Munguia vs GGG

Who wins?

Munguia
6
21%
GGG
23
79%
 
Total votes: 29

gilgamesh
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Re: Munguia vs GGG

Post by gilgamesh »

jujigatame wrote: 31 Oct 2020, 17:43
apollo creed wrote: 31 Oct 2020, 13:39
jujigatame wrote: 31 Oct 2020, 11:59 Munguia/Andrade would make 1000% more sense. GGG smashes Munguia. Munguia's defense is just too porous.
The fight would not sell and make financially sense.
I mean in sporting terms. GGG should be fighting Canelo again before he gets too old. He already may be.

GGG/Andrade would make more sense than GGG/Munguia if you actually want to see a competitive matchup.
Why? Even if GGG knocked out Canelo they'd DQ him.

They'll never let him win. He's already beat him twice.

GGG vs Munguia would be a lot more entertaining than Andrade vs anybody.
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Re: Munguia vs GGG

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gilgamesh wrote: 31 Oct 2020, 20:25
Perseus wrote: 31 Oct 2020, 16:22
gilgamesh wrote: 31 Oct 2020, 13:41

Officially he is not undefeated.

The reality is that he is.
No it is not.

No matter how much you don't like it he has been legitimately defeated.
A close decision that didn't go your way is a legit loss.
Happens all the time.
GGG has had a couple go his way.
Were those not legit wins?
I trust my own eyes more than judges who get paid off, and favor Cash Cows. I watched the Golovkin vs Canelo rematch.
No, you're just butthurt about a result you don't like.
You're obviously ok with GGG being on the good end of a tight decision but can't accept one going against him.
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Re: Munguia vs GGG

Post by gilgamesh »

Perseus wrote: 31 Oct 2020, 21:21
gilgamesh wrote: 31 Oct 2020, 20:25
Perseus wrote: 31 Oct 2020, 16:22

No it is not.

No matter how much you don't like it he has been legitimately defeated.
A close decision that didn't go your way is a legit loss.
Happens all the time.
GGG has had a couple go his way.
Were those not legit wins?
I trust my own eyes more than judges who get paid off, and favor Cash Cows. I watched the Golovkin vs Canelo rematch.
No, you're just butthurt about a result you don't like.
You're obviously ok with GGG being on the good end of a tight decision but can't accept one going against him.
Not "butthurt" at all, which is a stupid term I always thought.

Just don't agree with the decision. That's all.

I didn't think Ibeabuchi beat Tua either, and I always say so.

Whether I think a guy won by 2 points or 10, I'll always say who I think won a fight.
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Re: Munguia vs GGG

Post by Perseus »

Whatever.

I used butthurt to see what kind of response it got. Didn't get the expected response.

Anyway.......... I agree that GGG vs Munguia would be better than Andrade vs anybody.
GGG/Munguia will be entertaining for however long it lasts.
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Re: Munguia vs GGG

Post by alex.ua »

Sorry to say that, but GGG is done. 3 years ago he would've taken Munguia out without breaking a sweat. He can still beat him now, but it won't be easy.
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Re: Munguia vs GGG

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That's what makes it a fight worth seeing.
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Re: Munguia vs GGG

Post by margaret thatcher »

it's gotta f@cking happen, what a slobba knocker this one would be , young powerful lion vs the old still bad ass lion, rock em sock em robots :box:
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Re: Munguia vs GGG

Post by margaret thatcher »

munguia stopped kami faster than ggg, and macias faster than charlo ! he's fire :bag:
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Re: Munguia vs GGG

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margaret thatcher wrote: 19 Jun 2021, 23:25 munguia stopped kami faster than ggg, and macias faster than charlo ! he's fire :bag:
And he'll lose to both GGG and Charlo, that's why he'll fight some other mistmatched guy next... But Charlo and GGG will do it too. :roll:
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Re: Munguia vs GGG

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I see no reason why Munguia would get immediately matched with Golovkin when his best opponent to date has been maybe Liam Smith or Dennis Hogan. He's undefeated, he's 24, he's a beast; why squander all of that potential by risking getting him killed now? At least put him in the ring with someone like Sulecki, Murata, Derevyanchenko, or Eubank to find out what you're really dealing with (even Eubank would be a massive risk). Then, judging by that performance, you'll have more information to know whether it's safe to put him in the ring with Golovkin. Considering his MD against Dennis Hogan, he basically failed his test to see if he's ready to step up above that level.
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Re: Munguia vs GGG

Post by margaret thatcher »

man, so many of the greats, would be rolling in their graves at the mindsets today. just bash up cherry picked dudes and dont strive for the big time

heavy hands jaime can do it already, make ggg a good boi. ggg is like 40 years old or something, mungs the young lion, do we really need to do the whole 'well wait until he's even older' thingy


dennis hogan btw is no better than a number of the guys mung has bashed up before and since, that fight aint sh!t
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Re: Munguia vs GGG

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margaret thatcher wrote: 20 Jun 2021, 03:16 man, so many of the greats, would be rolling in their graves at the mindsets today. just bash up cherry picked dudes and dont strive for the big time
You seem to think that "so many of the greats" jumped from Liam Smith-caliber opponents to Gennady Golovkin-caliber opponents without fighting people in between. However, that is ignorance on your part. We're talking about a more than 10-fold jump in boxrec rating from Liam Smith to Golovkin. A more than 10-fold jump from a 2-digit rated best opponent to a 500+ rated opponent. Oscar De La Hoya never did that. RJJ never did that. Julio Cesar Chavez never did that. Roberto Duran never did that. Mike Tyson never did that. Sugar Ray Leonard never did that. Tommy Hearns never did that. Marvin Hagler never did that. Gerald McClellan never did that.

Some of the most incredible recent step-ups that paid off were Teofimo Lopez vs Lomachenko and Oscar Valdez vs Berchelt; and neither of those match-ups were 10-fold step-ups in rating. Neither were even 4-fold increases over their previous best.

Now that I think about it, I can think of a lot of fighters who moved-up as dramatically as what you're describing. But they aren't remembers as "the greats." Let's see, there's Kamil Szeremeta when he fought Golovkin and got KO'ed. There's Erickson Lubin when he fought Jermall Charlo and got KO'ed. Anthony Yarde when he fought Sergey Kovalev and got KO'ed. Oba Carr when he fought Felix Trinidad and got KO'ed. Callum Johnson when he fought Artur Beterbiev and got KO'ed. Tyrell Biggs when he fought Mike Tyson and got KO'ed. These badly flattened challengers are the "greats" you're referring to who make a 10-fold jump in caliber, against powerful punchers no less.

Sorry that you don't know anything about matchmaking in boxing, but only a dumbf*ck would move their prospect up 10-fold in caliber without bridging that move with intermediate caliber opponents. You don't manage legitimate champions-in-the-making that recklessly; you only do that to cash out cannon fodder fighters with padded records.

If you want to see an undefeated younger dude take on Golovkin, there's a little someone called Jermall Charlo who's got quite a lot more preparation building up to that fight, including a win over specifically Derevyanchenko, who Munguia still hasn't fought.
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Re: Munguia vs GGG

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gilgamesh wrote: 31 Oct 2020, 10:50
Jacopodb wrote: 31 Oct 2020, 09:57 I've always been a little skeptical about GGG and Lomachenko: considered them more dangerous than great, the ones that can drag a lot of hype.
While I consider Canelo as a pure worldwide phenom: more than the hype, he gets the true mystic aura that also got Chavez and Marquez. Lots of people mistake that aura for hype and underrate him. Even hate him.

I hope I didn't get off topic or write too much with this, and apologise if so.
GGG still hasn't actually lost though. He was just robbed twice.

That being said, at the age he's at now, that 1st legitimate undisputable loss is probably right around the corner.
That's how I'm looking at it. I'm picking Munguia even though I know he'll never be the fighter Golovkin has been.
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Re: Munguia vs GGG

Post by KiwiRider »

GGG is past it.
3 1/2 years into his slide.
Great career, time for some new blood.
margaret thatcher
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Re: Munguia vs GGG

Post by margaret thatcher »

yep, could be the righth time for mung, he's fresh and looking beastly offensively. ggg is almost 40 now and fading

both of them are dazn guys, would make sense as a changing of the guard potential type fight :bag:

munguia offensively is a bigger force than sergey
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Re: Munguia vs GGG

Post by apollo creed »

Young Munguia would be a serious threat for 40 y/o GGG. G is old and has lots of mileages.
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