Prime Carl Froch vs Canelo at SMW - Who wins it?

[Goliath]

As a huge fan of Carl Froch I'm disappointed he's not around to take on the red-headed stepchild in Canelo, as it were. How would a fight between Canelo and the Cobra pan out?

[DrDuke]

Ward-like.

[gilgamesh]

The fight would be pretty evenly fought, which means Canelo would get a Unanimous Decision.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Unpopular opinion alert!

Froch was not a smart fighter at all, he was a fighter though.

Canelo would Ward him 10 times out if 10.

Btw. When exactly was Froch’s prime?

Did his prime ever end? Did he retire at his peak?

[Goliath]

Unpopular opinion alert!


Btw. When exactly was Froch’s prime?

He was definitely at his best for the Lucian Bute fight

[DrDuke]

Btw. When exactly was Froch’s prime?

Did his prime ever end? Did he retire at his peak?

Probably he was a bit declined by the Groves' fights. Anyway, he retired in time, not highly declined.

[Goliath]

Unpopular opinion alert!

Froch was not a smart fighter at all, he was a fighter though.

Not a smart fighter yet he beat the likes of Mikkel Kessler, Jermain Taylor, Dirrell, Pascal and plenty of others. I dont think so scooter. Put the pipe away noob. Unpopular opinion? LOL...how bout delusional?

[Ruthless-RKO]

Unpopular opinion alert!

Froch was not a smart fighter at all, he was a fighter though.

Not a smart fighter yet he beat the likes of Mikkel Kessler, Jermain Taylor, Dirrell, Pascal and plenty of others. I dont think so scooter. Put the pipe away noob. Unpopular opinion? LOL...how bout delusional?

I stand by it. He wasn’t smart. He also lost to Kessler and he wasn’t losing to Taylor.

The Pascal fight was really early in Pascals career aswell. Not saying it wasn’t a good win though.

Not saying Froch was a crap boxer either.

There’s a difference.

[Goliath]

I stand by it. He wasn’t smart.

The noobs have officially inherited the board, nuff said.

[squiggy]

The fight would be pretty evenly fought, which means Canelo would get a Unanimous Decision.

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I'd say I would really, really slightly favor Froch. But it'd almost certainly go the distance, and as you say, Canelo's hand's gettin' raised at the end no matter what.

[Ruthless-RKO]

I stand by it. He wasn’t smart.

The noobs have officially inherited the board, nuff said.

Think what you like mate.

[Cent0089]

Canelo close UD with Froch having his moments in a entertaning fight

[Goliath]

I stand by it. He wasn’t smart.

The noobs have officially inherited the board, nuff said.

Think what you like mate.

Ohhhh uh oh looks like someone's become a bit salty after that douzy of a remark...LOL.

We can just call it a 'fact' my dear boy, shall we?

[Cyclops]

SWM is very weak at the moment, and do people really think Froch couldn't have beaten up or even possibly stopped Callum Smith, who is the best SMW on Canelo's record? I think Froch was a tougher fighter than Smith, and a big Super Middle.

Froch is a live dog but I don't think he can stop Canelo so Canelo on points.

Ward was better than Canelo is now. Ward had a weird career, and I didn't like him, but he was a total beast and would have beaten Canelo.

Canelo-Froch would be closer than Froch-Ward.

[Goliath]

I'd say I would really, really slightly favor Froch.

I believe that is spot-on chum...nevermind what the judges would render I think Froch edges it out in a contest of attrition and smarts. Using that massive reach/height advantage to dig in shots to the body early on with big shots upstairs to follow in the 3rd and 4th quarter of the bout.

[Ruthless-RKO]

The noobs have officially inherited the board, nuff said.

Think what you like mate.

Ohhhh uh oh looks like someone's become a bit salty after that douzy of a remark...LOL.

We can just call it a 'fact' my dear boy, shall we?

If you’re related to to Carl then that’s fine. I honestly don’t care what you think. Just like you may as well not care what I think.

You’re the only salty one here..

[Goliath]

Think what you like mate.

Ohhhh uh oh looks like someone's become a bit salty after that douzy of a remark...LOL.

We can just call it a 'fact' my dear boy, shall we?

If you’re related to to Carl then that’s fine. I honestly don’t care what you think. Just like you may as well not care what I think.

You’re the only salty one here..

Yup it's official, I struck a nerve with that one.

Perpetuating it only makes it seem all the more obvious, doesnt it?

Rover is that you??

[Enlightened-One]

This forum can be a bit like Groundhog Day, whereby the same topics keep getting discussed over-and-over again every few months or so.

Anyway, this was my opinion on the matter I conveyed to the forum back in September of last year… and I haven’t seen any reason since that date to compel me to revise my thoughts:

Carl Froch (2008-2012) vs Canelo Alvarez (2019) @168 lbs - who would win this match and how?

This has a decision outcome written all over it.

Canelo has better skills, but Froch is the busier fighter with the vastly superior engine. Both men are tough and heavy-handed.

Froch has been outboxed at times during several bouts. And Canelo has been outworked at times during several bouts.

People's perceptions for the outcome of the bout could be very subjective in nature, with opinions varying greatly, based on the quality versus quantity conundrum. It would all be down to personal stylistic preference.

However, the venue of the bout could ultimately determine which fighter gets the nod on the judges' scorecards.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Ohhhh uh oh looks like someone's become a bit salty after that douzy of a remark...LOL.

We can just call it a 'fact' my dear boy, shall we?

If you’re related to to Carl then that’s fine. I honestly don’t care what you think. Just like you may as well not care what I think.

You’re the only salty one here..

Yup it's official, I struck a nerve with that one.

Perpetuating it only makes it seem all the more obvious, doesnt it?

Rover is that you??

No nerves pal. Wasting my time even replying to you. Facts can hurt. But I didn’t know an opinion could hurt so much. Poor guy. I actually feel sorry for you.

[apollo creed]

SWM is very weak at the moment, and do people really think Froch couldn't have beaten up or even possibly stopped Callum Smith, who is the best SMW on Canelo's record? I think Froch was a tougher fighter than Smith, and a big Super Middle.

Froch is a live dog but I don't think he can stop Canelo so Canelo on points.

Ward was better than Canelo is now. Ward had a weird career, and I didn't like him, but he was a total beast and would have beaten Canelo.

Canelo-Froch would be closer than Froch-Ward.

Indeed this era of smw division is very weak. Froch most probably would've stopped clearly guys like Smith , Plant and BJS. People forget how tough, awkward and deceiving was Froch as a fighter. Froch defeated Pascal, Kessler, Abraham, Bute, Taylor, undefeated Groves and Dirrell when the smw division was very hot and full of talent.

People are hyping Smith because he beat a washed up version of Groves- who was almost damaged goods after those two tough fights with Froch. Also Ryder beat Smith imo.

I'd say a prime Froch would give a tough fight to Canelo but I also think Canelo would fight Froch at a close distance using angles, waist&head defence, feints, traps and lots of counters to the head and the body. Froch would have his good moments but Canelo would edge the win.

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[Enlightened-One]

SWM is very weak at the moment, and do people really think Froch couldn't have beaten up or even possibly stopped Callum Smith, who is the best SMW on Canelo's record? I think Froch was a tougher fighter than Smith, and a big Super Middle.

Froch is a live dog but I don't think he can stop Canelo so Canelo on points.

Ward was better than Canelo is now. Ward had a weird career, and I didn't like him, but he was a total beast and would have beaten Canelo.

Canelo-Froch would be closer than Froch-Ward.

Indeed this era of smw division is very weak. Froch most probably would've stopped clearly guys like Smith , Plant and BJS.

Out of interest apollo, what criteria are you using to determine whether the 168lbs division is “weak” or not.

I’m not disagreeing with you, by the way, it’s just that I’m intrigued.

I feel that today’s top fighters competing from 160lbs to 175lbs are mentally “weak”, because they’re refusing to take risks, by competing against their world-rated peers (due to a loss scuppering their prospects for facing Canelo).

I also believe that a naturally small guy, like Canelo, shouldn’t be dominating (on both the scorecards and also physically) much bigger world-rated opponents.

So whenever Canelo faces an opponent, they tend to have very limited experience engaging in marquee events against the top-dogs in their own weight class, because they’re only familiar with being protected, by competing in low-key bouts against vastly inferior opposition.

This risk-averse mind-set were currently seeing, unfortunately (through no fault of his own) undermines Canelo’s achievements.

In my mind, Canelo’s dominance is mainly due to all his world-rated peers refusing to fight each other.

You have so many unproven talents giving Canelo ultimatums to the cash chow A-side:
• Jermall Charlo demanding that Canelo face him....AT A CATCHWEIGHT!
• Caleb Plant rejecting two offers and for the third time of asking, he's now demanding $10m to face Canelo, despite typically earning $750K per bout!
• Demetrius Andrade desperately hoping he’ll stumble upon a Canelo payday by crashing a few press conferences, instead of EARNING his shot inside the ring!

Most of us can also cite many more examples, which means that nearly ALL fighters competing from 160lbs to 175lbs deserve criticism!

And that’s the reason why many overrate Canelo, but underrate Froch, because it’s much easier to look impressive against weaker opposition.

Whenever I don’t really have a horse in the proverbial race, I nearly always support the underdog, because I like to seeing upsets, but I adopt the polar opposite approach to Canelo’s foes, because (love him or loathe him) at least the Mexican (like Froch) is willing to fight ANYONE!

[apollo creed]

Indeed it's easier to look good against lesser opposition. Maybe Canelo would not be able to do all his tricks or impose his power against a prime Froch. "Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth".

[adislav123]

nothing to disagree there.

xcept one man sticks out and beat everyone they put in front of him including canelo!

gennadyi golovkin who beat canelo twice! back 2 back!

just wanted to mention it once so people don't get confused just cause the frikkin record says fvckin otherwise!

that some of the fights during ggg's reign didn't get made we are well aware.

surely not because golovkin ducking but because of the respective circumstances. (surely eo will meticulously state the reasons once again.)

you can't tell me ggg himself was not willing to face everybody out there.

[Enlightened-One]

you can't tell me ggg himself was not willing to face everybody out there.

Was not or is not?

Anyway, I'm glad we agree on everything else.