Robert Helenius vs. Adam Kownacki II - October 9, 2021

[candyslim]

I think, someone gets KOed and most likely it'll be Kownacki again. Kownacki won't outbox Helenius, he's just not capable of it. Kownacki will go at Helenius with his mauling onslaught again, but he won't become a defensive wizard for the rematch. Kownacki's chances for the win are in chopping Helenious down before Helenius chops down Kownacki. And Helenius still has an advantage of being sharper, more precise and way more hard-hitting. Helenius will repeat.

That's exactly how I see it. It'll be interesting though. Babyface now knows what he's up against and I'm intrigued to see what he's going to do in order to avoid a repeat of the first result. If indeed he is capable of any change.

[funso banjo baby]

This is a very unimaginative rematch.
Helenius deserves a bigger fight.
This is just a poor attempt to resurrect the plodding kownaki. I hope helenius wins again.

[JxhDel.]

Helenius has shown he is back at it again and should make it again if Kownacki has not made any reparation.

[H8Usernames]

I always said Kownacki was a fraud. No way he can do anything new inside the ring to beat Helenius. Only way H loses is if he goes in with a covid19 infection etc or they bribe him to lose.

[oogiebe]

I wouldn't bet on this fight. Either could win. Who lands first.

[margaret thatcher]

intested to see how kownacki approaches this, because i don't really think he can backfoot box, but if he just wades forward then he's walking right into shots again, and he couldnt take them well last time, whereas helenius was eating his shots okay

helenius has the opposite of the usual, in that his power actually tends to look bigger vs better opponents . if you want to see him plod to an uneventful decision, match him with a random 8-19 guy

[aicheligad]

I always said Kownacki was a fraud. No way he can do anything new inside the ring to beat Helenius. Only way H loses is if he goes in with a covid19 infection etc or they bribe him to lose.

It's not like Helenius looked unbeatable in their first fight.

[margaret thatcher]

kownacki was winning. he can win rounds by mauling helenius, who can be a bit lazy. will the chin hold up better? that is the question, he needs it to....

[candyslim]

This is a very unimaginative rematch.
Helenius deserves a bigger fight.
This is just a poor attempt to resurrect the plodding kownaki. I hope helenius wins again.

Unimaginative it may be, but most logical and sensible courses of action tend to be more obvious than imaginative.

A bigger fight? What like a rematch against Washington you mean?

Washington beat Helenius who beat Kownacki who beat Washington and Martin who beat Washington who beat Helenius who beat ... (rinse and repeat)

My point is that these guys are all on or about the same level and Helenius is no more deserving than the others. I would suggest Kownacki the most deserving as he has beaten two of the others and conversely, Washington the least.

[lazboy]

kownacki was winning. he can win rounds by mauling helenius, who can be a bit lazy. will the chin hold up better? that is the question, he needs it to....

Kownacki should be able to make an adjustment. Helenius fights with little confidence and/or borderline fear. Even knowing he holds a KO over his opponent may not give him confidence. Lol. Who’s knows. It’s a good, evenly matched fight. Revenge not repeat for me.

[lazboy]

This is a very unimaginative rematch.
Helenius deserves a bigger fight.
This is just a poor attempt to resurrect the plodding kownaki. I hope helenius wins again.

Unimaginative it may be, but most logical and sensible courses of action tend to be more obvious than imaginative.

A bigger fight? What like a rematch against Washington you mean?

Washington beat Helenius who beat Kownacki who beat Washington and Martin who beat Washington who beat Helenius who beat ... (rinse and repeat)

My point is that these guys are all on or about the same level and Helenius is no more deserving than the others. I would suggest Kownacki the most deserving as he has beaten two of the others and conversely, Washington the least.

Spot on. It’s an intriguing rematch and nothing to complain about. Evenly matched and a legitimate chance for the loser to redeem themselves plus another payday/opp for Helenius who was borderline irrelevant.

[margaret thatcher]

kownacki was winning. he can win rounds by mauling helenius, who can be a bit lazy. will the chin hold up better? that is the question, he needs it to....

Kownacki should be able to make an adjustment. Helenius fights with little confidence and/or borderline fear. Even knowing he holds a KO over his opponent may not give him confidence. Lol. Who’s knows. It’s a good, evenly matched fight. Revenge not repeat for me.

im like, how does a guy like him adjust though

[lazboy]

kownacki was winning. he can win rounds by mauling helenius, who can be a bit lazy. will the chin hold up better? that is the question, he needs it to....

Kownacki should be able to make an adjustment. Helenius fights with little confidence and/or borderline fear. Even knowing he holds a KO over his opponent may not give him confidence. Lol. Who’s knows. It’s a good, evenly matched fight. Revenge not repeat for me.

im like, how does a guy like him adjust though

I’m thinking he just needs to be mindful of that right hand and hopefully that is a part of his training. A more patient approach maybe also.

Listen, who knows...that’s what makes it interesting.

[Ruthless-RKO]

This rematch should have happened already.

[Onetimeonly]

This rematch should have happened already.

I don't even know why either side would take it.

[candyslim]

Well Kownacki was unbeaten before Helenius nailed him so he probably feels this demon needs to be exorcised before he can get back on track.

Helenius taking Kownacki's scalp was a recent high point in a disappointing career that once looked so promising. He probably thinks Kownacki was an easy win that was a nice little payday and earned him respect. I'm sure he believes he can repeat the performance without difficulty.

It should be interesting: Kownacki knows now that he fought Helenius the wrong way, but the evidence so far suggests that's the only way he knows how to fight. What can he do differently? It's a problem Deontay and Malik are also currently working on.

[Onetimeonly]

Well Kownacki was unbeaten before Helenius nailed him so he probably feels this demon needs to be exorcised before he can get back on track.

Helenius taking Kownacki's scalp was a recent high point in a disappointing career that once looked so promising. He probably thinks Kownacki was an easy win that was a nice little payday and earned him respect. I'm sure he believes he can repeat the performance without difficulty.

It should be interesting: Kownacki knows now that he fought Helenius the wrong way, but the evidence so far suggests that's the only way he knows how to fight. What can he do differently? It's a problem Deontay and Malik are also currently working on.

Fair points, I'd just think helenius could get a bigger name and check. Kownacki can draw a crowd so I'd think he could rebuild into a bigger money fight too. This could be a price/Thompson situation for him. Not that I consider either to be a contender, just from a business aspect I don't see a big upside for either.

Wilder getting his ass kicked again is by far his most lucrative option and fury has no choice.

[aicheligad]

Who is the fighter who would guarantee a bigger check for Helenius? We know that Fury, Joshua, Wilder and Usyk are busy and the rest of the top 10/15 doesn't seem to be interested in fighting the Nordic Nightmare (or, like Whyte, already fought him). Kownacki generates relatively big interest and I guess that he guarantees a bigger check than Pulev, Hunter, Kabayel, Ortiz etc. It's my guess though, I can be wrong.

[Onetimeonly]

Who is the fighter who would guarantee a bigger check for Helenius? We know that Fury, Joshua, Wilder and Usyk are busy and the rest of the top 10/15 doesn't seem to be interested in fighting the Nordic Nightmare (or, like Whyte, already fought him). Kownacki generates relatively big interest and I guess that he guarantees a bigger check than Pulev, Hunter, Kabayel, Ortiz etc. It's my guess though, I can be wrong.

You may well be right, I didn't mean immediate. But there aren't that many money men at heavyweight. Heck, Eddie would probably toss a chisora rematch on ppv.

[candyslim]

Well Kownacki was unbeaten before Helenius nailed him so he probably feels this demon needs to be exorcised before he can get back on track.

Helenius taking Kownacki's scalp was a recent high point in a disappointing career that once looked so promising. He probably thinks Kownacki was an easy win that was a nice little payday and earned him respect. I'm sure he believes he can repeat the performance without difficulty.

It should be interesting: Kownacki knows now that he fought Helenius the wrong way, but the evidence so far suggests that's the only way he knows how to fight. What can he do differently? It's a problem Deontay and Malik are also currently working on.

Fair points, I'd just think helenius could get a bigger name and check. Kownacki can draw a crowd so I'd think he could rebuild into a bigger money fight too. This could be a price/Thompson situation for him. Not that I consider either to be a contender, just from a business aspect I don't see a big upside for either.

Wilder getting his ass kicked again is by far his most lucrative option and fury has no choice.

A Price v Thompson repeat is a very real risk but even if it isn't sensible there are some things a fighter just has to do. Recent examples at heavyweight Ruiz v Joshua II, Povetkin v Whyte II, and even Fury v Wilder II. I gave Fury no chance in the first fight but logically if Wilder couldn't beat a rusty Fury in the first fight, what made him think he was going to beat a fully restored Fury in the rematch?

I guess the answer is that a successful fighter has to believe he can easily accomplish what a knowledgeable onlooker might consider an extremely difficult task, or he wouldn't be that successful fighter.

And now Fury thinks he is going to destroy Wilder. Maybe he will but there is no denying Wilder is an extremely dangerous fighter and probably never more so than now that he's licking his wounds and seething with hatred. If Fury takes him lightly he runs a huge risk of giving back to him the unification fortune he stole away from Wilder's clutches. How ironic would that be? How moronic would that be?

[Onetimeonly]

I'm speaking from an advisory stand point. Kownacki isn't very good but hes definitely a gamer.

Your other examples were much bigger fights.

[candyslim]

That's true of course but the psychology doesn't change.

[Onetimeonly]

That's true of course but the psychology doesn't change.

Money doesn't change the psychology in prize fighting?

[Ruthless-RKO]

PPV Undercard Press Release

Four big heavyweight fights in one historic night at T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas. Three can’t-miss heavyweight showdowns have been added to the televised PPV undercard of the highly anticipated third fight between WBC and lineal heavyweight world champion Tyson “The Gypsy King” Fury and former heavyweight world champion Deontay “The Bronze Bomber” Wilder.

In the 10-round co-main event, 2016 Nigerian Olympian “The One and Only” Efe Ajagba will take on fellow unbeaten Frank “The Cuban Flash” Sanchez. The PPV telecast also includes the 12-round rematch between Finland’s Robert “The Nordic Nightmare” Helenius and Polish star Adam “Babyface” Kownacki, who was stopped by Helenius in the fourth round of their first bout in March 2020.

The eight-round PPV opener will see Toledo-born Jared “The Real Big Baby” Anderson step up in class against undefeated Russian contender Vladimir Tereshkin.

Anderson (9-0, 9 KOs) has not tasted the final bell as a professional, a dominant run that began with a first-round stoppage in his pro debut less than two years ago. He has five first-round knockouts and became the breakout star of the MGM Grand Las Vegas Bubble, where he went 5-0. After closing out his Bubble run with a sixth-round knockout over Kingsley Ibeh, Anderson returned April 10 with a second-round blitzing of Jeremiah Karpency. Anderson was Fury’s primary sparring partner for the Wilder rematch and will serve in the same capacity for the trilogy bout. Tereshkin (22-0-1, 12 KOs) a 6’6 southpaw, is a 14-year professional who has won 14 consecutive fights since the lone draw on his ledger.

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[candyslim]

That's true of course but the psychology doesn't change.

Money doesn't change the psychology in prize fighting?

Of course but I'm talking about the desire to set the record straight when you suffer a defeat.