No rumor for fight from Filip Hrgovic ?

[candyslim]

I didn't say Hughie landed a lot of punches, just more than Parker did. Most of them had no weight behind them and I fully agreed with the decision. Parker was the only one trying, however ineffectually, to force the fight and it would have left a bad taste if they had awarded to the decision to the man who landed the most (powder-puff) punches.

I'm not really sure what I said that you thought was inaccurate

[margaret thatcher]

i was just commenting and giving my thoughts on the fight and the fighter you were giving your own thoughts on, does that make you think t hat youve been harshly criticized or something, it wasnt an exercise in pointing out inaccuracies

hughie vs parker was such a sh!t fight i have to say.. i just cant stand watching guys like hughie. there really isnt anyone you could match him with that i'd look forward to

[candyslim]

No not at all. I wouldn't come on this forum if I was concerned about criticism. I'm regularly insulted by experts. I just thought we were basically saying the same thing when you appeared to be making a point. No worries.

[margaret thatcher]

if there is a main point to make, it's that i cant stand hughie fury, he is the boxing equivalent of smelly turd that makes the whole room stink

[margaret thatcher]

that said.......after just calling him a stinky turd who i can never get excited for, i must say that he could give lumbering slow hrgovic quite the test

[candyslim]

You don't like him do you I can tell?

[candyslim]

that said.......after just calling him a stinky turd who i can never get excited for, i must say that he could give lumbering slow hrgovic quite the test

I seem to be in something of a minority on here in my high estimation of Filip Hrgovic.

On the other hand there appear to be a number of like-minded people who are highly ranked at heavyweight by the IBF

[margaret thatcher]

that said.......after just calling him a stinky turd who i can never get excited for, i must say that he could give lumbering slow hrgovic quite the test

I seem to be in something of a minority on here in my high estimation of Filip Hrgovic.

On the other hand there appear to be a number of like-minded people who are highly ranked at heavyweight by the IBF

he is obviously a big powerful guy, he can prob walk through most fringe contender types just doing what he has so far. buut i see some leaky defense, and he's rather sloppy and sluggish. maybe it's the lack of challenge....he needs a bigger fight to prove himself more

[candyslim]

Yes and the clock is running.

[Enlightened-One]

Eddie Hearn just told Boxing Social that he couldn’t make any fights for the IBF final eliminator, so he’ll engage in another stay-busy mismatch towards the end of August or early September.

And then they try to make another attempt to stage the IBF final eliminator towards the end of the year.

[margaret thatcher]

well then i guess he'll fight someone like jerry forrest next

[gregregegg]

Surely if no one takes it you just become ibf mandatory. He shouldn’t have to do it again.

[candyslim]

Well that's what I said. It's not a Luis Ortiz type situation, I mean it's not wishful thinking or a figment of his imagination, contenders genuinely do not want to fight Filip Hrgovic, and definitely not for the money on offer.

Make the man mandatory if nobody wants to argue his status in the ring.

[Enlightened-One]

Surely if no one takes it you just become ibf mandatory. He shouldn’t have to do it again.

Charles Martin and Oleksandr Usyk are rated above Hrgovic.

And Hrgovic has faced hideously dire opposition.

The IBF final eliminators at heavyweight are notoriously difficult to make (i.e. several fighters rejected the Pulev bout), partly because of their purse split/bid rules and partly because AJ has recently performed a mandatory defence of his IBF title.

Hrgovic is also a commercially unpopular fighter.

So to fight him to gain IBF mandatory challenger status seems pointless at the moment (i.e. small purse and also very little likelihood of a title shot before the end of 2022).

[Wales]

Not sure where the hard on for Hrgovic comes from. He’s ok.
Wouldnt bet my bum hole on him beating Chisora, let alone Whyte ….

[morm]

Wasted year for Hrgovic.... Hope the opponent is some from the top 50
Franklin is my wish

[candyslim]

People talk about how Joyce was unlucky to get stiffed in the Olympic final against Yoka. They may have a point but it wasn't a robbery. Nobody mentions the semi-final where Yoka got the decision over Hrgovic. Now that really was a robbery.

I think there is a case for arguing that Hrgovic might have won gold had the judges not denied him a place in the final. Joe might have something to say about that of course.

There are no guarantees that a top amateur is going to become a top pro but I believe Hrgovic has all the right equipment. Granted he's faced unspectacular opposition but you see the problem he has: If nobody wants to face him when there's an IBF mandatory on offer, how much harder is it to get quality opposition when his management can't even throw big money at them?

The way I see it everybody in the the IBF top 10 or 15 have been offered a chance to face Hrgovic for the opportunity to become mandatory to their belt, maybe all the belts, even if it isn't going to pay a lot of money right now.

If they would all prefer to hold out for less risky fights for more money instead of the mandatory opportunity, then that is their prerogative but Hrgovic hasn't ducked the opportunity so in my view he should become IBF mandatory by default.

[gregregegg]

Surely if no one takes it you just become ibf mandatory. He shouldn’t have to do it again.

Charles Martin and Oleksandr Usyk are rated above Hrgovic.

And Hrgovic has faced hideously dire opposition.

The IBF final eliminators at heavyweight are notoriously difficult to make (i.e. several fighters rejected the Pulev bout), partly because of their purse split/bid rules and partly because AJ has recently performed a mandatory defence of his IBF title.

Hrgovic is also a commercially unpopular fighter.

So to fight him to gain IBF mandatory challenger status seems pointless at the moment (i.e. small purse and also very little likelihood of a title shot before the end of 2022).

All true, but non of it goes against my statement. You you get told to do an elliminator and the entire top 15 say no then I think you should just be mando. Dosent matter if you deserve to be 1st or 100th in the world, if everyone refuses you should be the guy.

(Why isn’t Martin the one challenging everyone to eliminators of he is ranked above hrgovic, that aspect seems weird., mabey because Martin refused to fight hrg as top two available so then he got ditched and hrg became elliminator boy)

[peter barlow]

Why not fight Hughie Fury, both with Hearn both can't get opponents, why not just make that fight. Sometimes you need to take risks.

[pound per pound]

Hrgovic is being avoided,,He's the future champ.

[pound per pound]

Hrgovic is being avoided,,He's the future champ.

[Enlightened-One]

Why not fight Hughie Fury, both with Hearn both can't get opponents, why not just make that fight. Sometimes you need to take risks.

Peter Fury told Sky Sports that Matchroom/Sauerland’s were considering Demsey McKean and Martin Bakole for the IBF final eliminator against Hrgovic.

Even though Hughie Fury and Filip Hrgovic are fellow stablemates, Matchroom/Sauerland’s haven’t tried to make that fight.

[Enlightened-One]

All true, but non of it goes against my statement. You you get told to do an elliminator and the entire top 15 say no then I think you should just be mando. Dosent matter if you deserve to be 1st or 100th in the world, if everyone refuses you should be the guy.

It depends on whether you feel you're being low-balled or not.

Fighters won't take pay cuts to face Hrgovic.

It's like me demanding that the IBF elevate me to becoming their world champion, based on an accusation of GGG of ducking me, because he refuses to accept a $100K purse. It's just silly!

Personally speaking, I feel that fighters should EARN their opportunities to engage in meaningful bouts, rather than them being gifted to them.

And let's be honest, Filip Hrgovic has faced no one. He constantly engages in mismatches. Even his own promoters won't invest in him by funding fights against moderately decent opposition.

They keep submitting lowball offers and then subsequently proclaiming “duck” whenever they’re rejected.

This time-wasting marketing gimmick tactic doesn’t fool anyone! Filip Hrgovic isn't the heavyweight divisions' new “bogeyman” – instead he's being mis-managed and badly promoted!

[gregregegg]

All true, but non of it goes against my statement. You you get told to do an elliminator and the entire top 15 say no then I think you should just be mando. Dosent matter if you deserve to be 1st or 100th in the world, if everyone refuses you should be the guy.

It depends on whether you feel you're being low-balled or not.

Fighters won't take pay cuts to face Hrgovic.

It's like me demanding that the IBF elevate me to becoming their world champion, based on an accusation of GGG of ducking me, because he refuses to accept a $100K purse. It's just silly!

Personally speaking, I feel that fighters should EARN their opportunities to engage in meaningful bouts, rather than them being gifted to them.

And let's be honest, Filip Hrgovic has faced no one. He constantly engages in mismatches. Even his own promoters won't invest in him by funding fights against moderately decent opposition.

They keep submitting lowball offers and then subsequently proclaiming “duck” whenever they’re rejected.

This time-wasting marketing gimmick tactic doesn’t fool anyone! Filip Hrgovic isn't the heavyweight divisions' new “bogeyman” – instead he's being mis-managed and badly promoted!

The low offer then cry duck technique sucks. But it’s hard to blaim that here seeing as anyone of the 15 could of chosen to take this to purse bids. Let the market decide. Get their promoter to bid what it’s worth…

Cant cry lowball when it’s purse bids, it can still not be worth to the opponent, that’s not being argued, but it’s because the fight isn’t that valueable. I think hrg should be mando now even though I don’t think he deserved to be high on the rankings to start with.

I’d like to see hugie fury take it though.

Weather the duck is justified depends on the pay but that dosent change that no one wanted it and ok an elliminator that should mean hrg is the mando. It’s impossible for a true lowball when you have the options of purse bids, the market value will prevail.

[Enlightened-One]

But it’s hard to blaim that here seeing as anyone of the 15 could of chosen to take this to purse bids.

I believe the IBF only ordered a purse bid for Hrgovic-Hunter.

The American was a free agent (he didn't have the financial support of promoter) so he declined the Hrgovic fight, because the purse he was offered was allegedly inferior than the sums he's currently commanding with his newly-signed multi-fight deal with Triller.

In terms of the other IBF ranked fighters that rejected the chance to face Hrgovic, they weren't purse bids. The IBF didn't order anything for those guys.

It's clear that Filip Hrgovic is a commercially unpopular fighter, which explains Matchroom's handling of his career.