Terence Crawford vs. Shawn Porter | ESPN PPV - November 20, 2021

[joshj909]

I think there could be some money to be made on Porter. I'm not saying he should be favourite but as many in this post have said, he's one of the best if not the best opponent Crawford has faced. The odds on the other hand will likely imply Porter has very little chance. However, although he's not like top P4P, he's no slouch and we've seen stranger things. Crawford might just not be prepared while Porter has faced top opponents time and time again.

[victor-romeo]

Crawford should take this fight for his legacy, Crawford past his prime, Porter more past his prime, its a good fight and Crawford needs it for his legacy, I have Crawford getting a KO in this one..

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I hope this happens.

Bud Crawford needs a proper test at 147 and Porter is a hard night's work for anybody.

My money would be on Crawford, as he is just better, but unlike Porter, he has no pedigree at 147 & it wouldn't surprise me if Porter shocked him.

[gregregegg]

This mando dosent make things any closer I don’t think…this fight should be very close to 50-50 split, bud has the belt but needs a dance partner and porter has been doing better numbers.and he is the one fighting top welters.

I see this as WBO doing craw a favour. He can take it to bids, and porter won’t take it for under 3 million, so either bud gets to say porter ducked or the bid is massive (12+++million) and bud gets a pay day. (Even with the massive bid I think porter dosent take it and instead submits an offer to fight craw for 40-50% of the massive bid.

All this does is make craw get to say porter ducked him for not taking 25% Even though porter has big cash options like Danny Garcia, Thurman, Spence 2, mikey Garcia, manny, ugas 2… where as crawford has 140s….

[victor-romeo]

If Bud can bump off Porter, Spence fight becomes less important to Crawfords legacy but for the fans the people that control this should get off their a$$ and make the fight....not wait like pacqiao vs floyd which was way past it's prime and a big dud.

[Bandog]

Crawford's being dishonest saying finally a PBC fighter is being forced to fight him. Porter has called him out for months now.

That said, Crawford beats him no question if he boxes smart and avoids a brawl. If he fights like Spence fought Porter, he loses.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Crawford's being dishonest saying finally a PBC fighter is being forced to fight him. Porter has called him out for months now.

That said, Crawford beats him no question if he boxes smart and avoids a brawl. If he fights like Spence fought Porter, he loses.

Buts he’s not wrong. Porter is now being forced. Before he was calling him out and saying how he wants to be paid his worth etc, which fair enough I understand..

No one can be forced really.

[Bandog]

One thing for sure, if Crawford fought and beat Porter, it would help him a lot in negotiating a fight with Spence. He may not want to risk a loss though.

If Crawford beats Porter, it'll be his career-best opponent. It's a fight he could potentially lose.

Some people might disagree and reasonably claim that Viktor Postol or Yuriorkis Gamboa are Crawford's career highlights, but those bouts are ancient history (the former happened five years ago, with the latter taking place seven years ago).

There's one thing that most fight fans will almost certainly agree with though, is that Shawn Porter would definitely be the best opponent he's faced at 147lbs... and we're we're talking about a timespan exceeding four years.

I agree. Not fighting Porter and instead fighting an in - house jr welter will tell us a lot about Bud.

[margaret thatcher]

its not like porter is the wbo champ and needs to fight craw to keep a belt

porter being ordered as the challenger isnt really porter being forced to fight craw. im sure there is plenty of in house pbc stuff for porter to take instead

[Bandog]

Crawford's being dishonest saying finally a PBC fighter is being forced to fight him. Porter has called him out for months now.

That said, Crawford beats him no question if he boxes smart and avoids a brawl. If he fights like Spence fought Porter, he loses.

Buts he’s not wrong. Porter is now being forced. Before he was calling him out and saying how he wants to be paid his worth etc, which fair enough I understand..

No one can be forced really.

No, Crawford is being dishonest, and wrong, no matter how you spin it. Porter said publicly he wanted the fight with Crawford several times. I know, its hard to dis guys like Crawford, but he clearly didn't want the fight with Porter.

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Arum believes fight can be made PPV

“Last year, there was no mandatory involved,” Arum told Boxing Scene on Thursday. “This year, it’s a fight that’s been demanded by the [WBO], and let’s see how we can get it done. It’s a lot different vibe when an organization mandates a fight that is a real fight. It’s another thing when an organization mandates a fight that is not competitive, which happens so many times. But nobody can say that this fight isn’t competitive.”

“F--- his legacy,” Arum said. “F--- any of that. He has to fight this fight to keep his title, and I’ll leave his legacy or lack of legacy up to you. Terence is a terrific fighter. He’s fought everybody that we can get for him and, obviously, Porter is the biggest name that he will have fought recently.”

“Hopefully, we’ll be able to get it done,” Arum said of working with TGB and PBC. “I mean, it’s a good fight and we’re prepared to do it. Let’s see how it works out. I thought [the WBO was] very fair to Porter, Porter’s side, with the 40 percent. And I think it’ll do reasonably well on pay-per-view.”

TGB and Top Rank have until August 20 to complete a deal, which would avoid a purse bid.

“The way we left it was that [Top Rank president] Todd [duBoef] would talk to the PBC people, who we’re working with now, to see what could be done on a cooperative basis,” Arum said. “In 30 days, we’ll either get it done or it’ll go to purse bid. But I’m optimistic that we can get it done. It’s a terrific fight and I think people will be interested. And I think it’ll do some decent money.”

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60-40 instead of the usual 80-20 if it goes to bids.

[gregregegg]

OK, with a 60-40 split this fight might just happen.

40% of what should be a pretty decent bid, a crack at a champ, no rematch clause, if you win you can take the belt back to PBC and hold it hostage or do undisputed with spence/manny winner...I actualy can not see how porter can say no to that.

And Crawford absolutely can not say no unless he fights Taylor for all the belts at 140 or fights a 154 for a belt, or fights spence (of those 3 i think running to 154 is most likely)...

Whens bids? WBO are not fornicating about, i like WBO (sometimes), having the balls to revise the mando splits to give the fight a chance is a class move, sure you need a standard, but whats the point in calling a mando with splits that arnt fair.

[Enlightened-One]

For Crawford to receive his customary $4m payday, the winning purse bid would need to exceed $6.6m (to satisfy the 60-40 purse split).

Top Rank paid $6m in total to stage the Crawford-Brook bout, with the Brit’s purse being $2m.

Bob Arum previously refused to pay more than $2m to Shawn Porter in order to face Crawford, claiming that Top Rank will no longer be willing to lose money funding Bud’s fights.

So my guess is that Top Rank will cap their bid at $7m (they can’t bid much less than that without reneging on their contract with Bud), which means there’s a strong possibility we’ll see the Crawford-Porter bout on Fox or DAZN, instead of ESPN.

If Top Rank defies my expectations, by submitting a huge bid to secure the rights for ESPN, then this might suggest that Bob Arum might be attempting to persuade Crawford to extend his contract.

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OK, with a 60-40 split this fight might just happen.

40% of what should be a pretty decent bid, a crack at a champ, no rematch clause, if you win you can take the belt back to PBC and hold it hostage or do undisputed with spence/manny winner...I actualy can not see how porter can say no to that.

And Crawford absolutely can not say no unless he fights Taylor for all the belts at 140 or fights a 154 for a belt, or fights spence (of those 3 i think running to 154 is most likely)...

Whens bids? WBO are not fornicating about, i like WBO (sometimes), having the balls to revise the mando splits to give the fight a chance is a class move, sure you need a standard, but whats the point in calling a mando with splits that arnt fair.

They got up until August 20 to make a deal, before it goes to purse bids.

[Bandog]

Waiting to hear how Arum will stop this fight from happening....

[gregregegg]

For Crawford to receive his customary $4m payday, the winning purse bid would need to exceed $6.6m (to satisfy the 60-40 purse split).

Top Rank paid $6m in total to stage the Crawford-Brook bout, with the Brit’s purse being $2m.

Bob Arum previously refused to pay more than $2m to Shawn Porter in order to face Crawford, claiming that Top Rank will no longer be willing to lose money funding Bud’s fights.

So my guess is that Top Rank will cap their bid at $7m (they can’t bid much less than that without reneging on their contract with Bud), which means there’s a strong possibility we’ll see the Crawford-Porter bout on Fox or DAZN, instead of ESPN.

If Top Rank defies my expectations, by submitting a huge bid to secure the rights for ESPN, then this might suggest that Bob Arum might be attempting to persuade Crawford to extend his contract.

How will promoters go about the bids?

My guess is:

Bob: Bob Shit talks the fight, shit talks crawford, calls porter a journyman, says neither do any numbers, bids 6.8 millon, and then says boxings gone mad when he loses.

PBC: Bid with the intention to put it on as a $900 ppv ($2000 if you want HD).

Eddie/Dazn: Bid to piss of bob (or to suck up to free agent crawford).

Triller: just toss a dart at a dart board and bid however many million that says..

kalee sunderland/wasserman: Wasserman cuts a check for Kalee to take down to purse bids, he instead cashes the check and buys a garbage bag full of Columbian icing sugar. proceeds to carry on his day to day life sleeping once a week and staring deeply into peoples souls.

[adislav123]

porter gets stopped late either by ref/corner after a couple of knockdowns or is sent to sleep by a clean timed crawford step back uppercut.

styles make fights. porters head forward 'bully u 2 death' approach is tailor made for bud.

it may look competitive early on til crawford's in the flow, get's the timing right.

porter is a tough cookie with a lion's heart, never got stopped but there's a first time for everything.

i just don't see him surviving crawford's precision counterpunching. at some point he ducks or turns into an uppercut/hook and it's game over.

if i'm wrong and porter really stays on his feet for 12 rounds he will take a bad beating losing clearly on points.

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I'd be shocked if Crawford actually fights Porter. Crawford has never reallt shown interest in fighting Porter, who is legit & risk for anyone.

[victor-romeo]

CRAWFORD SHOULD TAKE THIS FIGHT...

[Bandog]

CRAWFORD SHOULD TAKE THIS FIGHT...

If he doesn't, it won't look good for Crawford. He has beaten a smaller, less physical guy Felix Diaz with a somewhat similar style of Porter. We'll see. Crawford should win. Time to strap the nuts on.

I would almost guarantee if Crawford turns this fight down, he won't get the Spence fight.

[thereverend]

I have to admit I don't understand boxing, as a business, at all. I do understand Arum and Haymon see their fighters as investments, basically like a piece of stock, that they want to maintain at a high level of value. I don't understand why holding onto the stock forever is a better way to use the investment then to cash it in as quickly and as many times as possible, before the fighter gets too old to have value. In as many competitive and exciting fights as possible.

Every boxing fan wants to see the best fight the best. By now Crawford should have fought every top welterweight, if he wins his value increases exponentially, if he loses and the fight is good, the investment doesn't decrease. Every fight fan wants to see these fights. I would have paid PPV money to see them. We all would have. It doesn't make any sense how they sit on these guys. These promoters think they're more important then the fighters, more important then the sport. It's a bizarre situation.

[Onetimeonly]

CRAWFORD SHOULD TAKE THIS FIGHT...

It's up to Porter. Crawford won't drop his belt.

[Bandog]

I have to admit I don't understand boxing, as a business, at all. I do understand Arum and Haymon see their fighters as investments, basically like a piece of stock, that they want to maintain at a high level of value. I don't understand why holding onto the stock forever is a better way to use the investment then to cash it in as quickly and as many times as possible, before the fighter gets too old to have value. In as many competitive and exciting fights as possible.

Every boxing fan wants to see the best fight the best. By now Crawford should have fought every top welterweight, if he wins his value increases exponentially, if he loses and the fight is good, the investment doesn't decrease. Every fight fan wants to see these fights. I would have paid PPV money to see them. We all would have. It doesn't make any sense how they sit on these guys. These promoters think they're more important then the fighters, more important then the sport. It's a bizarre situation.

It comes down to Arum's greed. There were dozens of excuses from him to not make a fight with Pac vs Floyd, and in the meantime (about 5 yrs) pac fought in house fights. Doing the same with Crawford.

[margaret thatcher]

agreed, bob is really selfish and alturistic, whereas a guy like haymon is an altruist and clearly working to make the sport better