Tyson Fury vs. Deontay Wilder III - October 9, 2021

[The Asleep Lamps]

Right it can't be that those two were stuck in diva mode. Which is why it took for Tyson Fury to eventually beat Wilder (b/c Joshua wasn't going to do it), just like it took for Marquez to beat Pacquiao while Mayweather sulked about why he couldn't be bothered to do it.

[Boxerbeetle]

Right it can't be that those two were stuck in diva mode. Which is why it took for Tyson Fury to eventually beat Wilder (b/c Joshua wasn't going to do it), just like it took for Marquez to beat Pacquiao while Mayweather sulked about why he couldn't be bothered to do it.

Wilder refused to fight AJ, he accidentally admitted it after pretending for ages that he hadn’t received an offer.

[The Asleep Lamps]

OK well we can't go back and are in a different situation now. I just remember thinking at the time that if Eddie Hearn wanted my money then he shouldn't insult the American.

[Bandog]

I think what Bandogs trying to say is that now Wilder is with Malik Scott, Wilders able to unlock that inner master boxer, something which Breland didn’t allow. Breland only wanted Wilder to concentrate on power and kept his power level at maximum, But now that Malik Scott has given Wilder permission to use his master boxing skills, well, look out Fury. As bandog said, it’s going to very difficult for Wilder to miss Fury’s liver. But, the thing is, if Wilder has switched to Master boxer his power probably takes a back seat so he’ll probably need to accumulate on Fury’s liver to do any real damage. Depending how much Malik has adjusted Wilders levels to master boxing from power puncher, wilder could bringing usyk level power or below going into this match up. Anyway, that’s the way bandog sees it I believe. Great poster.

I'm not sure whether you are being ironic or not. Usually it jumps out at me and my inability to be certain is concerning to me. I believe so but there is a strong element of doubt: Maybe you do believe Wilder can go from one-trick pony to master boxer in few months at the age of 36.

Breland was a much superior boxer to Scott but that doesn't mean he is necessarily a better trainer, and now that Wilder has suffered humiliation in the ring it's possible he is now more willing to listen to what he's being told.

I'm still sceptical that Wilder might be receptive to the idea he can learn from a man who failed to see out the first round when they fought. That suggests a previously unsuspected level of wisdom and humility.

I never said those things, Bandog did.

I've never said that Wilder is even a skilled boxer. I simply suggested he attack the body more.

[candyslim]

Right it can't be that those two were stuck in diva mode. Which is why it took for Tyson Fury to eventually beat Wilder (b/c Joshua wasn't going to do it), just like it took for Marquez to beat Pacquiao while Mayweather sulked about why he couldn't be bothered to do it.

Wilder refused to fight AJ, he accidentally admitted it after pretending for ages that he hadn’t received an offer.

Damn right. Joshua isn't holding 75 or 80% of the available belts by accident, he has made it his career goal to collect all of them. Strange that four belts came so quickly yet the last one has been eluding him for years. The reason Wilder fought Fury instead of Joshua, is that Finkel, or Finkel/ Haymon, thought Fury was a fat turd ready for smoking, and that Joshua was a threat worth avoiding at any price (Why else would you turn down US$ 120 million?). No wonder Fury found getting Wilder to sign a contract so simple. Wilder wasn't running from him.

Of course Fury was delighted to push the narrative that it was Joshua who was ducking, and that he, Fury was the hero rushing to uphold Britannia's honour. He hates Joshua who is adored by the UK public and who can sell out wembley. Do you believe everything Fury says, Lamps? Say ... you don't want to buy my treasure map do you, it gives directions to Blackbeard's gold worth many millions and it's yours for only 1000 bucks?

[candyslim]

I'm not sure whether you are being ironic or not. Usually it jumps out at me and my inability to be certain is concerning to me. I believe so but there is a strong element of doubt: Maybe you do believe Wilder can go from one-trick pony to master boxer in few months at the age of 36.

Breland was a much superior boxer to Scott but that doesn't mean he is necessarily a better trainer, and now that Wilder has suffered humiliation in the ring it's possible he is now more willing to listen to what he's being told.

I'm still sceptical that Wilder might be receptive to the idea he can learn from a man who failed to see out the first round when they fought. That suggests a previously unsuspected level of wisdom and humility.

I never said those things, Bandog did.

I've never said that Wilder is even a skilled boxer. I simply suggested he attack the body more.

Sound advice in my opinion. He needs to change it up, that's for certain.

[The Asleep Lamps]

Eddie Hearn wanted to stage Wilder vs Whyte. That is a boxer and promoter disinterested in the belt held by Wilder. This was Joshua's biggest rival and he always faced someone else. I don't dislike Joshua. I just want him to act like a champion.

[candyslim]

It was a mouthwatering prospect that would have been the hors douvre to the main feast. Most Americans still have no clue who Deontay is (proved by TFury on the streets of Vegas or was it NYC?) Anyway, if he's relatively unknown in his own country how are Brits supposed to know him?

They know who Dillian Whyte is though, or at least those with even a passing interest in sport do. Hearn was saying "Come to England. Beat one of her favourite sons. Get your name known and generate massive interest in a showdown with Joshua setting up a huge unification match at Wembley, and in the process you will earn as much for fighting Whyte as you have earned in your whole career so far".

I will never describe any boxer as a coward. It's a ridiculous description for anyone who fights for a living. It is undeniable though that some fighters would take on Godzilla, and others are extremely risk-averse. All I'm saying is that a man who truly believed he was the 'baddest man on the planet' would not have walked away from a deal like that. If Dillian Whyte is sh1t as Wilder so often claims (from a safe distance) then why not knock him over and earn three or four times more for doing so than you have ever earned before?.

Asleep Lamps ... you need to wake up.

[KiwiRider]

It was a mouthwatering prospect that would have been the hors douvre to the main feast. Most Americans still have no clue who Deontay is (proved by TFury on the streets of Vegas or was it NYC?) Anyway, if he's relatively unknown in his own country how are Brits supposed to know him?

They know who Dillian Whyte is though, or at least those with even a passing interest in sport do. Hearn was saying "Come to England. Beat one of her favourite sons. Get your name known and generate massive interest in a showdown with Joshua setting up a huge unification match at Wembley, and in the process you will earn as much for fighting Whyte as you have earned in your whole career so far".

I will never describe any boxer as a coward. It's a ridiculous description for anyone who fights for a living. It is undeniable though that some fighters would take on Godzilla, and others are extremely risk-averse. All I'm saying is that a man who truly believed he was the 'baddest man on the planet' would not have walked away from a deal like that. If Dillian Whyte is sh1t as Wilder so often claims (from a safe distance) then why not knock him over and earn three or four times more for doing so than you have ever earned before?.

Asleep Lamps ... you need to wake up.

Whoah Slim, your on a roll.
Save some of this sage stuff for your personal life.
Eddie's plan to boost Wilders profile in the UK by fighting Whyte was perfect. And that was by sacrificing his second best HW to do it, while offering way more money to Wilder than he had ever seen- just to make AJ vs Wilder as big as it could be. Sky would have promoted the snot out of it.
I played in my mind devil's advocate of Wilder losing to Whyte, just for the look on Eddie's face

[candyslim]

I did forget to mention that if the fight didn't quite go according to most people's predictions and Whyte did a number on him that would have meant of course an all British unification with Hearn having control of both fighters.

Now Eddie might be cocky Essex-boy with an eye to the main chance but nobody ever said he was stupid ... unless of course they were.

[Onetimeonly]

Eddie wanted options on wilder.

[candyslim]

We don't know that do we? I'm sure a smart man like Finkel could have persuaded him it was still a great idea with or without options.

[Onetimeonly]

We don't know that the huge purse you go on about was real either, do we? One thing we agree on is whyte deserved a shot for a long time.

[candyslim]

Admittedly I never saw a contract but did you ever hear any fighter complain he didn't make good money fighting Joshua or Whyte?

[Onetimeonly]

No, but just because hearn says so doesn't make it gospel. Common sense leads to that being bullshit.

[KiwiRider]

No, but just because hearn says so doesn't make it gospel. Common sense leads to that being bullshit.

Might need EO to weigh in here, but didn't Wilder also let slip the amount?

[H8Usernames]

Your admiration for Anthony Joshua is very unusual and hard to understand. "He collected the 4 belts in such a short time", yay from whom? If Deontay had fought and lost to Joshua then he wouldn't be the slightest bit interested in fighting Fury. There is absolutely nothing special about this fellow except in your empty head maybe.

[Onetimeonly]

No, but just because hearn says so doesn't make it gospel. Common sense leads to that being bullshit.

Might need EO to weigh in here, but didn't Wilder also let slip the amount?

Not that I have seen.

[KiwiRider]

No, but just because hearn says so doesn't make it gospel. Common sense leads to that being bullshit.

Might need EO to weigh in here, but didn't Wilder also let slip the amount?

Not that I have seen.

I don't know the exact amount but has to be more than 4mil.
http://fightnewsasia.com/whyte-im-offer ... igh-purse/

[candyslim]

@ OTO:

Of course it doesn't. Hearn is a promoter and like politicians promoters tell porkies. I have never heard anyone say that a reported offer from Hearn was not real. Ortiz complained of being low-balled and Hearn threatened to publish the correspondence proving that the offer to Ortiz was 7 milliion dollars or was it 8?

That doesn't prove that what Hearn offered Wilder to fight Dillian Whyte was as reported, but unless I know of an example where he came up short, i see no reason to question. You get to know the kind of figures that Eddie offers they tend to be pretty consistent.

Whyte accused him of making him a low-ball offer to fight Joshua on the date Hearn had booked for Joshua v Wilder. If Eddie made any protest it was pretty half-hearted. I think he basically said "that's the offer. Take it or don't". It's my belief it was a low-ball offer because if Joshua wasn't going to fight Wilder then Hearn planned to showxase AJ in the US as it later proved.

[Onetimeonly]

Might need EO to weigh in here, but didn't Wilder also let slip the amount?

Not that I have seen.

I don't know the exact amount but has to be more than 4mil.
http://fightnewsasia.com/whyte-im-offer ... igh-purse/

The blog calls it a small money fight

[candyslim]

Your admiration for Anthony Joshua is very unusual and hard to understand. "He collected the 4 belts in such a short time", yay from whom? If Deontay had fought and lost to Joshua then he wouldn't be the slightest bit interested in fighting Fury. There is absolutely nothing special about this fellow except in your empty head maybe.

From Charles Martin who Wilder declined a unification with before Joshua fought him. Wilder made the excuse he had a mandatory lol. Wladimir Klitschko. You may have heard of him.. Joseph Parker. Another Wilder could have fought but wasn't interested. Ok so Parker isn't the most formidable fighter to ever hold a version of the World HeavyweightTitle but Joshua can't choose who holds the belts.

As for not being the slightest bit interested in fighting Fury how TF would you know? Joshua has consistency fought the top contenders, I won't do it tonight but I'll post our forum top 15 and we'll see who has faced more of them out of Joshua, Fury and Wilder. No prizes I'm afraid.

My admiration for Anthony Joshua is not remotely unusual. It is even shared by many of your compatriots. It may difficult for you to understand. The reasons for that are fairly evident.

[Evander]

Sometimes I don't even want to know the details, another big letdown along with Teo's fight being put off.
This stuff isn't looking good.
Are they a bunch of jokers ?
People won't take them seriously if they keep this up.

[Thomastearns]

Your admiration for Anthony Joshua is very unusual and hard to understand. "He collected the 4 belts in such a short time", yay from whom? If Deontay had fought and lost to Joshua then he wouldn't be the slightest bit interested in fighting Fury. There is absolutely nothing special about this fellow except in your empty head maybe.

A little harsh on AJ don't you think?

I mean he's is an Olympic champion and he has fought Whyte, Pulev, Parker, Takam and Klitschko hasn't he? [Would Wilder have beaten any of them?]

For sure he sometimes gets buzzed and had to survive a near disaster against Klitschko and then there was that Ruiz fight...

But he came back well to outbox Ruiz didn't he?

I still like Wilder, despite his self destructive behaviour these past few years, but rewatching his last fight does not give me any more hope for a different outcome.

In fact it's really odd watching some tall skinny legged bloke getting pushed around and put on the back foot by some giant ungainly oaf who might have been a comedy fighter in bygone days.

SRR, Ali and Leonard have nothing to worry about from Fury when it comes to style.

A Roman Gonzalez he is not.

[Bandog]

Any truth to the rumor Tyson Fury attended the UFC fight after testing positive for covid? I hope its not true. I saw a video he did at the UFC facility on July 5th, but don't know what date he tested positive.