Dives in boxing.

[Tuan_Jim]

I think Foreman put Moorer's tooth through his mouthpiece. His eyes were in orbit. Graham Houston at ringside wrote that there was no doubt that Moorer had been legitimately KOd. Someone will still claim it though.

[TheGman]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xrysDcXajE0

This is the worst dive ever,maybe hayes 2nd come back fight was equal lol

[Tony1244]

Brian London in his fight with Ali

Huh?

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Sinan Samil Sam v JULIUS FRANCIS.

Julius realised early on that he was never going to win this fight & he couldn't wait for the opportunity to go down in a exaggerated heap & not get up again.

[Boxerbeetle]

"Glancing blow"? You can see by the close up Liston was hit clean on the side of the jaw, his head in a position where he wouldn't see it coming. I can see how that would put a man down, even if he had previously withstood punchers. Kalambay and Tiozzo both went down quick against non punchers, having previously tackled some serious punchers.

A punch certainly landed, but it’s Liston’s behaviour on the canvas which makes it highly suspect to me, coupled with Ali’s angry reaction.

[gilgamesh]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xrysDcXajE0

I notice Briggs never fought again after that. I assume he was paid off nicely.

Rightly so though, I'd never book a guy to fight on my card though if there was video of him "losing" like that. No redeeming yourself from that.

[gilgamesh]

I think a lot of the above can be debated and argued, this one with Emmanuel Augustus is indisputable:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X2wPWMURJ4

Yep that's the Augustus dive I mention on Page 1.

[gilgamesh]

It wasn't a fake KO but a definite throw of the fight was the rematch between Jonathan Banks and Seth Mitchell. Banks had sparked Mitchell the first time around and in the second he had him out on his feet and ready to go again and then just kinda stopped fighting and let Mitchell win on points.

That's how bad Mitchell's chin was. Banks almost KO'd him by accident. I guess a lot of people had a lot invested in him.

Yeah. I almost never think a fight is "fixed" that goes the distance. At least not as the fighters are concerned. You can certainly question the judges, but yeah you're assessment of this one is dead on. No way to explain why Mitchell didn't get knocked out except that Banks simply stopped fighting because I assume there was something in it for him NOT to win again.

Pretty much killed whatever was left of Banks' career as a fighter. Though I'm sure he made some good money being Wlad's cornerman. Probably better than when he was fighting.

[stujones]

Clifford Ettienne against Tyson.....Took a big punch and got put down, clearly thought f*ck that, took his gumshield out and pretended to be out of it.

I reckon that was just an instinct reaction - that was a beauty of a punch and the way Etteine's leg went there is no way he was going to be fine had he got up.

[stujones]

Sinan Samil San v JULIUS FRANCIS.

Julius realised early on that he was never going to win this fight & he couldn't wait for the opportunity to go down in a exaggerated heap & not get up again.

Don't think was a dive as such - I think Julius knew when he was beat and had the mindset that he would rather be able to be fresh for his future than take a beat down - I think there are other examples of Julius where you could think "hang on, he could have continued". He just didn't mind saying "no, not this night".

[Tuan_Jim]

Sinan Samil San v JULIUS FRANCIS.

Julius realised early on that he was never going to win this fight & he couldn't wait for the opportunity to go down in a exaggerated heap & not get up again.

Don't think was a dive as such - I think Julius knew when he was beat and had the mindset that he would rather be able to be fresh for his future than take a beat down - I think there are other examples of Julius where you could think "hang on, he could have continued". He just didn't mind saying "no, not this night".

I thought he just wanted to better the 6 rds Danny Williams managed then get out. He looked like he could have lasted vs Zeljko Mavrovic but seemed to quit. And yet vs Axel Schulz he was down a couple of times but stayed in there.

[dalcumly]

Honestly!!!

Does anyone REALLY think Ali's punch flattened that BIG UGLY BEAR. I've got a dozen of Liston's fights on tape ( Williams, Machen etc) in some of these he was hit with punches which would have knocked down a house and they simply didn't register. Liston was an absolute MONSTER. He got hit with a dozen heavier punches by Ali in their first fight and all they did was provoke him. He gave up in the first fight because Ali was too quick and in the second fight he did want to take as much punishment for less money.

[jamamb]

I think a lot of the above can be debated and argued, this one with Emmanuel Augustus is indisputable:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X2wPWMURJ4

Yep that's the Augustus dive I mention on Page 1.

does that also say there were just seconds left in the 12th? guessing he had a bet on KO? obviously he put himself down.

[gilgamesh]

I don't know if he had a bet or not, but he'd definitely been paid to lose by KO or something. The flurry that puts him down is little more than a guy just moving his hands quickly in a slapping motion several times as Augustus just falls backward.

I would assume somebody paid him to take a dive, but also wanted the fight to go almost the distance so that people felt they had gotten their money's worth or something. I don't know.

Boos should've been raining down as soon as he went down like that.

[bennie]

Does anyone think this is a first-round dive? Galaxy is down for a while and I do believe that Espinosa, who could really whack, hurt him with a left hook to the temple not once but twice. The second left hook is hard to see because Galaxy has his back to the camera but he definitely gets caught.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCMM8rrKdX4

[lurkyshaka]

Does anyone think this is a first-round dive? Galaxy is down for a while and I do believe that Espinosa, who could really whack, hurt him with a left hook to the temple not once but twice. The second left hook is hard to see because Galaxy has his back to the camera but he definitely gets caught.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCMM8rrKdX4

No dive....tooo weird to be a dive imo.

At first glance it almost looked more like he fainted, then the replay does show a heavy punch landed but certainly a long, long time before he goes over. Delayed action and then some. He did wipe his glove over his face and that would give an indication there was some kind of issue.

Very strange, sort of disturbing. I don't rule out him just fainting, or it was the after effect of a punch landed somewhere earlier....but nothing corrupt going on. Just a very weird ending.

[lurkyshaka]

Clifford Ettienne against Tyson.....Took a big punch and got put down, clearly thought f*ck that, took his gumshield out and pretended to be out of it.

I reckon that was just an instinct reaction - that was a beauty of a punch and the way Etteine's leg went there is no way he was going to be fine had he got up.

I dunno....I don't dispute the punch was genuine, just the reaction. I don't think it is instinctive to pull a gumshield out. Certainly not as cleanly as Ettienne managed. I think he didn't like what he got hit with, and thought that'll do. I'm getting paid regardless and took the exit door.

[PredatorHayds]

I think Foreman put Moorer's tooth through his mouthpiece. His eyes were in orbit. Graham Houston at ringside wrote that there was no doubt that Moorer had been legitimately KOd. Someone will still claim it though.

Correct.

Think Atlas mentions in his book that the punch caused serious damage to Moorers mouthpiece.

One thing Foreman never lost was his power .

[funso banjo baby]

Malik Scott is the most outrageous one recently because it was promoted as a world class level fight.

That 'crossed' fight is far worse than all the drugs bollox imo

there are obvious dives where fighters are brought in to pad prospects records etc take the Dubois ko? of dave Howe as a recent example, but these are part and parcel of the game unfortunately.

[DrDuke]

It's time to revive the thread with some awful recent ones.

Flores against Ortiz.

Redkach against Prograis.

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Rumours of Rogan v fury.

[Kit]

I remember Dan Sherry taking a dive after a light headbutt from Eubank to try and get him disqualified.

I thought the rolling around after was pure theatrics, but reading a longtime after he actually swallowed a load of blood while rolling around on the floor and ended up in a serious way.

Still he ended up getting jobbed by the judges when it went to a technical decision.

[oogiebe]

Jason Bergman def flopped vs Trey Lippe.

[IRONFIST]

The Sonny Liston dive in the second fight with Ali. Even Ali himself knew Liston took a dive and was shouting and gesturing at him to get up. It reminds me of the classic boxing episode of Porridge where there was a race between Godber and his opponent as to which one of them would hit the canvas first (both were told to take a dive)...

[DrDuke]

The Sonny Liston dive in the second fight with Ali. Even Ali himself knew Liston took a dive and was shouting and gesturing at him to get up. It reminds me of the classic boxing episode of Porridge where there was a race between Godber and his opponent as to which one of them would hit the canvas first (both were told to take a dive)...

That's probably the worst dive in boxing because of the importance of the fight, poor Liston's acting and referee's mistake, which exposed Liston even more.

However, the recent Redkach's dive was so awful, that it's close.