MMA

[Impractical Poster]

The thing is, though, is that the UFC pays their fighters more overall than in boxing. A fighter debuting on a UFC undercard is going to make a lot more than a fighter debuting on a TR card, for example.

I believe there are only a handful of boxers making serious bank anyway. And as far as the Paul brothers go, they were mega YouTube stars prior to boxing. It's not as simple and clear cut as Francis is making out.

That’s nonsense.

No it's not. When the UFC was under the Zuffa banner, Lorenzo Fertitta was interviewed on the matter. It's on YouTube. You should look into it before commenting.

Also, a fighter's worth shows up in ppv numbers. Fighter's like McGregor and Diaz sell. Jones as dominate as he was could not sell like they did. He's just not portrayed himself or put himself into a position to get what he's asking. If he did, he'd get what he wanted. Now he's going to sit on the shelf and waste away. If he took the Stipe fight he'd position himself for a title shot against Francis while staying active. It's obvious he's not confident in his abilities at this point, especially at hw, and is looking to cash out.

I rate Bones as the goat, but he's not the most savvy businessman to have entered the octagon.

[Impractical Poster]

The thing is, though, is that the UFC pays their fighters more overall than in boxing. A fighter debuting on a UFC undercard is going to make a lot more than a fighter debuting on a TR card, for example.

I believe there are only a handful of boxers making serious bank anyway. And as far as the Paul brothers go, they were mega YouTube stars prior to boxing. It's not as simple and clear cut as Francis is making out.

Thing is when fighters are making their UFC debut, they’re not making their MMA debut. They too started out with smaller companies and Bellator etc. Where they earned small amounts.

That's not the point. The point is that in most cases undercard fighters in the UFC make more than undercard fighters in boxing promotions.

[Wee Tommy]

The thing is, though, is that the UFC pays their fighters more overall than in boxing. A fighter debuting on a UFC undercard is going to make a lot more than a fighter debuting on a TR card, for example.

I believe there are only a handful of boxers making serious bank anyway. And as far as the Paul brothers go, they were mega YouTube stars prior to boxing. It's not as simple and clear cut as Francis is making out.

That’s nonsense.

No it's not. When the UFC was under the Zuffa banner, Lorenzo Fertitta was interviewed on the matter. It's on YouTube. You should look into it before commenting.

Also, a fighter's worth shows up in ppv numbers. Fighter's like McGregor and Diaz sell. Jones as dominate as he was could not sell like they did. He's just not portrayed himself or put himself into a position to get what he's asking. If he did, he'd get what he wanted. Now he's going to sit on the shelf and waste away. If he took the Stipe fight he'd position himself for a title shot against Francis while staying active. It's obvious he's not confident in his abilities at this point, especially at hw, and is looking to cash out.

I rate Bones as the goat, but he's not the most savvy businessman to have entered the octagon.

You sound really bitter for some reason. I stand by my assertion on your posts; nonsense.

[Impractical Poster]

That’s nonsense.

No it's not. When the UFC was under the Zuffa banner, Lorenzo Fertitta was interviewed on the matter. It's on YouTube. You should look into it before commenting.

Also, a fighter's worth shows up in ppv numbers. Fighter's like McGregor and Diaz sell. Jones as dominate as he was could not sell like they did. He's just not portrayed himself or put himself into a position to get what he's asking. If he did, he'd get what he wanted. Now he's going to sit on the shelf and waste away. If he took the Stipe fight he'd position himself for a title shot against Francis while staying active. It's obvious he's not confident in his abilities at this point, especially at hw, and is looking to cash out.

I rate Bones as the goat, but he's not the most savvy businessman to have entered the octagon.

You sound really bitter for some reason. I stand by my assertion on your posts; nonsense.

Don't mean to come off bitter. I just hate to see Jones on the shelf. As for fighter pay, so be it. Doesn't matter if you believe me. I just thought you all would want the information.

[Wee Tommy]

No it's not. When the UFC was under the Zuffa banner, Lorenzo Fertitta was interviewed on the matter. It's on YouTube. You should look into it before commenting.

Also, a fighter's worth shows up in ppv numbers. Fighter's like McGregor and Diaz sell. Jones as dominate as he was could not sell like they did. He's just not portrayed himself or put himself into a position to get what he's asking. If he did, he'd get what he wanted. Now he's going to sit on the shelf and waste away. If he took the Stipe fight he'd position himself for a title shot against Francis while staying active. It's obvious he's not confident in his abilities at this point, especially at hw, and is looking to cash out.

I rate Bones as the goat, but he's not the most savvy businessman to have entered the octagon.

You sound really bitter for some reason. I stand by my assertion on your posts; nonsense.

Don't mean to come off bitter. I just hate to see Jones on the shelf. As for fighter pay, so be it. Doesn't matter if you believe me. I just thought you all would want the information.

What information? 10 year old interviews with the man who profited most from fighter being underpaid in that time frame?

Everyone and their dog knows ufc fighters are underpaid, including the fighters themselves. One of my very good pals has had 6 fights for the ufc. I know two others fairly well. They are skint! Make more money doing PTs and working on doors than they do fighting for Dana.

Jones is in the right here and so is Francis, not you and Lorenzo/Zuffa/UFC.

You agree with me that Jones is one of the very best to ever do it but in same post say he’s a shite businessman and wasting away. He could retire right now and only his haters and fools would criticise him for it.

[Impractical Poster]

You sound really bitter for some reason. I stand by my assertion on your posts; nonsense.

Don't mean to come off bitter. I just hate to see Jones on the shelf. As for fighter pay, so be it. Doesn't matter if you believe me. I just thought you all would want the information.

What information? 10 year old interviews with the man who profited most from fighter being underpaid in that time frame?

Everyone and their dog knows ufc fighters are underpaid, including the fighters themselves. One of my very good pals has had 6 fights for the ufc. I know two others fairly well. They are skint! Make more money doing PTs and working on doors than they do fighting for Dana.

Jones is in the right here and so is Francis, not you and Lorenzo/Zuffa/UFC.

You agree with me that Jones is one of the very best to ever do it but in same post say he’s a shite businessman and wasting away. He could retire right now and only his haters and fools would criticise him for it.

The interview is still valid. If Jones and Francis want to die on their shields over pay then their careers are effective over, unless they can get out of their contracts and sign with someone else. Fighters have used their platform with the UFC to boost revenue in other ways. Jones can't seem to find a way to do that. I do criticize Jon. He wasn't forced to sign with the UFC. And to be honest, he should have been removed from the organization due to his out of competition antics.

Just because a fighter is elite at what he does doesn't always correlate to elite pay. Roy Jones Jr was never a ppv star, for example. What irritates me about Jones, and probably other fans and the company alike is that he rarely fights. He has been difficult to work with on many occasions too.

As far as your friends who have fought for the UFC, nobody forced them to sign with the UFC. If pay is too little, go with another promotion. And if MMA pays to little as a whole, find a different career. Why pick an organization to fight for that pays shit? These people are babies. There a plenty of fighters in the UFC who are set for life. The ones whining are probably difficult people. Stop bitching about a YouTuber making more than you and go make your money.

[Wee Tommy]

Don't mean to come off bitter. I just hate to see Jones on the shelf. As for fighter pay, so be it. Doesn't matter if you believe me. I just thought you all would want the information.

What information? 10 year old interviews with the man who profited most from fighter being underpaid in that time frame?

Everyone and their dog knows ufc fighters are underpaid, including the fighters themselves. One of my very good pals has had 6 fights for the ufc. I know two others fairly well. They are skint! Make more money doing PTs and working on doors than they do fighting for Dana.

Jones is in the right here and so is Francis, not you and Lorenzo/Zuffa/UFC.

You agree with me that Jones is one of the very best to ever do it but in same post say he’s a shite businessman and wasting away. He could retire right now and only his haters and fools would criticise him for it.

The interview is still valid. If Jones and Francis want to die on their shields over pay then their careers are effective over, unless they can get out of their contracts and sign with someone else. Fighters have used their platform with the UFC to boost revenue in other ways. Jones can't seem to find a way to do that. I do criticize Jon. He wasn't forced to sign with the UFC. And to be honest, he should have been removed from the organization due to his out of competition antics.

Just because a fighter is elite at what he does doesn't always correlate to elite pay. Roy Jones Jr was never a ppv star, for example. What irritates me about Jones, and probably other fans and the company alike is that he rarely fights. He has been difficult to work with on many occasions too.

As far as your friends who have fought for the UFC, nobody forced them to sign with the UFC. If pay is too little, go with another promotion. And if MMA pays to little as a whole, find a different career. Why pick an organization to fight for that pays shit? These people are babies. There a plenty of fighters in the UFC who are set for life. The ones whining are probably difficult people. Stop bitching about a YouTuber making more than you and go make your money.

What a clown

You are the worst type of fan. The kind the fighters would love to kick up and down a ring/cage if only you’d leave your mums back bedroom

[Impractical Poster]

What information? 10 year old interviews with the man who profited most from fighter being underpaid in that time frame?

Everyone and their dog knows ufc fighters are underpaid, including the fighters themselves. One of my very good pals has had 6 fights for the ufc. I know two others fairly well. They are skint! Make more money doing PTs and working on doors than they do fighting for Dana.

Jones is in the right here and so is Francis, not you and Lorenzo/Zuffa/UFC.

You agree with me that Jones is one of the very best to ever do it but in same post say he’s a shite businessman and wasting away. He could retire right now and only his haters and fools would criticise him for it.

The interview is still valid. If Jones and Francis want to die on their shields over pay then their careers are effective over, unless they can get out of their contracts and sign with someone else. Fighters have used their platform with the UFC to boost revenue in other ways. Jones can't seem to find a way to do that. I do criticize Jon. He wasn't forced to sign with the UFC. And to be honest, he should have been removed from the organization due to his out of competition antics.

Just because a fighter is elite at what he does doesn't always correlate to elite pay. Roy Jones Jr was never a ppv star, for example. What irritates me about Jones, and probably other fans and the company alike is that he rarely fights. He has been difficult to work with on many occasions too.

As far as your friends who have fought for the UFC, nobody forced them to sign with the UFC. If pay is too little, go with another promotion. And if MMA pays to little as a whole, find a different career. Why pick an organization to fight for that pays shit? These people are babies. There a plenty of fighters in the UFC who are set for life. The ones whining are probably difficult people. Stop bitching about a YouTuber making more than you and go make your money.

What a clown

You are the worst type of fan. The kind the fighters would love to kick up and down a ring/cage if only you’d leave your mums back bedroom

You can insult me all you want, but it still doesn't change the situation. Jones can hold out as long as he wants. He's just going to stagnate. Hopefully Schaefer can talk some sense into him.

[Wee Tommy]

The interview is still valid. If Jones and Francis want to die on their shields over pay then their careers are effective over, unless they can get out of their contracts and sign with someone else. Fighters have used their platform with the UFC to boost revenue in other ways. Jones can't seem to find a way to do that. I do criticize Jon. He wasn't forced to sign with the UFC. And to be honest, he should have been removed from the organization due to his out of competition antics.

Just because a fighter is elite at what he does doesn't always correlate to elite pay. Roy Jones Jr was never a ppv star, for example. What irritates me about Jones, and probably other fans and the company alike is that he rarely fights. He has been difficult to work with on many occasions too.

As far as your friends who have fought for the UFC, nobody forced them to sign with the UFC. If pay is too little, go with another promotion. And if MMA pays to little as a whole, find a different career. Why pick an organization to fight for that pays shit? These people are babies. There a plenty of fighters in the UFC who are set for life. The ones whining are probably difficult people. Stop bitching about a YouTuber making more than you and go make your money.

What a clown

You are the worst type of fan. The kind the fighters would love to kick up and down a ring/cage if only you’d leave your mums back bedroom

You can insult me all you want, but it still doesn't change the situation. Jones can hold out as long as he wants. He's just going to stagnate. Hopefully Schaefer can talk some sense into him.

It’s ok for you to call guys who would eat you for breakfast ‘babies’? The same guys you somehow think deserve to be paid less than they deserve? Why do you care so much about Jones ‘stagnation’ in this case?

You are coming across very very bitter, out of touch and foolish.

[Impractical Poster]

What a clown

You are the worst type of fan. The kind the fighters would love to kick up and down a ring/cage if only you’d leave your mums back bedroom

You can insult me all you want, but it still doesn't change the situation. Jones can hold out as long as he wants. He's just going to stagnate. Hopefully Schaefer can talk some sense into him.

It’s ok for you to call guys who would eat you for breakfast ‘babies’? The same guys you somehow think deserve to be paid less than they deserve? Why do you care so much about Jones ‘stagnation’ in this case?

You are coming across very very bitter, out of touch and foolish.

I don't care if they'd beat me up. I'm not saying they're all like that. Just the guys crying about fairness. Life isn't fair bro. Now go out there and get what you want. That's what's wrong with the world today. Everyone wants fair. Trust me, we don't want fair. I don't really care if you think I'm bitter. But maybe I am towards over privileged babies. Since they could beat me up should I stay silent? Have you ever been critical of fighters who could beat you senseless? This is a combat forum where people discuss their opinions of fighters. If someone triggers you by their opinion maybe you should find another outlet for your fandom.

[Wee Tommy]

I’m fine because I understand the game a lot better than you because I’ve fought and trained with fighters. As for getting what I want, well I do. That’s why I’m not bitter. I don’t call fighters babies because they want to be well paid, I’m not built like that. I leave that to the ignorant.

I called you out because your posts make you look like some sad child who can’t quite get his head round what the fight game is like for the main people involved, the fighters. Quoting scum like Lorenzo Fertita showed you up.

[Impractical Poster]

I’m fine because I understand the game a lot better than you because I’ve fought and trained with fighters. As for getting what I want, well I do. That’s why I’m not bitter. I don’t call fighters babies because they want to be well paid, I’m not built like that. I leave that to the ignorant.

I called you out because your posts make you look like some sad child who can’t quite get his head round what the fight game is like for the main people involved, the fighters. Quoting scum like Lorenzo Fertita showed you up.

There are pros in the game and analysts who hold similar views as I do. But since you say you've worked with some guys your view supercedes those others than yours? It's obvious you're a Bones fan. You got triggered which is why you are attacking my character, which also says more about you than it does me. My main point is that Jones if fighting with the wrong guy in the wrong way. If he keeps it up he won't fight again. I made a simple statement about his career and you took it personally. I'm all for fighters getting paid. I was very happy when Dana upped fight bonuses to 75G. There are fighters that have made a ton of money with the UFC. Jon has already shown his character and Dana has made it clear what he thinks Jones is worth. These fighters that are complaining are comparing themselves about the very few who make elite money. In this day and age fighting alone rarely gets you the big money. You have to market yourself too. This is something I assumed someone of your stature understood.

We are going in circles here. Whether you see my view is really not important to me. I'm off to my mum's back bedroom now.

[Wee Tommy]

I don’t even like Jones much but I respect him. Same as I respect and care about my friends who compete. I don’t respect the likes of you. Internet gimps who expect fighters to bend over for Dana and Lorenzo.

The difference here is I don’t need youtube or google to form my opinions. You basically insulted my friends.

Enjoy your day in bed man

[Impractical Poster]

Joe Rogan regarding fighters complaining about pay after the Floyd/Logan exhibition.

[Impractical Poster]

I don’t even like Jones much but I respect him. Same as I respect and care about my friends who compete. I don’t respect the likes of you. Internet gimps who expect fighters to bend over for Dana and Lorenzo.

The difference here is I don’t need youtube or google to form my opinions. You basically insulted my friends.

Enjoy your day in bed man

I could care less if you respect me. We don't even know each other. If your friends sit around complaining about pay, then it is what it is. I still feel the same way no matter who it is. No one is making these guys sign the contract with the UFC. If they want more pay, they need to figure it out. I honestly hope they do get wealthy. I'm not trying to fight with you, I'm just defending my position.

[Ruthless-RKO]

[Ruthless-RKO]

day before the fight show the athletes step on the scales. Following the official weigh-in show held earlier, the ceremonial weigh-ins is scheduled for 7 pm ET / 4 pm PT in the US, 12 am BST in the UK and 9 am AEST in Australia. The live stream is available up top.
day before the fight show the athletes step on the scales. Following the official weigh-in show held earlier, the ceremonial weigh-ins is scheduled for 7 pm ET / 4 pm PT in the US, 12 am BST in the UK and 9 am AEST in Australia. The live stream is available up top.

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UFC 263 fight card

Main Card

Israel Adesanya vs. Marvin Vettori – Adesanya’s UFC middleweight title

Deiveson Figueiredo vs. Brandon Moreno – Figueiredo’s UFC flyweight title

Leon Edwards vs. Nate Diaz

Demian Maia vs. Belal Muhammad

Paul Craig vs. Jamahal Hill

Preliminary Card

Drew Dober vs. Brad Riddell

Eryk Anders vs. Darren Stewart

Lauren Murphy vs. Joanne Calderwood

Movsar Evloev vs. Hakeem Dawodu

Early Preliminary Card

Pannie Kianzad vs. Alexis Davis

Frank Camacho vs. Matt Frevola

Chase Hooper vs. Steven Peterson

Fares Ziam vs. Luigi Vendramini

Carlos Felipe vs. Jake Collier

*Date and time are local unless specified otherwise.

**Fight card subject to change.

[Wee Tommy]

I seen DF pushed Moreno at the weigh in. Should be a massive fine for this kind of child like behaviour before big fights like 25% of the purse. It’s beyond pathetic.

Hope Moreno can do it but I don’t see it.

[Impractical Poster]

Moreno gets the sub in the 3rd! I'm really happy for him. He's got a really good energy about him and a positive attitude.

[Tinnie]

Moreno gets the sub in the 3rd! I'm really happy for him. He's got a really good energy about him and a positive attitude.

Definitely wears his heart on his sleeve. He sunk my multi bet and I'm not even pissed

Best of luck to him

[Wee Tommy]

Great performance by Moreno, he really tightened up his game and had an answer for everything that DF launched. He just looked stronger than last fight from the 1st round.

[JxhDel.]

Moreno has grown a lot, using his enormous energy reserve efficiently and it showed in the rematch against an always tough Fig.

Vettori's match was historic given he is the first Italian going for a UFC title and he tried it all for five rounds, but Izzy humiliated him.

[Prediction...Pain]

Matt Brown, what a legend

[Impractical Poster]

Matt Brown, what a legend

I'm with you on that!

[JxhDel.]

Matt Brown, what a legend

Straight right punch and boom. Zombie vs. Ige had quite the upset stoppages (and an unusual ME for Jung, despite winning in dominant fashion).