consciousness is not a literary crime.

You are right its not, when done well.

Buncie's BM article is poor fair in my eyes. You may enjoy his disjointed and at times hard to follow prose, but I don't.

ah well, i haven't read BM or Bunce in about a year.

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 17 Jul 2006, 11:51

Dark Trade lol. I agree with any criticism of that book. Im interested in reading about the boxers themselves. Like most people i couldnt care less about the 'internal struggles' of Don McCrae, Dominic Calder-Smith, et al as they 'cope' covering boxing.

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 17 Jul 2006, 12:03

overhand_right wrote:Dark Trade lol. I agree with any criticism of that book. Im interested in reading about the boxers themselves. Like most people i couldnt care less about the 'internal struggles' of Don McCrae, Dominic Calder-Smith, et al as they 'cope' covering boxing.

it was still a cracking read though.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 17 Jul 2006, 12:07

viciousmaussa wrote:
stream of consciousness is not a literary crime

It is when you write like Bunce. And yes I've read all the other writers you mention too. And yes Dark Trade is an excellent look inside the world of boxers & boxing.

fried bread · Post by **fried bread** » 17 Jul 2006, 15:02

overhand_right wrote:Dark Trade lol. I agree with any criticism of that book. Im interested in reading about the boxers themselves. Like most people i couldnt care less about the 'internal struggles' of Don McCrae, Dominic Calder-Smith, et al as they 'cope' covering boxing.

yeah but when you have a sport like boxing, that is reviled in some quarters & marginalised, you sometimes feel the need to defend the sport. how do you defend a sport when good guys like Michael Watson and Bradley Stone are getting badly injured or dying? Dark Trade is a mature and thoughtful book that gives real insight into great fighters like Toney & Jones, and yet also gets into why ppl should want to keep following the sport with all the shitty stuff that's going on. it covers a lot of bases, the shift from itv to sky, eubank's lack of greatness, toney's filling in the void left by tyson by being a high profile badass...