Argentinians who've come t o the UK or Ireland and beat a Brit or Irish fighter?

[bennie]

Charlie Magri scored an amazing decision win over Argentine great Santos Laciar in 1980. Laciar was a world champion a few months later, while Charlie had to wait until 1983 to get a shot.

[bennie]

I remember that Boyle was originally slated to meet former WBC super-featherweight champion Rolando Navarette on the night but Navarette had done time in a Honolulu jail for rape and that may have ruled him out. Navarette, a southpaw like Boyle, was past his best and much easier to hit than Gutierrez, although he would have proved dangerous for a few rounds.

Didn't know it was an opponent change, that would have been a dangerous few rounds for Boyle around that time, didn't Navarette make a comeback in the nineties in the Philippines? Or am I misremembering?

Navarette was never really the same after he lost his WBC super-featherweight title to Rafael Limon in Las Vegas in May 1982. He was beating Limon on all three cards when he caved in disappointingly in the 11th of a 15-rounder. By the end of 1982, the WBC had reduced 15-rounders to 12-rounders and Navarette may have hung on to win but it's purely academic and in my mind, "Bazooka" Limon simply starts faster in a 12-rounder and launches his finishing assault in the ninth or the 10th round.
Navarette was still highly ranked and put together a winning run to secure a WBC title eliminator with Mexico's Mario "Azabache" Martinez in Los Angeles in June 1984. Martinez was only 18 but he looked much older because of a receding hairline and there was a real maturity about his work. He toyed with Navarette and stopped him in five rounds. (Martinez later had both Jeff Fenech and Azumah Nelson on the deck.) To be honest, Navarette's showing bordered on the pathetic and he was convicted of rape shortly afterwards in Hawaii and spent the next four years staving off fellow prisoners who wanted to beat up a former world champion.
On his release in 1988, he was deported back to his native Philippines and launched a comeback. He looked quite good for a while, even punching out a decision over a shopworn Bazooka Limon, but he was then beaten by Korea's Tae Jin Moon, a former world title challenger, in a crossroads fight and lost a second time to Moon in a rematch and his career fizzled out and ended in 1991.

[Fray Bentos]

I remember that Boyle was originally slated to meet former WBC super-featherweight champion Rolando Navarette on the night but Navarette had done time in a Honolulu jail for rape and that may have ruled him out. Navarette, a southpaw like Boyle, was past his best and much easier to hit than Gutierrez, although he would have proved dangerous for a few rounds.

Didn't know it was an opponent change, that would have been a dangerous few rounds for Boyle around that time, didn't Navarette make a comeback in the nineties in the Philippines? Or am I misremembering?

Navarette was never really the same after he lost his WBC super-featherweight title to Rafael Limon in Las Vegas in May 1982. He was beating Limon on all three cards when he caved in disappointingly in the 11th of a 15-rounder. By the end of 1982, the WBC had reduced 15-rounders to 12-rounders and Navarette may have hung on to win but it's purely academic and in my mind, "Bazooka" Limon simply starts faster in a 12-rounder and launches his finishing assault in the ninth or the 10th round.
Navarette was still highly ranked and put together a winning run to secure a WBC title eliminator with Mexico's Mario "Azabache" Martinez in Los Angeles in June 1984. Martinez was only 18 but he looked much older because of a receding hairline and there was a real maturity about his work. He toyed with Navarette and stopped him in five rounds. (Martinez later had both Jeff Fenech and Azumah Nelson on the deck.) To be honest, Navarette's showing bordered on the pathetic and he was convicted of rape shortly afterwards in Hawaii and spent the next four years staving off fellow prisoners who wanted to beat up a former world champion.
On his release in 1988, he was deported back to his native Philippines and launched a comeback. He looked quite good for a while, even punching out a decision over a shopworn Bazooka Limon, but he was then beaten by Korea's Tae Jin Moon, a former world title challenger, in a crossroads fight and lost a second time to Moon in a rematch and his career fizzled out and ended in 1991.

Looks like he could still do ten rounds, Bennie! There was a good write up about him here and about what he does these days, I didn't know he came from the same part of General Santos City as Pacquiao... who occasionally helps Navarette out.

https://www.tedlerner.com/2020/07/24/th ... zefighter/

I wonder what happened to Charlie Magri conquerer Frank Cedeno, I remember reading in the paper on the eve of the fight that Cedeno would either punch bark to toughen his knuckles or he would eat it because of the lack of food growing up... whichever one it was I was thinking 'Oh cripes, Charlie is in for a hard time!'

[bennie]

Didn't know it was an opponent change, that would have been a dangerous few rounds for Boyle around that time, didn't Navarette make a comeback in the nineties in the Philippines? Or am I misremembering?

Navarette was never really the same after he lost his WBC super-featherweight title to Rafael Limon in Las Vegas in May 1982. He was beating Limon on all three cards when he caved in disappointingly in the 11th of a 15-rounder. By the end of 1982, the WBC had reduced 15-rounders to 12-rounders and Navarette may have hung on to win but it's purely academic and in my mind, "Bazooka" Limon simply starts faster in a 12-rounder and launches his finishing assault in the ninth or the 10th round.
Navarette was still highly ranked and put together a winning run to secure a WBC title eliminator with Mexico's Mario "Azabache" Martinez in Los Angeles in June 1984. Martinez was only 18 but he looked much older because of a receding hairline and there was a real maturity about his work. He toyed with Navarette and stopped him in five rounds. (Martinez later had both Jeff Fenech and Azumah Nelson on the deck.) To be honest, Navarette's showing bordered on the pathetic and he was convicted of rape shortly afterwards in Hawaii and spent the next four years staving off fellow prisoners who wanted to beat up a former world champion.
On his release in 1988, he was deported back to his native Philippines and launched a comeback. He looked quite good for a while, even punching out a decision over a shopworn Bazooka Limon, but he was then beaten by Korea's Tae Jin Moon, a former world title challenger, in a crossroads fight and lost a second time to Moon in a rematch and his career fizzled out and ended in 1991.

Looks like he could still do ten rounds, Bennie! There was a good write up about him here and about what he does these days, I didn't know he came from the same part of General Santos City as Pacquiao... who occasionally helps Navarette out.

https://www.tedlerner.com/2020/07/24/th ... zefighter/

I wonder what happened to Charlie Magri conquerer Frank Cedeno, I remember reading in the paper on the eve of the fight that Cedeno would either punch bark to toughen his knuckles or he would eat it because of the lack of food growing up... whichever one it was I was thinking 'Oh cripes, Charlie is in for a hard time!'

Yes, Cedeno came out of nowhere to beat Magri for the WBC flyweight title in 1983, much like Carlos Palomino came out of nowhere to beat John H. Stracey back in 1976. The Cartel picked the softest-looking challenger in the rankings for both their men and discovered that Palomino and Cedeno were ranked for a reason. Palomino went on to make seven defences of the WBC welterweight title before he dropped a split 15-round decision to the brilliant Wilfred Benitez in Puerto Rico. Cedeno lost the WBC flyweight belt in his first defence. He was crushed in two rounds by a rangy Japanese fighter, who in turn lost the belt in his first defence to Gabriel Bernal of Mexico. However, Cedeno moved up to super-flyweight and had Gilberto Roman on the deck in a gutsy WBC title challenge in Mexico in 1987, won by Roman.
Personally, I was disappointed that Magri didn't come through against Cedeno. Magri had a habit of overtraining, in my opinion, and leaving his best fight in the gym. Magri would train even when he was ill and claimed after the Cedeno defeat that he was suffering from an inner-ear infection, which is a load of old cobblers. He simply punched himself out against the iron-jawed Cedeno. Any reserves of stamina were all used up in training. Magri later got another shot against Sot Chitalada but was pulled out after four rounds with a cut eye.

[Fray Bentos]

Top stuff, Bennie!

[forcefraser]

Jorge Vaca

[stujones]

I remember an argentinian challenged Steve Robinson also - towards the end of Robinson's reign.

[Fray Bentos]

Jorge Vaca

Mexican!

I tell you who was Argentinian though - that tough fellow who fought Mo Hope - Carlos Herrera!

[JamesPhilips]

Didn't know it was an opponent change, that would have been a dangerous few rounds for Boyle around that time, didn't Navarette make a comeback in the nineties in the Philippines? Or am I misremembering?

Navarette was never really the same after he lost his WBC super-featherweight title to Rafael Limon in Las Vegas in May 1982. He was beating Limon on all three cards when he caved in disappointingly in the 11th of a 15-rounder. By the end of 1982, the WBC had reduced 15-rounders to 12-rounders and Navarette may have hung on to win but it's purely academic and in my mind, "Bazooka" Limon simply starts faster in a 12-rounder and launches his finishing assault in the ninth or the 10th round.
Navarette was still highly ranked and put together a winning run to secure a WBC title eliminator with Mexico's Mario "Azabache" Martinez in Los Angeles in June 1984. Martinez was only 18 but he looked much older because of a receding hairline and there was a real maturity about his work. He toyed with Navarette and stopped him in five rounds. (Martinez later had both Jeff Fenech and Azumah Nelson on the deck.) To be honest, Navarette's showing bordered on the pathetic and he was convicted of rape shortly afterwards in Hawaii and spent the next four years staving off fellow prisoners who wanted to beat up a former world champion.
On his release in 1988, he was deported back to his native Philippines and launched a comeback. He looked quite good for a while, even punching out a decision over a shopworn Bazooka Limon, but he was then beaten by Korea's Tae Jin Moon, a former world title challenger, in a crossroads fight and lost a second time to Moon in a rematch and his career fizzled out and ended in 1991.

Looks like he could still do ten rounds, Bennie! There was a good write up about him here and about what he does these days, I didn't know he came from the same part of General Santos City as Pacquiao... who occasionally helps Navarette out.

https://www.tedlerner.com/2020/07/24/th ... zefighter/

I wonder what happened to Charlie Magri conquerer Frank Cedeno, I remember reading in the paper on the eve of the fight that Cedeno would either punch bark to toughen his knuckles or he would eat it because of the lack of food growing up... whichever one it was I was thinking 'Oh cripes, Charlie is in for a hard time!'

Wow he looks like one of those bodies which has been unearthed after 10,000 years, preserved by the peat…. I bet he was teak tough when they dug him up…..

[Fray Bentos]

Navarette was never really the same after he lost his WBC super-featherweight title to Rafael Limon in Las Vegas in May 1982. He was beating Limon on all three cards when he caved in disappointingly in the 11th of a 15-rounder. By the end of 1982, the WBC had reduced 15-rounders to 12-rounders and Navarette may have hung on to win but it's purely academic and in my mind, "Bazooka" Limon simply starts faster in a 12-rounder and launches his finishing assault in the ninth or the 10th round.
Navarette was still highly ranked and put together a winning run to secure a WBC title eliminator with Mexico's Mario "Azabache" Martinez in Los Angeles in June 1984. Martinez was only 18 but he looked much older because of a receding hairline and there was a real maturity about his work. He toyed with Navarette and stopped him in five rounds. (Martinez later had both Jeff Fenech and Azumah Nelson on the deck.) To be honest, Navarette's showing bordered on the pathetic and he was convicted of rape shortly afterwards in Hawaii and spent the next four years staving off fellow prisoners who wanted to beat up a former world champion.
On his release in 1988, he was deported back to his native Philippines and launched a comeback. He looked quite good for a while, even punching out a decision over a shopworn Bazooka Limon, but he was then beaten by Korea's Tae Jin Moon, a former world title challenger, in a crossroads fight and lost a second time to Moon in a rematch and his career fizzled out and ended in 1991.

Looks like he could still do ten rounds, Bennie! There was a good write up about him here and about what he does these days, I didn't know he came from the same part of General Santos City as Pacquiao... who occasionally helps Navarette out.

https://www.tedlerner.com/2020/07/24/th ... zefighter/

I wonder what happened to Charlie Magri conquerer Frank Cedeno, I remember reading in the paper on the eve of the fight that Cedeno would either punch bark to toughen his knuckles or he would eat it because of the lack of food growing up... whichever one it was I was thinking 'Oh cripes, Charlie is in for a hard time!'

Wow he looks like one of those bodies which has been unearthed after 10,000 years, preserved by the peat…. I bet he was teak tough when they dug him up…..

I wouldn't mess with him in his sleep

[Offthehook]

he didnt win but i remember Dominguez fighting enzo. quality fight and gave him some trouble early, just really liked his style.

[bennie]

Looks like he could still do ten rounds, Bennie! There was a good write up about him here and about what he does these days, I didn't know he came from the same part of General Santos City as Pacquiao... who occasionally helps Navarette out.

https://www.tedlerner.com/2020/07/24/th ... zefighter/

I wonder what happened to Charlie Magri conquerer Frank Cedeno, I remember reading in the paper on the eve of the fight that Cedeno would either punch bark to toughen his knuckles or he would eat it because of the lack of food growing up... whichever one it was I was thinking 'Oh cripes, Charlie is in for a hard time!'

Wow he looks like one of those bodies which has been unearthed after 10,000 years, preserved by the peat…. I bet he was teak tough when they dug him up…..

I wouldn't mess with him in his sleep

Yes, Navarette was a tough cookie and destined to be a world champion. He came in as a late substitute for flu-hit Rafael "Bazooka" Limon on a beautiful night in Italy in August 1981 and stunned the boxing world with a five-round knockout of Uganda's Cornelius Boza-Edwards for the WBC super-featherweight title.
Boza had won the title from Limon in a bitterly fought 15-rounder in California in March 1981 and went to war again two months later against Bobby Chacon in Las Vegas. Chacon hurt the champion several times but Boza kept punching and by the 13th round it was all Boza as he pinned Chacon on the ropes and rained southpaw hooks on the challenger, who was pulled out at the bell. Boza probably needed a rest but three months later came a scheduled rematch with Limon until the flu struck and enter Navarette, a Filipino southpaw who had lost in four rounds to Alexis Arguello in a previous world title bid (officially on cuts but Arguello was sickening the stocky Navarette with the jab).
Nobody gave Navarette a chance but he found Boza easy to hit in the early going, which was not uncommon. Boza did tend to start slowly and by the third round was beginning to to let loose. All of a sudden he nailed Navarette with a brutal right hook and the challenger went limp. Navarette stayed on his feet but tucked up desperately with his back to the ropes as Boza unloaded. Then came the moment when fate stepped in and gave Navarette the biggest break of his boxing life. Boza emerged from his barrage with a terrible cut over his left eye, undoubtedly caused by a clash of heads, and trainer George Francis couldn't stop the bleeding. Boza was now a sitting duck for Navarette's vicious right hooks and he went down twice in a desperate fourth round. Boza survived to the bell but it was just a stay of execution. In the fifth, Navarette nailed him again with the right hook and this time Boza was finished. Referee Arthur Mercante counted him out.

[coghaugen11]