do racial double standards exist in boxing

[world ranked]

I'm a white guy and I think that some of Wilders theories such as displacing the glove are true. Can I claim to be "black on the inside" because of that?

You can claim it but no black person will vouch for it.

Actually there are plenty of good black folks that would vouch for me.

Sure I wouldnt. What does "black on the inside" mean anyway.

[margaret thatcher]

if youre black on the inside, sounds like youve got a health problem

[Onetimeonly]

if youre black on the inside, sounds like youve got a health problem

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Sounds more like some sad ass machine gun Kelly or Drake bs.

[squiggy]

Eh. You are very passionate about this whole nonsense. I believe that Fury tried to pull his glove down to gain an advantage. The tapes certainly suggest it. Then there is the question did he really gain any huge advantage from that? Answer is: who cares? Another good question is did he need an advantage? Anwswer to that one is probably: no.

Stay blinded by passion. F do I care?

I mean, it's a dumb thing that, unless I missed something, was brought into the conversation by you. Doesn't really work for you to try to make somebody else look bad with it now.

[candyslim]

I'm sure they exist in boxing just like everywhere else but more so or less so, who can say? Many people are racist but I'd like to believe that most are not. That appilies to anyone white, black, brown or yellow.

[aicheligad]

Racism is almost nonexistent in current world.

What a crock.

Well, there are some examples of racism like the BLM supremacist organization but generally that's it and institutional racism is also very, very rare in today's world - which is good and I'm happy about that.

[Cyclops]

I'm a white guy and I think that some of Wilders theories such as displacing the glove are true. Can I claim to be "black on the inside" because of that?

The displaced glove theory is so idiotic it still irritates me to this day. As a kick boxer, I can remember hearing stories about fighters who wanted their glove down their wrist as possible to increase their reach and score points. It didn't increase their power, it just meant they could touch their opponent easier. I also remember Bas Ruten telling stories about how he used 'bone strikes' when he fought in Pancrase https://www.mixedmartialarts.com/street ... e-strikes/ which seems far more likely the way Fury used strikes in the Wilder fights than him hitting people with his finger knuckles inside the gloves and purposefully breaking his hands like brain damaged morons such as Wilder and Steve Cunningham suggest. Are strikes like that legal? Well, nobody disputes the first round knockdown from Roy Jones against Calzaghe even though it was with the forearm rather than the fist, do they? If people were talking about the more realistic ways that Fury 'bends the rules' like, he slaps with power, then I might have more time for them. To me, it's obvious what he's doing. Cunningham said something along the lines of, well if you know you're going to break your hand in a fight it doesn't matter because you're so full of adrenalin you won't feel it" which is unbelievably stupid. Didn't Hagler and Hearns go to absolute war to KO each other because Tommy broke his hand and Hagler got cut and neither could fight on much longer?

If Wilder fanboys were saying "Fury heeled Wilder" I'd say yeah, I think you're right. They're not. They're saying he loosened his glove so he could punch with the knuckles on his fingers and break his hands on purpose" and that's beyond stupid. Just hitting somebody with your knuckles in a glove is far more damaging.

The heeling thing I can totally go with, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I DO. So I can see he beat up Wilder with a combination of heels, closed hand punches and slaps. SLAPS. grow up and deal with it. The other theories are beyond stupid.

Eh. You are very passionate about this whole nonsense. I believe that Fury tried to pull his glove down to gain an advantage. The tapes certainly suggest it. Then there is the question did he really gain any huge advantage from that? Answer is: who cares? Another good question is did he need an advantage? Anwswer to that one is probably: no.

Stay blinded by passion. F do I care?

I'm passionate about the sport. This whole conspiracy was started by someone who knew nothing about boxing.

Have you ever put boxing gloves on and at least sparred?

[H8Usernames]

The displaced glove theory is so idiotic it still irritates me to this day. As a kick boxer, I can remember hearing stories about fighters who wanted their glove down their wrist as possible to increase their reach and score points. It didn't increase their power, it just meant they could touch their opponent easier. I also remember Bas Ruten telling stories about how he used 'bone strikes' when he fought in Pancrase https://www.mixedmartialarts.com/street ... e-strikes/ which seems far more likely the way Fury used strikes in the Wilder fights than him hitting people with his finger knuckles inside the gloves and purposefully breaking his hands like brain damaged morons such as Wilder and Steve Cunningham suggest. Are strikes like that legal? Well, nobody disputes the first round knockdown from Roy Jones against Calzaghe even though it was with the forearm rather than the fist, do they? If people were talking about the more realistic ways that Fury 'bends the rules' like, he slaps with power, then I might have more time for them. To me, it's obvious what he's doing. Cunningham said something along the lines of, well if you know you're going to break your hand in a fight it doesn't matter because you're so full of adrenalin you won't feel it" which is unbelievably stupid. Didn't Hagler and Hearns go to absolute war to KO each other because Tommy broke his hand and Hagler got cut and neither could fight on much longer?

If Wilder fanboys were saying "Fury heeled Wilder" I'd say yeah, I think you're right. They're not. They're saying he loosened his glove so he could punch with the knuckles on his fingers and break his hands on purpose" and that's beyond stupid. Just hitting somebody with your knuckles in a glove is far more damaging.

The heeling thing I can totally go with, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I DO. So I can see he beat up Wilder with a combination of heels, closed hand punches and slaps. SLAPS. grow up and deal with it. The other theories are beyond stupid.

Eh. You are very passionate about this whole nonsense. I believe that Fury tried to pull his glove down to gain an advantage. The tapes certainly suggest it. Then there is the question did he really gain any huge advantage from that? Answer is: who cares? Another good question is did he need an advantage? Anwswer to that one is probably: no.

Stay blinded by passion. F do I care?

I'm passionate about the sport. This whole conspiracy was started by someone who knew nothing about boxing.

Have you ever put boxing gloves on and at least sparred?

Probably a bit too much. I never experimented with inserting my hand the wrong way into the glove for sparring though. I did however try it on my heavybag and it looks to me like we are talking about something that theoretically could give a fighter an unfair advantage. Also the videos clearly demonstrated that pulling the gloves down was taking place and that the gloves weren't correctly placed on Fury's hands. Why someone can't accept that is something that I don't understand. I do think that Wilder is getting koed again even without Fury cheating so I really don't think that any of this matters or mattered so much but the truth is however the truth isn't it?

[margaret thatcher]

to make a glove flop you basically gotta pull it up though

[aicheligad]

There is only one reason why Wilder lost to Fury - because he's a worse boxer.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

There is only one reason why Wilder lost to Fury - because he's a worse boxer.

Yeah but did you see that heavy suit he wore to the ring?

[Enlightened-One]

The BBC website defines the term “racism” accordingly:

‪“Racism is when someone is discriminated against(singled out) because of their race, the colour of their skin, their nationality, their accent or first language, or their ethnic or national origin. Racism is a hate crime, and is illegal.”‬

An example of a forum poster that applies double-standards, depending on whether the fighter in question is British or not!

The Filthy Brits have absolutely nothing honest or brilliant to add in this forum...

Here we go. Another filthy Brit that wandered to the big table from the little table... God I hate Brits.... I dislike the Irish ten times more than the Brits.

I'm not a huge fan of British Boxers...

Just another British punk that can't pass up a minute on the microphone babbling like an absolute dickhead... The Brits wonder why none of their boxers become mainstream athletes over here. It's because they are a bunch of clowns.

Oh here they come...the British invasion again...I forgot how you guys rarely have a boxer that is worth a damn... They have a separate British Board (kids table) set up so you guys can talk nonsense over there, what are you guys doing over here at the big people's table?

See, a category for the "Brit's just talking Shi*t" is already gaining some steam by some of these dumb replies. Look at these British Goons taking time out of their day to discuss...

They should have a separate message board for annoying Brits. Call it "Just Another Brit, Talking Shi*t". Not sure what's in the water over there but these British Boxers are annoying tools.

Here's comes another Brit that wins a few fights and now he's Cassius Clay... he's the next love child for the British contingent. Quite an annoying band you Brits are.

Here we go. Another filthy Brit who calls a bunch of idiots running around in short shorts diving around on the ground holding their knee...

[Cyclops]

Eh. You are very passionate about this whole nonsense. I believe that Fury tried to pull his glove down to gain an advantage. The tapes certainly suggest it. Then there is the question did he really gain any huge advantage from that? Answer is: who cares? Another good question is did he need an advantage? Anwswer to that one is probably: no.

Stay blinded by passion. F do I care?

I'm passionate about the sport. This whole conspiracy was started by someone who knew nothing about boxing.

Have you ever put boxing gloves on and at least sparred?

Probably a bit too much. I never experimented with inserting my hand the wrong way into the glove for sparring though. I did however try it on my heavybag and it looks to me like we are talking about something that theoretically could give a fighter an unfair advantage. Also the videos clearly demonstrated that pulling the gloves down was taking place and that the gloves weren't correctly placed on Fury's hands. Why someone can't accept that is something that I don't understand. I do think that Wilder is getting koed again even without Fury cheating so I really don't think that any of this matters or mattered so much but the truth is however the truth isn't it?

I know you're trolling me but I think you should experiment with having it 'incorrectly placed' on your hand and try sparring with it. Then you'll break your fingers.

[caldo2025]

The BBC website defines the term “racism” accordingly:

‪“Racism is when someone is discriminated against(singled out) because of their race, the colour of their skin, their nationality, their accent or first language, or their ethnic or national origin. Racism is a hate crime, and is illegal.”‬

An example of a forum poster that applies double-standards, depending on whether the fighter in question is British or not!

The Filthy Brits have absolutely nothing honest or brilliant to add in this forum...

Here we go. Another filthy Brit that wandered to the big table from the little table... God I hate Brits.... I dislike the Irish ten times more than the Brits.

I'm not a huge fan of British Boxers...

Just another British punk that can't pass up a minute on the microphone babbling like an absolute dickhead... The Brits wonder why none of their boxers become mainstream athletes over here. It's because they are a bunch of clowns.

Oh here they come...the British invasion again...I forgot how you guys rarely have a boxer that is worth a damn... They have a separate British Board (kids table) set up so you guys can talk nonsense over there, what are you guys doing over here at the big people's table?

See, a category for the "Brit's just talking Shi*t" is already gaining some steam by some of these dumb replies. Look at these British Goons taking time out of their day to discuss...

They should have a separate message board for annoying Brits. Call it "Just Another Brit, Talking Shi*t". Not sure what's in the water over there but these British Boxers are annoying tools.

Here's comes another Brit that wins a few fights and now he's Cassius Clay... he's the next love child for the British contingent. Quite an annoying band you Brits are.

Here we go. Another filthy Brit who calls a bunch of idiots running around in short shorts diving around on the ground holding their knee...

Lolololol. That’s quite a trail kid. You REALLY need to find some work out there. You seem like an intelligent bloke at times. I mean, you can spell.

You obviously failed to include the Mea Culpa that I had made after those tirades. Quite honestly, I think that it was me who is responsible for the British resurgence in Boxing. Because soon after my posts, Brits hit the gym and started to make things happen. DAZN was created as a result soon after the boys hit the gym. They all agreed with me and I’m not sorry about it. Do I deserve ALL of the credit for DAZN’s success and Brits acquiring belts in that span? Absolutely and I’m glad that you brought it up.

Lastly, after multiple trips to Ireland since my comments, I am now a resident of Ireland for a portion of the year and love the Irish so much it’s silly. People can be wrong buddy. That’s something that you NEVER EVER could find a way to consider. It’s also the most likely reason that you struggle finding someone to love or some mates that you could call if you pop your Mom’s tire after borrowing it for a run to the store for chips. I don’t hate ya. I’m just trying to help ya. Humility is an attractive quality. Cutting and pasting your days through life is no way to fill your heart. Unplug for spells during the day and practice saying sorry.

Oh and btw, you Filthy Brits should be a little more appreciative to us Americans. If it weren’t for us, you’d be speaking German.

[Counter-puncher]

[Perkin Warbeck]

Racial double standards do exist.

Mayweather goes the distance with an opponent who has been stopped multiple times: Mayweather is a great fighter
Klitschko stops an opponent in a late round who has never been stopped before: Klitschko not exciting, carries his opponents

Collins beats Eubank twice, but no credit given, Eubank is old in his 20s
Eubank beats Benn, Eubank is a great fighter

Andre Ward does not have to leave his country during the Super Six
Kessler, Abraham and Froch need to fight outside their home countries

[Enlightened-One]

The BBC website defines the term “racism” accordingly:

‪“Racism is when someone is discriminated against(singled out) because of their race, the colour of their skin, their nationality, their accent or first language, or their ethnic or national origin. Racism is a hate crime, and is illegal.”‬

An example of a forum poster that applies double-standards, depending on whether the fighter in question is British or not!

The Filthy Brits have absolutely nothing honest or brilliant to add in this forum...

Here we go. Another filthy Brit that wandered to the big table from the little table... God I hate Brits.... I dislike the Irish ten times more than the Brits.

I'm not a huge fan of British Boxers...

Just another British punk that can't pass up a minute on the microphone babbling like an absolute dickhead... The Brits wonder why none of their boxers become mainstream athletes over here. It's because they are a bunch of clowns.

Oh here they come...the British invasion again...I forgot how you guys rarely have a boxer that is worth a damn... They have a separate British Board (kids table) set up so you guys can talk nonsense over there, what are you guys doing over here at the big people's table?

See, a category for the "Brit's just talking Shi*t" is already gaining some steam by some of these dumb replies. Look at these British Goons taking time out of their day to discuss...

They should have a separate message board for annoying Brits. Call it "Just Another Brit, Talking Shi*t". Not sure what's in the water over there but these British Boxers are annoying tools.

Here's comes another Brit that wins a few fights and now he's Cassius Clay... he's the next love child for the British contingent. Quite an annoying band you Brits are.

Here we go. Another filthy Brit who calls a bunch of idiots running around in short shorts diving around on the ground holding their knee...

Lolololol. That’s quite a trail kid. You REALLY need to find some work out there. You seem like an intelligent bloke at times. I mean, you can spell.

You obviously failed to include the Mea Culpa that I had made after those tirades. Quite honestly, I think that it was me who is responsible for the British resurgence in Boxing. Because soon after my posts, Brits hit the gym and started to make things happen. DAZN was created as a result soon after the boys hit the gym. They all agreed with me and I’m not sorry about it. Do I deserve ALL of the credit for DAZN’s success and Brits acquiring belts in that span? Absolutely and I’m glad that you brought it up.

Lastly, after multiple trips to Ireland since my comments, I am now a resident of Ireland for a portion of the year and love the Irish so much it’s silly. People can be wrong buddy. That’s something that you NEVER EVER could find a way to consider. It’s also the most likely reason that you struggle finding someone to love or some mates that you could call if you pop your Mom’s tire after borrowing it for a run to the store for chips. I don’t hate ya. I’m just trying to help ya. Humility is an attractive quality. Cutting and pasting your days through life is no way to fill your heart. Unplug for spells during the day and practice saying sorry.

Oh and btw, you Filthy Brits should be a little more appreciative to us Americans. If it weren’t for us, you’d be speaking German.

I just copied and pasted the same post you responded to during 2019.

You continued to use the same language since then.

No mea culpa, it didn’t happen. And even if it did, it was meaningless because you continued your behaviour regardless.

It’s good to see you desperately trying to disown comments you’ve been expressing for years.

You once accused me of being a racist, but you couldn’t quote a single sentence I wrote to justify your horrendous claim.

However, It’s very easy to quote your words.

You’re a prime example of someone that constantly applies bigoted double standards.

[H8Usernames]

I'm passionate about the sport. This whole conspiracy was started by someone who knew nothing about boxing.

Have you ever put boxing gloves on and at least sparred?

Probably a bit too much. I never experimented with inserting my hand the wrong way into the glove for sparring though. I did however try it on my heavybag and it looks to me like we are talking about something that theoretically could give a fighter an unfair advantage. Also the videos clearly demonstrated that pulling the gloves down was taking place and that the gloves weren't correctly placed on Fury's hands. Why someone can't accept that is something that I don't understand. I do think that Wilder is getting koed again even without Fury cheating so I really don't think that any of this matters or mattered so much but the truth is however the truth isn't it?

I know you're trolling me but I think you should experiment with having it 'incorrectly placed' on your hand and try sparring with it. Then you'll break your fingers.

You are the passionate troll man. What’s with you? It makes or breaks your life if Fury cheated? Maybe you should find other good things to do with your life. There is no reason why this would break my fingers. What drugs are you on? Did you watch those videos? If we are not wittnessing the glove being pulled down and the effects of that then what are we wittnessing in those videos?

[H8Usernames]

Racial double standards do exist.

Mayweather goes the distance with an opponent who has been stopped multiple times: Mayweather is a great fighter
Klitschko stops an opponent in a late round who has never been stopped before: Klitschko not exciting, carries his opponents

Collins beats Eubank twice, but no credit given, Eubank is old in his 20s
Eubank beats Benn, Eubank is a great fighter

Andre Ward does not have to leave his country during the Super Six
Kessler, Abraham and Froch need to fight outside their home countries

Cry me a river man.

[world ranked]

Racism is almost nonexistent in current world.

What a crock.

Well, there are some examples of racism like the BLM supremacist organization but generally that's it and institutional racism is also very, very rare in today's world - which is good and I'm happy about that.

Is BLM is the only supremacist organization? Or just only one so you can prove your point. How do we know that institutional racism is rare? How do you come to this conclusion with some type of facts?

[tigermoth87]

The only racism I see in boxing comes from black fighters and black fans. Bernard "I'll never lose to a white guy" Hopkins was the first to spring to mind.

[aicheligad]

What a crock.

Well, there are some examples of racism like the BLM supremacist organization but generally that's it and institutional racism is also very, very rare in today's world - which is good and I'm happy about that.

Is BLM is the only supremacist organization? Or just only one so you can prove your point. How do we know that institutional racism is rare? How do you come to this conclusion with some type of facts?

Not the only one I guess but it's the most obvious example because it's by far the biggest one and by far the most popular and most promoted one.

Institutional racism is rare, especially when compared to the previous eras. Of course, there are examples like racial quota on universities in some countries or even recent examples of racist states like Zimbabwe under Mugabe but yeah, racism is relatively uncommon these days, isn't it? Today, all races have the same rights in almost every place in the world.

[Stevieaber]

The world is riddled with double standards, racial or otherwise. Largely depends on individuals or what is deemed acceptable at the time - a good example is B Hops “I ain’t gonna be beaten by a white boy”, if the boot was on the other foot and Calzaghe said the same about a black man he would have (quite rightly) been torn a new arsehole. Cant see that changing any time soon. The added ingrediant with sport is the way that people often accept things that fit their perspective and don’t challenge lazy stereotypes

[Boxtune]

Yes .. prime example was Klitchko brother, as mike Tyson said they are great but they are not americans

[candyslim]

I'm not aware of that quote but the Klitschkos definitely presided over a period which saw the decline of boxing in the US from a major sport on the slide, but one that was regarded as having America at it's heart, to one that is just a relic of the past for most Americans and barely relevant these days.

It could be argued they accelerated a process that was already under way but would the decline have been so dramatic if a new Mike Tyson or even a Riddick Bowe managed to dethrone them? If they were instrumental in putting the last nails in the coffin of boxing as a major mainstream sport in the US, then to what extent was that due to them being perceived as stylistically boring, to what extent due to their dominance, to what extent that they were never going to fight each other, and to what extent the fact they were not American?

Genuine question because I don't profess to know how Americans think about such matters.