Manny Pacquiao vs. Errol Spence VADA testing enrollment row escalates

[gilgamesh]

dont agree at all , a neutral fighter yea who cares , but a fighter representing your country or city or even ur sports team or even just like his fire to find they were on peds , i wouldnt be proud of ,it would turn me off the game though iaint navie i know drugs is rife in every sport and iam assume most fighters are taking or taken something i would rather not know stil getting over santa claus not being real , fighting to me was bring your best man , and ave it

But if nobody ever mentioned one way or the other whether a guy was on PED's you wouldn't know would you? The problem would resolve itself.

yea i agree , i dont want a know about there drug use , keep it behind close doors sell us the rocky story i dont want to know people do more drugs than myself then what do i have to aspire too no but seriously ufc was pretty much like that a few years back granted it was exciting probably the reason its so big now , your american aint ya gil did peds ruin football or baseball i would assume no

They don't ruin anything, and you can't stop anyone from doing 'em really. The ones that get caught are just the ones who don't have the right people around 'em to suggest the right masking agents. Plenty of athletes are on PED's and just don't get caught because they either know how to cycle on and off or they know which masking agents to take or whatever. The ones that get caught just don't know what they're doing or don't have the people around 'em that know what they're doing. If you just eliminate the testing, the playing field is even.

If I were a fighter I personally wouldn't take PED's anyway just for my own sense of pride, and honor, but even though I feel that way I couldn't give a sh*t less if other people do take 'em, and I wouldn't feel as if I were being cheated if my opponent was on something and I wasn't. I'd just feel as if it's a challenge for me to face.

I wouldn't be above cheating in other ways though. Such as strategic low blows or headbutts

I'd use the Felix Trinidad strategy when it came to low blows I figure.

[Enlightened-One]

None of that would be the case if you simply didn't ask, and didn't talk about it.

We live in a woke society. And your suggestion will inevitably result in the mainstream media and public automatically assuming that all fighters are doping.

A similar thought process to those that employ the “God of the gaps” fallacy.

The public don't give a f*ck. They want to be entertained.

Research has been performed on this and it has been proven for sports, such as cycling, athletics and baseball, that doping has an adverse economic impact on the sport (broadcaster coverage, sponsorship, ticket sales and audience figures).

If you just don't test 'em, and don't mention it at all. Nobody cares.

If the sports’ governing bodies and athletic commissions suddenly proclaimed that PED testing will no longer be performed in boxing, there needs to be a logical reason to explain this decision, other than levelling the playing field.

There isn’t a logical common-sense reason to ban PED testing. An extreme change to the rules like this would severely tarnish the reputation of the sport.

PED's alone ain't gonna allow you to beat a better fighter.

I 100% agree with this, but we both know that the margins between success and failure at the highest level are normally very slim.

In most cases, in terms of bouts between two world-rated fighters, one fighter only needs to have a slight edge over the other to emerge victorious.

And consuming PED's would almost certainly provide that "slight edge".

If we allowed PED’s, it wouldn’t simply be a case of one fighter being better than the other (due to sporting attributes).

It would also be a case of who has the wealth to employ the best scientists, chemists and laboratories.

I realise my words are easy to interpret as being overly-moralistic, but I have read the research and my objection is primarily due to the adverse financial impact that allowing doping would have on our beloved sport, because I already suspect that most elite-level fighters are either using PED’s or have previously used them (intentionally or accidently).

[thereverend]

PED testing is necessary in boxing because of the lethal nature of the sport. You let guys bulk up on whatever they want, you're going to have a huge increase in the number of fatalities.

[Wee Tommy]

Conte shouldn't be involved in sport, full stop. The damage he did will never be undone. And we'll never know the full depth of what he and BALCO did. fornicating disgrace how he's not been kicked in to the kerb like the piece of crap he is.

This

[Enlightened-One]

It’s been three days since Victor Conte claimed that Spence Jr. and Pacquiao hadn’t enrolled for VADA testing (yet).

And so far, VADA haven’t supplied any official confirmation to refute this claim, either via their website or their Twitter feed.

VADA always announce the fighters that enroll in their testing program.

And no one from Team Spence Jr. have refuted Victor Conte's claims either.

I’m hoping that VADA’s announcement of Spence Jr’s and Pacquiao’s enrolment in testing is simply an inevitability/formality. And if there is testing, it isn't compromised somehow (resulting in one or both fighters being tested less frequently than normal).

Apparently Pacquiao started his training camp nine days ago, with there being nine weeks to go until the 21st August fight-date.

[gilgamesh]

We live in a woke society. And your suggestion will inevitably result in the mainstream media and public automatically assuming that all fighters are doping.

A similar thought process to those that employ the “God of the gaps” fallacy.

The public don't give a f*ck. They want to be entertained.

Research has been performed on this and it has been proven for sports, such as cycling, athletics and baseball, that doping has an adverse economic impact on the sport (broadcaster coverage, sponsorship, ticket sales and audience figures).

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Let me address these 2 points. While some good has come from the supposed "Wokeness of Society" it's pretty goddamn annoying as well, and people are pretty overly dramatic and stupid about a lot of sh*t.

As for the "Research has been performed" comment. I'm sure it does hurt the Economics of the sports in question once it's put out there, and made a big deal out of. If it just wasn't brought up at all, nobody would give a sh*t. Or at least a lot less people than you'd think.

Cycling losing money probably has a lot to do with the fact that Lance Armstrong is the only Cyclist anybody has ever f*cking heard of

The Bud Selig of these sports needs to quietly sweep this stuff under the rug

I know Roy Jones and Richard Hall were both supposedly on PED's for their fight, doesn't hurt my enjoyment of it one bit.

I also know Fernando Vargas was on PED's for the De La Hoya fight, and still got his ass kicked.

And I firmly believe Pacquiao could be on whatever he wants, and Spence could be clean as a whistle, and he'd still beat Pac.

[brilo33]

But if nobody ever mentioned one way or the other whether a guy was on PED's you wouldn't know would you? The problem would resolve itself.

yea i agree , i dont want a know about there drug use , keep it behind close doors sell us the rocky story i dont want to know people do more drugs than myself then what do i have to aspire too no but seriously ufc was pretty much like that a few years back granted it was exciting probably the reason its so big now , your american aint ya gil did peds ruin football or baseball i would assume no

They don't ruin anything, and you can't stop anyone from doing 'em really. The ones that get caught are just the ones who don't have the right people around 'em to suggest the right masking agents. Plenty of athletes are on PED's and just don't get caught because they either know how to cycle on and off or they know which masking agents to take or whatever. The ones that get caught just don't know what they're doing or don't have the people around 'em that know what they're doing. If you just eliminate the testing, the playing field is even.

If I were a fighter I personally wouldn't take PED's anyway just for my own sense of pride, and honor, but even though I feel that way I couldn't give a sh*t less if other people do take 'em, and I wouldn't feel as if I were being cheated if my opponent was on something and I wasn't. I'd just feel as if it's a challenge for me to face.

I wouldn't be above cheating in other ways though. Such as strategic low blows or headbutts

I'd use the Felix Trinidad strategy when it came to low blows I figure.

totaly agree with all u said there , especially the last bit only i wouldnt call it cheating i call it an experience fighter , same as time wasting in other sports, with the olympics coming up wonder how many peds will past under the radar due to covid tests social distancing while testing is happening , the drug olympics i reckon

[Bandog]

I'm not sure if VADA is doing the testing, or just collecting the samples. Big difference.

By the way, even as a flawed boxer, would anyone here risk taking a punch from Wilder if allowed to take any peds he wants?

Look how unstoppable Manny was in the Cotto fight. After he started testing when he ran out of excuses, he looked human again. No testing, and he beat Thurman at 40 yrs old. Peds helps in a lot of ways, except skill, but most already have that.

[brilo33]

I'm not sure if VADA is doing the testing, or just collecting the samples. Big difference.

By the way, even as a flawed boxer, would anyone here risk taking a punch from Wilder if allowed to take any peds he wants?

Look how unstoppable Manny was in the Cotto fight. After he started testing when he ran out of excuses, he looked human again. No testing, and he beat Thurman at 40 yrs old. Peds helps in a lot of ways, except skill, but most already have that.

peds wouldnt really benfit wilder as he is just a power man, see peds is now for fighters like pac man they can box all day put pressurse on you from first bell to the last or mexican beef man this were the peds coming into it, also fighters moving up weights

[Enlightened-One]

Why hasn’t VADA officially confirmed they’re administering the drug testing and that they’re rules will be adhered to for the Pacquiao-Spence Jr. bout.”?

This is a WBC title fight!

Pacquiao began training camp and wasn’t being tested a long time prior to arriving on US shores.

[brilo33]

Why hasn’t VADA officially confirmed they’re administering the drug testing and that they’re rules will be adhered to for the Pacquiao-Spence Jr. bout.”?

This is a WBC title fight!

Pacquiao began training camp and wasn’t being tested a long time prior to arriving on US shores.

money talks i guess