do racial double standards exist in boxing

[margaret thatcher]

a guy in another section, raised this point.. with some good contrasts. agree or disagree?

the issues been brought up by wilder recently, saying fury benefit in the rematch from white privlege

Example:
shak Stevenson puts on a boxing clinic = boring without power
Osyk puts on a boxing clinic = he's a master technician that doesn't rely on power and should be appreciated

Ward holds = dirty because it's his style
Hatton holds = should be allowed because it's his style


Charlo and Haney steps on gas to try to hurt opponent and gas out = he was hurt and exposed
Plant steps on gas and tries to stop Uzi = he was trying to be exciting

[DrDuke]

They exist everywhere.

[H8Usernames]

Hatton fan: Hatton should be allowed to hug and suck dick.
Someone who doesn't appreciate Hatton: Hatton is fighting dirty and should get a point deduction.

Which one is the racist with double standards? Both of them maybe? This racism question its absolute nonsense.

I'm a white fellow and I could never stand the Hatton hype. Does this make a racetraitor or a self hating white person?

I also greatly appreciate the work that Lennox Lewis did inside the square ring. What's with that? Rooting for someone who is not "one of my people"?

If people are childish and ignorant enough to base their appreciation and lack there of on the skin color or nationality of a fighter then more power to them really, hope the idiots have a blast rooting for their fighter.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Nearly all american fans found hatton boring. Lots called him mini ruiz. The brits loved him because of personality

Brits loved frank bruno for gods sake

People say usyk is a great boxer because hes fighting guys 20 lbs larger. If stevenson went up to welter and outslicked people and gunned for a spence fight people would be more than impressed

People love watching spence, davis, joshua etc.

If you frame everything in terms of race of course you will see racism everywhere. Confirmation bias

[Impractical Poster]

With some they do, others not.

There will always be individual racism to some degree. However, when there is racism at the corporate level that affects peoples livelihood, as in getting passed up for a promotion, given a fight, etc... because of their nationality/skin color, then that's a huge problem

[Kronkpride]

In all my years here experiencing boxing fans from all over the world I cannot ever remember anybody who only supported and opposed fighters based on their race. Nationalism is big in boxing and even with that I cannot ever remember running into a fan here who would strictly only support boxers from a single nation.

The problem with race issues these days is that most area of the issue is very grey. But we have a massive surge in complete retards trying to make grey areas appear to be black and white. People have become so moronic that they will call somebody a racist over some minor grey area position even when the person has oodles of evidence with them that they are not racist. The same thing is happening with nations and institutions. Complete low life liars are attacking everything today with race even when the overwhelming evidence shows they are liars. You cannot even present your evidence contrary to the claim of racism today without getting labeled as racist for it.

We need to start going after the scums of the Earth attacking everyone and everything with fake racism claims. We have a ton of laws on the books that are supposed to stop the type of slander and libel that is occurring via these liberal degenerates who are attacking everyone with race. The main problem right now though is that the laws and standards are not even being attempted to be enforced equally. The same people making the false claims everywhere actually expose themselves as the true racists and criminals because they will not support equal law or equal enforcement of it because of their hatred for others. Civil rights is under attack and dying quickly because of these liberal sickos. The media amplifies their lies and manipulation of things even though none of their shit holds any real water. There is more holes in the white supremacy and systematic racism claims against nations than there is in a piece of swiss cheese. Ungodly amounts of stupidity and corruption have been ruling the day lately. We don't even get real news anymore and it is just a bunch of propaganda from BBC to CNN to FOX to the rest. Whatever they are saying is much more likely to be fictitious than real.

Contrary to what all these arseholes are trying to do today, it is ok for a person of any race to not like another person of any race for all of the same reasons they don't like a person of the same race as theirs. The vast majority of all things questioned right now are completely normal, ok, and don't have a thing to do with racism. And the irony in it all is as clear as can be for any with eyes to see. The people acting and doing the most racist things the last year and a half are those same people accusing others of being what they actually are. You do not have to support some racist group of criminals on the streets chanting racist things and attacking the police and rule of law. In fact, it should be the other way. You have a duty to yourself and neighbors to oppose these sickos at every turn. You are not a racist for opposing them you are simply a true supporter of the rule of law and way above the sickening race games and organized crime of the villains on the streets. F all those street urchins.

[gilgamesh]

I like exciting fighter, and can even respect and appreciate a reasonably exciting fighter that is willing to take on all worthy challengers.

I get annoyed by guys who go long stretches without meaningful challenges or guys who stink out the joint on a regular basis. Regardless of skin tone or where they're from or whatever else.

[Contendeh]

How does Fury benefit from white privilege?

What is far more apparent from the Wilder v Fury fights is how difficult it is for many African Americans to acknowledge that an African American was beaten, and soundly, by a white fighter.

The “glove conspiracy” is so fabricated, so based in a fantasy world, it’s hard to explain.

If Wilder is beaten (for arguably the third time, but certainly again), he will most likely be written off by “his community” as a bum (as he largely is now).

Should Wilder win, it will be a vindication of baseless conspiracy theories.

I don’t see that as privilege. It’s pretty much a lose lose for Tyson Fury.

[Enlightened-One]

Fight fans in general apply double-standards. These individuals are known as morons.

Fighters they dislike are held accountable and ridiculed for committing the same proverbial “crimes” as their heroes (who are defended at all cost).

Whether their favouritism is due to racial bias or not is solely reliant on how incredibly moronic the hypocrite is.

[gilgamesh]

How does Fury benefit from white privilege?

What is far more apparent from the Wilder v Fury fights is how difficult it is for many African Americans to acknowledge that an African American was beaten, and soundly, by a white fighter.

The “glove conspiracy” is so fabricated, so based in a fantasy world, it’s hard to explain.

If Wilder is beaten (for arguably the third time, but certainly again), he will most likely be written off by “his community” as a bum (as he largely is now).

Should Wilder win, it will be a vindication of baseless conspiracy theories.

I don’t see that as privilege. It’s pretty much a lose lose for Tyson Fury.

It's definitely not lose lose for Fury because it keeps him in the running for the biggest Heavyweight fight of the new Century so far.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Beloved white fighters like ali, leonard, hearns, foreman, holyfield...had they been black like kelly pavlik i do t thi k they would have famous

[Contendeh]

How does Fury benefit from white privilege?

What is far more apparent from the Wilder v Fury fights is how difficult it is for many African Americans to acknowledge that an African American was beaten, and soundly, by a white fighter.

The “glove conspiracy” is so fabricated, so based in a fantasy world, it’s hard to explain.

If Wilder is beaten (for arguably the third time, but certainly again), he will most likely be written off by “his community” as a bum (as he largely is now).

Should Wilder win, it will be a vindication of baseless conspiracy theories.

I don’t see that as privilege. It’s pretty much a lose lose for Tyson Fury.

It's definitely not lose lose for Fury because it keeps him in the running for the biggest Heavyweight fight of the new Century so far.

Right. But that’s something he earned without a 3rd wilder fight which makes this fight a lose or really, really lose fight.

I mean, apart from the money!

[Lenny Cravats]

There are unconscious biases in everything we do, I can't imagine boxing is the one place where it doesn't happen.
We've heard commentators describe African boxers as 'Teak tough' every time they're over here - no matter who they are.

[gilgamesh]

How does Fury benefit from white privilege?

What is far more apparent from the Wilder v Fury fights is how difficult it is for many African Americans to acknowledge that an African American was beaten, and soundly, by a white fighter.

The “glove conspiracy” is so fabricated, so based in a fantasy world, it’s hard to explain.

If Wilder is beaten (for arguably the third time, but certainly again), he will most likely be written off by “his community” as a bum (as he largely is now).

Should Wilder win, it will be a vindication of baseless conspiracy theories.

I don’t see that as privilege. It’s pretty much a lose lose for Tyson Fury.

It's definitely not lose lose for Fury because it keeps him in the running for the biggest Heavyweight fight of the new Century so far.

Right. But that’s something he earned without a 3rd wilder fight which makes this fight a lose or really, really lose fight.

I mean, apart from the money!

Wilder was contractually obliged this 3rd fight. If Fury didn't like that he didn't have to sign the contract, but he did.

[Thomastearns]

"We need to start going after the scums of the Earth attacking everyone and everything with fake racism claims. We have a ton of laws on the books that are supposed to stop the type of slander and libel that is occurring via these liberal degenerates who are attacking everyone with race. The main problem right now though is that the laws and standards are not even being attempted to be enforced equally. The same people making the false claims everywhere actually expose themselves as the true racists and criminals because they will not support equal law or equal enforcement of it because of their hatred for others. Civil rights is under attack and dying quickly because of these liberal sickos. The media amplifies their lies and manipulation of things even though none of their shit holds any real water."



A refreshingly clear sighted analysis.

People are getting played left right and centre, especially young impressionable kids. The real sickos are the older ones who know fully well what they are doing here.

Mere pieces on someone else's chess game.

The same ancient tactic - divide and conquer.

[H8Usernames]

How does Fury benefit from white privilege?

What is far more apparent from the Wilder v Fury fights is how difficult it is for many African Americans to acknowledge that an African American was beaten, and soundly, by a white fighter.

The “glove conspiracy” is so fabricated, so based in a fantasy world, it’s hard to explain.

If Wilder is beaten (for arguably the third time, but certainly again), he will most likely be written off by “his community” as a bum (as he largely is now).

Should Wilder win, it will be a vindication of baseless conspiracy theories.

I don’t see that as privilege. It’s pretty much a lose lose for Tyson Fury.

I'm a white guy and I think that some of Wilders theories such as displacing the glove are true. Can I claim to be "black on the inside" because of that?

[world ranked]

How does Fury benefit from white privilege?

What is far more apparent from the Wilder v Fury fights is how difficult it is for many African Americans to acknowledge that an African American was beaten, and soundly, by a white fighter.

The “glove conspiracy” is so fabricated, so based in a fantasy world, it’s hard to explain.

If Wilder is beaten (for arguably the third time, but certainly again), he will most likely be written off by “his community” as a bum (as he largely is now).

Should Wilder win, it will be a vindication of baseless conspiracy theories.

I don’t see that as privilege. It’s pretty much a lose lose for Tyson Fury.

I'm a white guy and I think that some of Wilders theories such as displacing the glove are true. Can I claim to be "black on the inside" because of that?

You can claim it but no black person will vouch for it.

[1okstcsb]

I think it helps if The Fan Base of the Fighters Country is big, you will likely get more Opportunies, Example Mexican and British Fans are Great at Supporting their fighters, so it probably helps get big fights. The USA has the most Depth of top Fighters but they don't draw what their ability deserves, Terrence Crawford can't ask for more ability but he does not draw well, Andre Ward same, Charlo Brothers don't draw so well There are major exceptions (Ali, Mike Tyson, Sugar ray Leonard, Mayweather Jr Etc) Cuban and Former Soviet Countries fighters are in the same boat as their Countrymen are not nearly as big a fan base as British, Mexican or Even Puerto Ricans, even when they have off the charts ability as fighters, it is hard to get big fights.

[Cyclops]

How does Fury benefit from white privilege?

What is far more apparent from the Wilder v Fury fights is how difficult it is for many African Americans to acknowledge that an African American was beaten, and soundly, by a white fighter.

The “glove conspiracy” is so fabricated, so based in a fantasy world, it’s hard to explain.

If Wilder is beaten (for arguably the third time, but certainly again), he will most likely be written off by “his community” as a bum (as he largely is now).

Should Wilder win, it will be a vindication of baseless conspiracy theories.

I don’t see that as privilege. It’s pretty much a lose lose for Tyson Fury.

I'm a white guy and I think that some of Wilders theories such as displacing the glove are true. Can I claim to be "black on the inside" because of that?

The displaced glove theory is so idiotic it still irritates me to this day. As a kick boxer, I can remember hearing stories about fighters who wanted their glove down their wrist as possible to increase their reach and score points. It didn't increase their power, it just meant they could touch their opponent easier. I also remember Bas Ruten telling stories about how he used 'bone strikes' when he fought in Pancrase https://www.mixedmartialarts.com/street ... e-strikes/ which seems far more likely the way Fury used strikes in the Wilder fights than him hitting people with his finger knuckles inside the gloves and purposefully breaking his hands like brain damaged morons such as Wilder and Steve Cunningham suggest. Are strikes like that legal? Well, nobody disputes the first round knockdown from Roy Jones against Calzaghe even though it was with the forearm rather than the fist, do they? If people were talking about the more realistic ways that Fury 'bends the rules' like, he slaps with power, then I might have more time for them. To me, it's obvious what he's doing. Cunningham said something along the lines of, well if you know you're going to break your hand in a fight it doesn't matter because you're so full of adrenalin you won't feel it" which is unbelievably stupid. Didn't Hagler and Hearns go to absolute war to KO each other because Tommy broke his hand and Hagler got cut and neither could fight on much longer?

If Wilder fanboys were saying "Fury heeled Wilder" I'd say yeah, I think you're right. They're not. They're saying he loosened his glove so he could punch with the knuckles on his fingers and break his hands on purpose" and that's beyond stupid. Just hitting somebody with your knuckles in a glove is far more damaging.

The heeling thing I can totally go with, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I DO. So I can see he beat up Wilder with a combination of heels, closed hand punches and slaps. SLAPS. grow up and deal with it. The other theories are beyond stupid.

[Cyclops]

Double post

[H8Usernames]

How does Fury benefit from white privilege?

What is far more apparent from the Wilder v Fury fights is how difficult it is for many African Americans to acknowledge that an African American was beaten, and soundly, by a white fighter.

The “glove conspiracy” is so fabricated, so based in a fantasy world, it’s hard to explain.

If Wilder is beaten (for arguably the third time, but certainly again), he will most likely be written off by “his community” as a bum (as he largely is now).

Should Wilder win, it will be a vindication of baseless conspiracy theories.

I don’t see that as privilege. It’s pretty much a lose lose for Tyson Fury.

I'm a white guy and I think that some of Wilders theories such as displacing the glove are true. Can I claim to be "black on the inside" because of that?

You can claim it but no black person will vouch for it.

Actually there are plenty of good black folks that would vouch for me.

[H8Usernames]

How does Fury benefit from white privilege?

What is far more apparent from the Wilder v Fury fights is how difficult it is for many African Americans to acknowledge that an African American was beaten, and soundly, by a white fighter.

The “glove conspiracy” is so fabricated, so based in a fantasy world, it’s hard to explain.

If Wilder is beaten (for arguably the third time, but certainly again), he will most likely be written off by “his community” as a bum (as he largely is now).

Should Wilder win, it will be a vindication of baseless conspiracy theories.

I don’t see that as privilege. It’s pretty much a lose lose for Tyson Fury.

I'm a white guy and I think that some of Wilders theories such as displacing the glove are true. Can I claim to be "black on the inside" because of that?

The displaced glove theory is so idiotic it still irritates me to this day. As a kick boxer, I can remember hearing stories about fighters who wanted their glove down their wrist as possible to increase their reach and score points. It didn't increase their power, it just meant they could touch their opponent easier. I also remember Bas Ruten telling stories about how he used 'bone strikes' when he fought in Pancrase https://www.mixedmartialarts.com/street ... e-strikes/ which seems far more likely the way Fury used strikes in the Wilder fights than him hitting people with his finger knuckles inside the gloves and purposefully breaking his hands like brain damaged morons such as Wilder and Steve Cunningham suggest. Are strikes like that legal? Well, nobody disputes the first round knockdown from Roy Jones against Calzaghe even though it was with the forearm rather than the fist, do they? If people were talking about the more realistic ways that Fury 'bends the rules' like, he slaps with power, then I might have more time for them. To me, it's obvious what he's doing. Cunningham said something along the lines of, well if you know you're going to break your hand in a fight it doesn't matter because you're so full of adrenalin you won't feel it" which is unbelievably stupid. Didn't Hagler and Hearns go to absolute war to KO each other because Tommy broke his hand and Hagler got cut and neither could fight on much longer?

If Wilder fanboys were saying "Fury heeled Wilder" I'd say yeah, I think you're right. They're not. They're saying he loosened his glove so he could punch with the knuckles on his fingers and break his hands on purpose" and that's beyond stupid. Just hitting somebody with your knuckles in a glove is far more damaging.

The heeling thing I can totally go with, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I DO. So I can see he beat up Wilder with a combination of heels, closed hand punches and slaps. SLAPS. grow up and deal with it. The other theories are beyond stupid.

Eh. You are very passionate about this whole nonsense. I believe that Fury tried to pull his glove down to gain an advantage. The tapes certainly suggest it. Then there is the question did he really gain any huge advantage from that? Answer is: who cares? Another good question is did he need an advantage? Anwswer to that one is probably: no.

Stay blinded by passion. F do I care?

[margaret thatcher]

floppy egg weight gloves

[aicheligad]

Racism is almost nonexistent in current world.

[world ranked]

Racism is almost nonexistent in current world.

What a crock.