Canelo-Plant undisputed title clash hits a snag, Golovkin trilogy imminent?

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Canelo vs. Gennadiy Golovkin at 168lbs - who wins?

Canelo - Decision
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Canelo - T/KO
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DRAW
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Golovkin - T/KO
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31%
Golovkin - Decision
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8%
 
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Enlightened-One
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Canelo-Plant undisputed title clash hits a snag, Golovkin trilogy imminent?

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"Canelo-Plant undisputed title clash hits a snag, Golovkin trilogy imminent?" (Source: The RING)

According to The Athletic’s Lance Pugmire, DAZN recently reached out to former unified and current IBF middleweight titlist Gennadiy Golovkin to enquire whether he was available to fight Canelo Alvarez this fall.

“Ready, willing, and available,” the Kazakh responded.

Alvarez and Golovkin fought to a highly-controversial split draw in their first encounter in September 2017 and a rematch was scheduled for the following May. That fight was initially canceled when Canelo twice tested positive for the banned substance clenbuterol, but after months of mudslinging from both sides, Alvarez would eventually win the second fight via majority decision in September 2018.

Sources informed The Ring Tuesday afternoon that negotiations for a unification bout with the unified and Ring super middleweight world champion Alvarez and IBF titlist Caleb Plant had hit a snag. We were also tipped that Plant’s team at Premier Boxing Champions likely wanted the Mexican superstar to sign a multi-fight deal to box on their platforms.

Matchroom promoter Eddie Hearn also confirmed the news on the DAZN Boxing Show.

“[PBC] would prefer to do a three-fight deal, obviously, with Canelo Alvarez,” he stated. “This is their opportunity to try and allure him to the network.

“I feel like Caleb Plant shouldn’t be a pawn in this. Caleb Plant is a guy that should get the best deal and the best opportunity for this fight, but unfortunately that’s boxing, but we’ll see where it goes.

But Hearn then admitted there isn’t much time to come up with an opponent for September.

“This week is the crunch week,” he added. “We have to make a decision this week. We have two or three other fights ready to go.”

And one of them is Golovkin (41-1-1, 36 KOs). Last month, The Ring was first to report that he was in a dispute with DAZN over opponent selections. The streaming service pushed hard to get ‘GGG’ to fight WBO middleweight titlist Demetrius Andrade, but Golovkin refused to budge. The 39-year-old already has a fight lined up on New Year’s Eve against Japanese star Ryota Murata in Japan. Depending how a trilogy bout with Canelo turns out, that fight could potentially be in jeopardy.

Since signing a six-fight deal with DAZN in March 2019, Golovkin, who has not fought in nearly seven months, has defeated the likes of Steve Rolls, Sergiy Derevyanchenko to reclaim the vacant IBF title, and mandatory challenger Kamil Szeremeta.

Meanwhile Alvarez (56-1-2, 38 KOs) has continued to rack up more victories and titles. He moved up to light heavyweight in November 2019 and knocked out Sergey Kovalev in the 11th round to win a title in his third weight class. He then moved back down to 168 and unified the division, scoring victories over then-Ring world champion Callum Smith, Avni Yildirim, and most recently Billy Joe Saunders, who was brutally stopped in the eighth round on May 8.


Thoughts? :-?
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Canelo isn't likely to move down, but for ageing Golovkin it'll probably be even better to cut less. If Canelo wins Plant, he 3rd bout vs GGG at the SMW for the undisputed championship sounds great. It's a fight for huge legacy and it'll sell. Anyway, Golovkin's chances for the win won't be that big. Canelo will finally score a decisive decision over GGG.
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I dont believe the bout with Plant and Canelo is in jeopardy a'tall in fact I think Plant addressed this, as it were.


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Thoughts?

IF it's true good for GGG, shame on Plant.

If the Plant camp price themselves out of the Canelo fight I hope they never get a second chance.
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While GGG clearly deserves it if he wants it, i feel by now his chance of winning is gone. Shame because it really should be 1-0-1 to tripple G... Canelo could stop him if they fight again, and people would make the claim that that conclusivly ends the rivalry and canelo is better, but really its just 2021 GGG is unlikely to be a match for 2018 GGG.

If plant wants to be a bitch i'd Rather see canelo vs the light heavys... Joe smith, Bivol, Beter and ramerez are all good fights..
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pleeaaaasssssssee not canelo vs ggg 3, that ship has sailed and obviously the fight will just turn more in canelo's favour

what i'd like to see is canelo make a 175 run and ggg fight munguia
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margaret thatcher wrote: 14 Jul 2021, 01:42 pleeaaaasssssssee not canelo vs ggg 3, that ship has sailed and obviously the fight will just turn more in canelo's favour

what i'd like to see is canelo make a 175 run and ggg fight munguia
'make a run' is exactly what he gonna do vs. beterbiev. run for his life, time beterbiev on a couple of shots every second round and get the gift decision handed on a silver platter for surviving. in case he does survive which is highly likely cause he won't engage with him.


where's the option 'canelo by robbery part 3'?
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margaret thatcher wrote: 14 Jul 2021, 01:42 pleeaaaasssssssee not canelo vs ggg 3, that ship has sailed and obviously the fight will just turn more in canelo's favour

what i'd like to see is canelo make a 175 run and ggg fight munguia
Yeah, the most interesting fights for Canelo are at 175. Only there it'll be competetive for him. That's why he's not there.
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how people think canelo finally will 'stop' ggg in a third encounter is beyond me.

the aging kazakh is fading, naturally but he's still constantly in tip top fighting shape and surely didn't suddenly loose his iron cast chin.

canelo couldn't put a dent in him in 24 rounds. how often did the mexican really stop golovkin in his tracks or even made him back up?

no way canelo 'stops' golovkin.
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adislav123 wrote: 14 Jul 2021, 05:03 how people think canelo finally will 'stop' ggg in a third encounter is beyond me.

the aging kazakh is fading, naturally but he's still constantly in tip top fighting shape and surely didn't suddenly loose his iron cast chin.

canelo couldn't put a dent in him in 24 rounds. how often did the mexican really stop golovkin in his tracks or even made him back up?

no way canelo 'stops' golovkin.
My memory is a bit fuzzy, but didn't we see Sergiy Derevyanchenko hurting Gennadiy Golovkin during the third, fifth, sixth and ninth rounds of their bout?

And that was almost two years ago, with GGG having only engaged in the Szeremeta mismatch since that date.

Today's version of Canelo is a much bigger puncher than Derevyanchenko and the Mexican has also improved significantly in the three years that have transpired since the second GGG bout.

In stark contrast, Golovkin has been inactive over the last three years, the calibre of opposition he’s fought is significantly worse than Canelo's, coupled with the fact we’ve seen signs of GGG’s decline (especially during the Derevyanchenko bout).

Put it this way, if Sergiy Derevyanchenko was capable of hurting GGG two years ago, then it’s entirely feasible that the 168lbs dramatically improved iteration of Canelo could go one step further, by forcing the stoppage.
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People act like aging isn’t real. This isn’t a thing against GGG, out of there 24 rounds I 100% have him up and even then he was past prime. but he is old, inactive and visibly worse, while canelo is prime and visibly better. It would be a sustained beating, and in the later rounds id definatly have a stoppage as a possibility.

Just like how Spence might well stop manny (although that’s more likely), dosent mean he is better, he is just prime and manny is not.
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The author of that article doesn't cite any sources. And some of his opinions seem a little bizarre to me.

This could simply be a click-bait article.
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Enlightened-One wrote: 14 Jul 2021, 06:33
adislav123 wrote: 14 Jul 2021, 05:03 how people think canelo finally will 'stop' ggg in a third encounter is beyond me.

the aging kazakh is fading, naturally but he's still constantly in tip top fighting shape and surely didn't suddenly loose his iron cast chin.

canelo couldn't put a dent in him in 24 rounds. how often did the mexican really stop golovkin in his tracks or even made him back up?

no way canelo 'stops' golovkin.
My memory is a bit fuzzy, but didn't we see Sergiy Derevyanchenko hurting Gennadiy Golovkin during the third, fifth, sixth and ninth rounds of their bout?

And that was almost two years ago, with GGG having only engaged in the Szeremeta mismatch since that date.

Today's version of Canelo is a much bigger puncher than Derevyanchenko and the Mexican has also improved significantly in the three years that have transpired since the second GGG bout.

In stark contrast, Golovkin has been inactive over the last three years, the calibre of opposition he’s fought is significantly worse than Canelo's, coupled with the fact we’ve seen signs of GGG’s decline (especially during the Derevyanchenko bout).

Put it this way, if Sergiy Derevyanchenko was capable of hurting GGG two years ago, then it’s entirely feasible that the 168lbs dramatically improved iteration of Canelo could go one step further, by forcing the stoppage.
maybe if 'forcing the stoppage' translates to a dubious ref decision to 'protect' ggg from further 'punishment' after a canelo flurry, then yeah it's possible canelo may 'force the stoppage'.

no way does he knockout ggg clean or administers a beating that would justify a 'stoppage' whereas ggg isn't capable of further defending himself.

just not happening.
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adislav123 wrote: 14 Jul 2021, 07:14
Enlightened-One wrote: 14 Jul 2021, 06:33
adislav123 wrote: 14 Jul 2021, 05:03 how people think canelo finally will 'stop' ggg in a third encounter is beyond me.

the aging kazakh is fading, naturally but he's still constantly in tip top fighting shape and surely didn't suddenly loose his iron cast chin.

canelo couldn't put a dent in him in 24 rounds. how often did the mexican really stop golovkin in his tracks or even made him back up?

no way canelo 'stops' golovkin.
My memory is a bit fuzzy, but didn't we see Sergiy Derevyanchenko hurting Gennadiy Golovkin during the third, fifth, sixth and ninth rounds of their bout?

And that was almost two years ago, with GGG having only engaged in the Szeremeta mismatch since that date.

Today's version of Canelo is a much bigger puncher than Derevyanchenko and the Mexican has also improved significantly in the three years that have transpired since the second GGG bout.

In stark contrast, Golovkin has been inactive over the last three years, the calibre of opposition he’s fought is significantly worse than Canelo's, coupled with the fact we’ve seen signs of GGG’s decline (especially during the Derevyanchenko bout).

Put it this way, if Sergiy Derevyanchenko was capable of hurting GGG two years ago, then it’s entirely feasible that the 168lbs dramatically improved iteration of Canelo could go one step further, by forcing the stoppage.
maybe if 'forcing the stoppage' translates to a dubious ref decision to 'protect' ggg from further 'punishment' after a canelo flurry, then yeah it's possible canelo may 'force the stoppage'.

no way does he knockout ggg clean or administers a beating that would justify a 'stoppage' whereas ggg isn't capable of further defending himself.

just not happening.
Canelo doesn’t have Julian Jackson or Gerald McClellan like power. He usually forces the stoppage through attrition.

And the ref may be more inclined to protect an aging fighter that is past-their-prime, than a young hungry lion that’s at their physical peak.

So you’re probably right, Canelo will likely overwhelm GGG during the late stages of their bout, compelling the ref to stop the fight, with Gennadiy’s outraged fans probably passionately arguing that it was a premature stoppage.

It’s a no-win situation for the ref, because they either stop bouts one punch too soon or one punch too late. It is rare to see fight fans praising the “perfect” stoppage.
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f@cking ggg fanbois, hypothetically attacking the poor innocent ref for a stoppage that doesnt exist

count it as more evidence of how crazy ggg fans are. so unfair to canelo and the refs/judges
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Enlightened-One wrote: 14 Jul 2021, 07:10
The author of that article doesn't cite any sources. And some of his opinions seem a little bizarre to me.

This could simply be a click-bait article.
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The fight with Plant/Canelo is on. Both men are back in the gym starting camp with an impending announcement on the docket. Print it.

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Goliath wrote: 14 Jul 2021, 08:53
Enlightened-One wrote: 14 Jul 2021, 07:10
The author of that article doesn't cite any sources. And some of his opinions seem a little bizarre to me.

This could simply be a click-bait article.
:bag: :bag: :bag:

The fight with Plant/Canelo is on. Both men are back in the gym starting camp with an impending announcement on the docket. Print it.

:salut:
Well I hope you're right. I'd love to see this fight.
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Enlightened-One wrote: 14 Jul 2021, 09:01
Goliath wrote: 14 Jul 2021, 08:53
Enlightened-One wrote: 14 Jul 2021, 07:10
The author of that article doesn't cite any sources. And some of his opinions seem a little bizarre to me.

This could simply be a click-bait article.
:bag: :bag: :bag:

The fight with Plant/Canelo is on. Both men are back in the gym starting camp with an impending announcement on the docket. Print it.

:salut:
Well I hope you're right. I'd love to see this fight.
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Although Im not a fan of Plant it's impossible to ignore the height/reach/speed advantage he will bring against the red-headed stepchild.

Plant is a bit of an enigma in that we've never really seen him hurt or tested in any way as to form an opinion on how good he may actually be. He was an amateur champion at LHW against some very stiff opposition though, so he will definitely not be muscled around by Canelo, IMO.

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I am not proud of my vote for a Canelo KO this 3rd time around. But, to me, this is a whole new kind of Canelo that is soaring with confidence, speed and power.

I’ll be on the couch biting my nails and hoping that GGG finds a way to get it done but it’s highly highly highly unlikely that this fight is anywhere remotely as close as the previous 2 were.
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535418 wrote: 14 Jul 2021, 08:44
So you're leaning towards the fight still being on??
Yes


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margaret thatcher wrote: 14 Jul 2021, 01:42 pleeaaaasssssssee not canelo vs ggg 3, that ship has sailed and obviously the fight will just turn more in canelo's favour

what i'd like to see is canelo make a 175 run and ggg fight munguia
May as well, since both refuse to fight Andrade. Mungy even gave up his mandatory to get out of fighting Boo.

Canelo listed 4 fighters on his radar (not Andrade) plant, benevidez, charlo, and spence. Yes, a welterweight over a middleweight beltholder.
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