Duane Bobick vs Larry Holmes

[oogiebe]

Fun look back on amateur Bobick vs Holmes.

[Caractacus]

yeah, when Bobick went from being managed by Bill Daniels in Denver to Philadelphia to train IN 1974
Joe Frazier became Bobick's manager and influenced a change in his style style (IMOP)

[margaret thatcher]

ali on commentary.....who woulda thunk that the weak hugging kid would whoop him one day !

[bennie]

Bobick was a big guy. His physique was all heavyweight.

[evrenb]

I recently watched Bobick get starched by Lyle. Wow what a knockout. !!!

[DrDuke]

Oddly enough, Bobick's amateur performances somehow seem better than his professional performances. Maybe the change in style that Joe Frazier & Co. taught Duane were not for the better.

Amateurs and pros are just like two different combat sports. They work on completely different aspects in the amateurs, although it allows to polish fundamentals.

[margaret thatcher]

the amateurs never provide the same chin test the pros do either....different gloves and the headgear. for chinny fighters it can make a big difference (although i know bob got ko'd as an am too)

[margaret thatcher]

I recently watched Bobick get starched by Lyle. Wow what a knockout. !!!

where did you see that? can you post it

[DrDuke]

the amateurs never provide the same chin test the pros do either....different gloves and the headgear. for chinny fighters it can make a big difference (although i know bob got ko'd as an am too)

Furthermore, they obviously don't have the stamina of pros, they don't use the "dirty" tricks of pros, they don't try to wear an opponent down or hurt him. Amateurs often are like a tapping game to score points.

[evrenb]

I recently watched Bobick get starched by Lyle. Wow what a knockout. !!!

where did you see that? can you post it

[margaret thatcher]

thx...brutal ko

[Ambling Alp II]

Fun look back on amateur Bobick vs Holmes.

Thanks for posting this.
Holmes showed even then he had some talent. He moved around the ring very well and had good hand speed. He looked so skinny compared to Bobick. Bobick showed some power and that he was not slow. Not sure what the deal was with the referee. He acted like every clinch was Holmes' fault.

[margaret thatcher]

larry was holding on like he wanted a date in the 2nd round, let's be honest, larry initiated pretty much every one of those and is the one holding on (why would bobick hold when he was beating on him?). larry was flailing around like a limp noodle in there and holding constantly by the end. no big issues with the ref for me.....that was a totally standard amateur boxing dq

ya lar showed plenty of movement, speed, and that jab, just looked weak as hell, like man vs boy

[oogiebe]

larry was holding on like he wanted a date in the 2nd round, let's be honest, larry initiated pretty much every one of those and is the one holding on (why would bobick hold when he was beating on him?). larry was flailing around like a limp noodle in there and holding constantly by the end. no big issues with the ref for me.....that was a totally standard amateur boxing dq

ya lar showed plenty of movement, speed, and that jab, just looked weak as hell, like man vs boy

Larry wasn't Larry yet. Not sure if anyone saw his future potential at this time. This was more about Bobick's success at ams and less about Larry.

[bennie]

Am I right in thinking that Bobick and Holmes met twice in the unpaid ranks?

[Caractacus]

Duane Bobick should write his autobiography.
I wonder if he was a sparring partner to Ron Lyle when they were both being managed by Bill Daniels of Denver ?
Ron Lyle was the promoted fighter,
I think the only time Bobick fought on a Ron Lyle card was when Lyle fought Jimmy Ellis in 1973.
Bobick fought Donny Nelson who was or would become a sparring partner to Lyle.

[HomicideHenry]

Duane Bobick should write his autobiography.
I wonder if he was a sparring partner to Ron Lyle when they were both being managed by Bill Daniels of Denver ?
Ron Lyle was the promoted fighter,
I think the only time Bobick fought on a Ron Lyle card was when Lyle fought Jimmy Ellis in 1973.
Bobick fought Donny Nelson who was or would become a sparring partner to Lyle.

Unfortunately the man can't do much anymore. A couple of years ago when I still did radio interviews I called his house and his wife informed me that she has to put him in basically a daycare center during the day when she's working because he suffers from pugilistic dementia.

[sweetsci]

Duane Bobick should write his autobiography.
I wonder if he was a sparring partner to Ron Lyle when they were both being managed by Bill Daniels of Denver ?
Ron Lyle was the promoted fighter,
I think the only time Bobick fought on a Ron Lyle card was when Lyle fought Jimmy Ellis in 1973.
Bobick fought Donny Nelson who was or would become a sparring partner to Lyle.

Unfortunately the man can't do much anymore. A couple of years ago when I still did radio interviews I called his house and his wife informed me that she has to put him in basically a daycare center during the day when she's working because he suffers from pugilistic dementia.

That's so sad. Here's a guy who was never in any really tough, extended beat-down fights. If he lost, he lost early. Though he was likely concussed in those losses. And I guess even wins against "nobodys" can take their toll, along with sparring & gym work. But I thought we played it smart by getting out after the fourth loss, realizing that whenever he stepped up he was out of his league, and looking at other options in life rather than become a name opponent to be pounded on.

[HomicideHenry]

Duane Bobick should write his autobiography.
I wonder if he was a sparring partner to Ron Lyle when they were both being managed by Bill Daniels of Denver ?
Ron Lyle was the promoted fighter,
I think the only time Bobick fought on a Ron Lyle card was when Lyle fought Jimmy Ellis in 1973.
Bobick fought Donny Nelson who was or would become a sparring partner to Lyle.

Unfortunately the man can't do much anymore. A couple of years ago when I still did radio interviews I called his house and his wife informed me that she has to put him in basically a daycare center during the day when she's working because he suffers from pugilistic dementia.

That's so sad. Here's a guy who was never in any really tough, extended beat-down fights. If he lost, he lost early. Though he was likely concussed in those losses. And I guess even wins against "nobodys" can take their toll, along with sparring & gym work. But I thought we played it smart by getting out after the fourth loss, realizing that whenever he stepped up he was out of his league, and looking at other options in life rather than become a name opponent to be pounded on.

Bobick, if you remember, also had battles with alcohol and drugs which probably enhanced the issues with his brain.

I will say it is quite strange how somebody can have very little damage in their career, like Floyd Patterson, and end up with Alzheimer's disease. But a guy like Randall Cobb can be hit all night long like a drum, and have tremendous cocaine issues, but still has a shark tack mind in his old age.

Everybody is different.

[sweetsci]

I didn't remember that Bobick had a drug and alcohol problem. I knew about Cobb, but not Duane.