Gervonta Davis vs. Mario Barrios - June 26, 2021

[Ruthless-RKO]

[gilgamesh]

Broner wasn't an ATG or a Hall of Fame level talent at any weight class he ever competed at.

Agreed, but Broner's resume for the first 5½ years of his career (before his 24th birthday) was truly impressive, his critics only seem to recall what's transpired since 2015, when his in-ring talents were declining.

Adrien Broner was once classed amongst the top-six of The RING's pound-for-pound ratings, he's engaged in ten world championship bouts, faced ten world champions and also captured world titles in four weight divisions.

Even if you severely dislike the guy, and I’m not his biggest fan either, it’s impossible to deny that he was once considered one of the best fighters on the planet.

Like him or loath him, there’s not a lot of fighters competing today with Broner’s resume.

I know he was rated Top 6 in the Ring's P4P ratings. I also remember that was considered quite generous.

[Onetimeonly]

Isn't his best win a tight one with malignaggi?

[margaret thatcher]

ring rated just like king kami was for ggg

[skanksta]

tank beats everyone at 135, at most teo might beat him, not too small at all

teo at 23 beat loma, tank's going on 27 and with his talent should fight an elite name next

Do you give Loma any sorta bye/credit/asterisk for the “shoulder injury” ?

[skanksta]

He didn't fight anybody that was a threat at any of these weight classes. Teofimo Lopez and Lomachenko would beat him at Lightweight I think. Haney might too. At Super Featherweight he never took on Berchelt, Valdez or anybody else. At 140 maybe he'll actually prove he's worthy of the hype.

I wouldn't even match him with Spence, Bud and guys like that until he actually beats a top guy at these lower weight classes he's competing at. So far he's not even fought one.

And he's 27 years old

I dunno - you said he was like Broner and I agreed ?!
A KO phenom at 130, but diminished a bit by every division he moves up to 147.
Like Floyd himself !

Broner wasn't an ATG or a Hall of Fame level talent at any weight class he ever competed at.

He went about 15(13)-0 around 3009-2013 and picked up two belts @ 130-135. Not murderer’s row or anything but after about Gavin Rees he was a p4per, getting to the HOF if he stayed @LW.
He couldn’t, he didn’t obvs.

[margaret thatcher]

tank beats everyone at 135, at most teo might beat him, not too small at all

teo at 23 beat loma, tank's going on 27 and with his talent should fight an elite name next

Do you give Loma any sorta bye/credit/asterisk for the “shoulder injury” ?

i think his injuries are legit, but they have been such an ongoing thing that i think it's just part of who he is as a fighter, something to be expected, and that he will struggle with some type of physical issue more as he ages

[Onetimeonly]

Ped injuries

[Counter-puncher]

EO is on top form on this thread

[Counter-puncher]

That was a big win for Gervonta Davis!

He showed grit, power, patience, and persistence. And emerged victorious in a fight where things weren’t always going his way.

And I suspect the fact that Gervonta Davis had to work for his victory over unheralded name will be used as ammunition by his critics to justify accusations of Tank being a hype job.

They’ll inevitably ignore the fact that he defeated a very decent opponent that was much physically larger than himself.

Meanwhile, other fighters (that choose to engage in a continuous stream of mismatches against journeymen or shot to pieces names), will inevitably be celebrated and automatically bestowed an honorary rite of passage to "greatness" without anyone requiring the need for verification.

That said, I appreciate that Tank’s been carefully matched, with him facing progressively more challenging (though clearly not elite level) opposition, which is good (and logical considering his age), but this trend has to continue, and I’d like him to make 130lbs his natural habitat, because he is quite small.

I think he’s ready to face the very best at junior lightweight, but I don’t think he’s big enough to compete against the elite level 135lb-ers.

waaaa, they so unfair to tank man, makes me shed a tear, ppl are just so mean to pbc boxers and canelo

[Counter-puncher]

'i think he's ready for the best 130lbers now... but not at 135' poor lil Tank, he's only 26 or 27, like Canelo when he DEFINITELY WAS A SMALL MIDDLEWEIGHT so it was totally understandable waiting for GGG to grow ancient, so yeah poor lil Tank maybe in a couple of years he may just about be ready for 135 (but if he loses it will mean he wasn't)

[nielm]

like Gervonta Davis!

[Enlightened-One]

'i think he's ready for the best 130lbers now... but not at 135' poor lil Tank, he's only 26 or 27, like Canelo when he DEFINITELY WAS A SMALL MIDDLEWEIGHT so it was totally understandable waiting for GGG to grow ancient...

Prior to the first GGG bout, Canelo had engaged in 51 bouts over a twelve -year timeframe and had only engaged in one fight officially weighing more than 155lbs. The Mexican is probably around the 5’8” mark.

At that moment in time, we knew for certain that the 5’10½” GGG had been competing at 165lbs as an amateur and 160lbs as a pro for more than fifteen years, which means he’s not a “small” middleweight.

Team GGG have persistently boasted about Golovkin’s ability to compete against and also beat the very best fighter's in their natural habitat, ranging from 154lbs to 175lbs. And Tom Loeffler previously stated that GGG wanted to fight Bernard Hopkins at 175lbs.

Canelo had only just turned 27 years of age for the first GGG fight. The Mexican will be 31 years old next month.

It’s understandable that he’s a bigger man today than he was almost four years ago.

Your laughing emojis are an ineffective means for refuting cold hard facts but if you're brave enough to use words, then please step up to the plate and give it a try!

[Counter-puncher]

yes you can see by his subsequent career what a tiny middleweight Canelo must have been, the poor lil mite.

[Enlightened-One]

yes you can see by his subsequent career what a tiny middleweight Canelo must have been, the poor lil mite.

No one said that Canelo was a "tiny" middleweight. That's you lying.

And Canelo is considerably shorter than all his opponents. He's not a big man.

He's had to artificially gain muscle through the use of weightlifting.

Anyone can weigh whatever they damn well like, as long as they eat enough to point it results in a calorie surplus.

Canelo has an unusually stocky physique for a boxer. He had to make a decision to gain weight.

[maverick23]

Has there been any word yet on the number of PPV buys for this?

[maverick23]

Has there been any word yet on the number of PPV buys for this?

So there are reports is did c.210k buys. It’s crazy that 210k buys is deemed to be a success nowadays. It’s a similar number to the LSC fight.

[adislav123]

how much dough is 200k buys?

[Ruthless-RKO]

how much dough is 200k buys?

About $15m revenue.

$7.5m after cable providers take their cut.

I did read a report that Davis would be making a max $5m and Barrios a max $1m.

Event was a success then?

[margaret thatcher]

fighters aren't the only ones to get paid, obviously all the ppl putting on the event want to make dat dough too.....if they are barely making money of it, will they be happy with it

[Ruthless-RKO]

fighters aren't the only ones to get paid, obviously all the ppl putting on the event want to make dat dough too.....if they are barely making money of it, will they be happy with it

Managers and promoters get paid from boxers purses though right?

Then you have live gate too.

Which people are you referring to when you say ‘ppl putting on the event’ ?

[margaret thatcher]

thought promoters are the ones who pay the purse......and then get their earnings through event profits after everyone has been paid?

who pays for setting up the event, venue, advertising, event staff....etc

[Ruthless-RKO]

thought promoters are the ones who pay the purse......and then get their earnings through event profits after everyone has been paid?

who pays for setting up the event, venue, advertising, event staff....etc

In this case, I’m sure Showtime and PBC do their bit.

The production is all Showtime isn’t it?

Then event staff, is probably the arena’s own, probably have contractors that work on event by event basis.

Who knows tbh.

Unless someone on here has actually been involved in a boxing or similar sporting event.

[maverick23]

thought promoters are the ones who pay the purse......and then get their earnings through event profits after everyone has been paid?

who pays for setting up the event, venue, advertising, event staff....etc

You’re right. The managers and trainers will likely get a % of the purse but it’s the promoters who’ll be covering the costs of marketing.
Obviously the network (Showtime) will spend a chunk and dedicate airtime for marketing to warrant their cut but there will need to be a good chunk of cash spent on other forms of marketing.

I know that in the U.K. the £20 we pay for a Sky PPV includes VAT. How does it work in the US? Does the $70 include taxes or are taxes in addition to that?

[Evander]

What I saw of it was a huge Barrios, he was massive compared to Davis physically.
Takeaways ...
Davis defence was mediocre.
I think he lacked power and seemed to be reaching and short with his shots too much for my liking.