Round-by-Round: Joe Joyce vs. Carlos Takam - 24 July 2021

[Dioufy]

He took best shots of the World level puncher, if not World level boxer, Dubois. He has just been eating shots from Takam all night long without any signs of trouble.

Are you Sam Jones?
Dubois is a hard puncher at the level he’s fought at… which is fringe Euro level at the moment.
Whyte has been in with world champions.
I’m not saying Joyce won’t win… he probably will but let’s rate him more effectively when he’s been in with current world class heavies. Fact is… he’s been no where near them yet.

Are you Eddie Hearn? Joyce was against the World level fighters. Stiverne could be shot, but Jennings was more or less credible. Whyte could be against more World level fighters, but he was hurt more through his last 10 fights than not. He's far from being a defensive wizard and a well-chinned one. Joyce will get to him.

How can I be Eddie Hearn when I’m saying I think the fight is 50/50?
Stiverne and Jennings’ being good barometers for the best?
Gawd.
I change my mind.
Whyte TKO1.

[DrDuke]

Are you Sam Jones?
Dubois is a hard puncher at the level he’s fought at… which is fringe Euro level at the moment.
Whyte has been in with world champions.
I’m not saying Joyce won’t win… he probably will but let’s rate him more effectively when he’s been in with current world class heavies. Fact is… he’s been no where near them yet.

Are you Eddie Hearn? Joyce was against the World level fighters. Stiverne could be shot, but Jennings was more or less credible. Whyte could be against more World level fighters, but he was hurt more through his last 10 fights than not. He's far from being a defensive wizard and a well-chinned one. Joyce will get to him.

How can I be Eddie Hearn when I’m saying I think the fight is 50/50?
Stiverne and Jennings’ being good barometers for the best?
Gawd.
I change my mind.
Whyte TKO1.

I wasn't saying, that Joyce would win every round either. I can see Whyte winning on points, I told that too. He's just a too vulnerable fighter and Joyce's pace and workrate is high.

[maverick23]

Didn’t realise that Joyce has had his chin tested by anywhere near world level.
It’s good against the level of opposition he’s been against but a win vs Whyte would be Joe’s best win as he’s the best fighter he would’ve fought.
Whyte could definitely stop Joyce and he could stop him early.

He took best shots of the World level puncher, if not World level boxer, Dubois. He has just been eating shots from Takam all night long without any signs of trouble.

Are you Sam Jones?
Dubois is a hard puncher at the level he’s fought at… which is fringe Euro level at the moment.
Whyte has been in with world champions.
I’m not saying Joyce won’t win… he probably will but let’s rate him more effectively when he’s been in with current world class heavies. Fact is… he’s been no where near them yet.

Yep - Dubois has feasted on low level opposition his whole career. He best win was probably against a very out of shape and troubled Nathan Gorman.

It was a good win for Joyce but let’s not make Dubois out to be something he hasn’t proven to be.

Kevin Johnson coasted through to the distance with him and we know what AJ (a genuine world class puncher) did to him.

[JamesPhilips]

Joshua? Usyk? Ha! They don’t wanna war with Big Juggernaut Big Juggernaut!!!!

Lol this tune is my discovery of the night and Big Joe does a bit of background lyrics here….

No one. But no one wants a war with Big Juggernaut!

[JamesPhilips]

jj v hughie fury i think hughie would beat him

Urgh!
Your may be right, but to do it Hughie would have to stink the joint out, and have the fight of his career.
I like watching Joe Joyce, and not so much Hughie

Yeah it would be like the white Muhammad Ali bs Mixed race George Foreman…. Hopefully Foreman would win this time

[joshj909]

Bad stoppage, much worse than the AJ/Takam stoppage. Joyce was starting to takeover as Takam tired and caught him well at the beginning of the round but Takam was still there.

The fight showed that Takam might still be able to beat a few up and comers, while Joyce is looking more and more easy to hit for the top guys.

why do you think it was worse? just interested.

AJ vs takem stopage, AJ landed a 1-2 then takem avoided the rest brilliantly, pulled back out of ranged of a big right, slipped a left and ducked under the next big right, then the ref stopped it.

Joyce vs takem stopage, joyce threw 15 + unanswered shots, about 12 landed, takem was just leaning fowards on unsteady legs, finaly got rocked back and it was stopped.

Takem was still protecting himself vs AJ was not vs joyce.

I may be wrong as I've not watched it back since, but from my memory, AJ had landed just as many without receiving a shot back, he landed a much harder combo and caught him well. He'd also dropped him earlier on and the whole fight was very one sided. All those things together, for me, made it a better stoppage than this, despite both being an early stoppage.

I can understand some may disagree as both would be down to their own interpretation and I also haven't watched the AJ/Takam fight since watching it live.

[dookus]

Takam's legs had clearly gone vs Joyce, against AJ they were fine. I don't have a problem with the Joyce stoppage.

[Boxerbeetle]

I’d certainly make both Joshua and Usyk heavy favourites against Joyce, both are all wrong for him, albeit for completely opposite reasons.

Never know with Wilder, he’s a total sh!t boxer but could lay JJ out completely if he landed his right hand (and unlike against other opponents, he’d have no trouble with landing on Joyce).

[DrDuke]

I’d certainly make both Joshua and Usyk heavy favourites against Joyce, both are all wrong for him, albeit for completely opposite reasons.

Never know with Wilder, he’s a total sh!t boxer but could lay JJ out completely if he landed his right hand (and unlike against other opponents, he’d have no trouble with landing on Joyce).

Joyce' chin vs Wilder's punch is an interesting contest. Overall, Joyce seems a bad matchup for Wilder.

[JamesPhilips]

I’d certainly make both Joshua and Usyk heavy favourites against Joyce, both are all wrong for him, albeit for completely opposite reasons.

Never know with Wilder, he’s a total sh!t boxer but could lay JJ out completely if he landed his right hand (and unlike against other opponents, he’d have no trouble with landing on Joyce).

Juggernaut has a decent chance with Joshua and esp Usyk. He will have a huge weight advantage and the relatively light hitting Aleksandr who I think will struggle with Joe’s strength. He didn’t look great against Chisora who’s not nearly as strong as the Juggernaut. Both Josh and Usyk would be acceptable betting favourites but I would be very tempted with a Joyce bet esp if odds are wide.

[DrDuke]

I’d certainly make both Joshua and Usyk heavy favourites against Joyce, both are all wrong for him, albeit for completely opposite reasons.

Never know with Wilder, he’s a total sh!t boxer but could lay JJ out completely if he landed his right hand (and unlike against other opponents, he’d have no trouble with landing on Joyce).

Juggernaut has a decent chance with Joshua and esp Usyk. He will have a huge weight advantage and the relatively light hitting Aleksandr who I think will struggle with Joe’s strength. He didn’t look great against Chisora who’s not nearly as strong as the Juggernaut. Both Josh and Usyk would be acceptable betting favourites but I would be very tempted with a Joyce bet esp if odds are wide.

I'd pick both Usyk and Joshua over Joyce. Both are clearly better boxers, who can work rationally.

[JamesPhilips]

I’d certainly make both Joshua and Usyk heavy favourites against Joyce, both are all wrong for him, albeit for completely opposite reasons.

Never know with Wilder, he’s a total sh!t boxer but could lay JJ out completely if he landed his right hand (and unlike against other opponents, he’d have no trouble with landing on Joyce).

Juggernaut has a decent chance with Joshua and esp Usyk. He will have a huge weight advantage and the relatively light hitting Aleksandr who I think will struggle with Joe’s strength. He didn’t look great against Chisora who’s not nearly as strong as the Juggernaut. Both Josh and Usyk would be acceptable betting favourites but I would be very tempted with a Joyce bet esp if odds are wide.

I'd pick both Usyk and Joshua over Joyce. Both are clearly better boxers, who can work rationally.

I dont disagree - they would be rightful favourites. BUT I am just saying they could be value on a Joyce bet. I have a big soft spot for Joyce and he won me a grand against Dubois…. Having said that I was very nervous in first 3 rounds against Takam. He was just missing and eating blows. Some of that might be that Takam was throwing looping shots, from a low Tyson like stance and Carlos was his shortest opponent yet I think at 6ft1.

What price do you think they would offer against Josh and Usyk? I’m thinking Usyk 3-1 and Joshua 4 or 5-1?

[TheLeprechaun]

I’d certainly make both Joshua and Usyk heavy favourites against Joyce, both are all wrong for him, albeit for completely opposite reasons.

Never know with Wilder, he’s a total sh!t boxer but could lay JJ out completely if he landed his right hand (and unlike against other opponents, he’d have no trouble with landing on Joyce).

Joyce' chin vs Wilder's punch is an interesting contest. Overall, Joyce seems a bad matchup for Wilder.

Joyce seems to be the Homer Simpson of boxing. Wilders punches would probably bounce off him.

[DrDuke]

Juggernaut has a decent chance with Joshua and esp Usyk. He will have a huge weight advantage and the relatively light hitting Aleksandr who I think will struggle with Joe’s strength. He didn’t look great against Chisora who’s not nearly as strong as the Juggernaut. Both Josh and Usyk would be acceptable betting favourites but I would be very tempted with a Joyce bet esp if odds are wide.

I'd pick both Usyk and Joshua over Joyce. Both are clearly better boxers, who can work rationally.

I dont disagree - they would be rightful favourites. BUT I am just saying they could be value on a Joyce bet. I have a big soft spot for Joyce and he won me a grand against Dubois…. Having said that I was very nervous in first 3 rounds against Takam. He was just missing and eating blows. Some of that might be that Takam was throwing looping shots, from a low Tyson like stance and Carlos was his shortest opponent yet I think at 6ft1.

What price do you think they would offer against Josh and Usyk? I’m thinking Usyk 3-1 and Joshua 4 or 5-1?

Sounds about right.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Joshua? Usyk? Ha! They don’t wanna war with Big Juggernaut Big Juggernaut!!!!

Lol this tune is my discovery of the night and Big Joe does a bit of background lyrics here….

No one. But no one wants a war with Big Juggernaut!

The most fitting ring walk music for any boxer.

Obviously it was made for him in the first place.

[JamesPhilips]

Joshua? Usyk? Ha! They don’t wanna war with Big Juggernaut Big Juggernaut!!!!

Lol this tune is my discovery of the night and Big Joe does a bit of background lyrics here….

No one. But no one wants a war with Big Juggernaut!

The most fitting ring walk music for any boxer.

Obviously it was made for him in the first place.

Yeah man! I think Joyce does some voice in it too. I tried to get it on iTunes but not available…. I think it’s a bouncy uplifting track.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Quick highlights.

[The Gratest]

Each time I watch Joyce fighting, I'm always thinking (when compared to styles of other boxers at that level)'that just looks so wrong'. The way he holds his guard, the way he throws out his jab from the elbow (he reminds me of a boxing pen), the way he moves, his half speed punches which appear to be just arm punches, his robotic upright stance, lack of head movement, so open to getting caught clean by punches...yet, for some strange reason, it's been effective so far .

Takam caught him a fair few times with the right hand, but it was mainly in flurries at the very end of the rounds. During the rest of the round, Joyce was forcing him back, forcing him to fight (expend energy)and landing that deceptive jab, the same one that caught Dubois so often (albeit with the help of a stationary target). It was a decent stoppage, Takam's legs went and it appeared to be at the point in the fight where Joyce had taken Takam's best shots, was beginning to take over and Takam's energy had been sapped. It could have turned into a prolonged beating after that.

Despite my criticism of his style, I like Joyce. I even like him for being terrible to listen to pre-fight and post fight (I hated the false needle they tried to inject into the Dubois fight. They are both just nice, quiet types that don't need that scripted braggadocio. It just felt awkward and the fight would have sold without it).
I think he'll fall short against the top guys though.

Fury - would have too much ring smarts, movement, speed and would fight in flurries whilst tying him up.
AJ - think he could capitalize on Joyce's openess and it wouldn't just be single shots getting through that guard, it'd be combos with weight behind each shot resulting in a TKO at some point.
Wilder - this could go either way. We've seen Wilder struggle against some mediocre opposition like Szpilka. If Joyce can survive the slow start and early rounds, get into his groove and start forcing Wilder onto the backfoot then a late stoppage or points win to Joyce. However, Wilder does have that incredible one shot power and Joyce is open to that punch (he has been over before in the ama's), that it could well end up like Wilder's KO of Breazeale, although Joyce's chin appears to be a bit more solid.
Usyk - he beat Joyce in the WSB and uses his lateral movement and southpaw jab to great effect. If you stand in front of Joyce he'll walk you down and wear you out. Usyk would be constantly moving, take away Joyce's jab and do enough to sneak home on points albeit with a few moments of success for Joyce.

I'd like to see him in against a level of opposition just below the top guys. A Ruiz jr, Parker, Pulev sort with known strengths and weaknesses, that might give a better indication of whether his cumbersome, pressure style can be effective against that tier of fighter. Granted that won't happen now given his WBO mandatory position.

[rd350lc]

I like the Juggernaut a lot but he looks everything a top level boxer shouldn't be .
Has anyone ever seen him look good against anybody ? Always looks poor , but gets the job done .
He's as strong as an ox and the way flush punches just bounce off of him is something else .

[jamesmcdonnell]

Joyce looks poor but he is effective. He is deceptively heavy handed, his punches seem to be very hard despite a lack of rotation.

[DrDuke]

Joyce is a case, when size, natural strength, durability and chin makes one the beast of a man. He can be outboxed though. I won't pick him against Fury, Joshua and Usyk. Wilder and Ruiz are closer matchups. Whyte can outbox him, but his vulnerability will work against Dillian. Joyce' Olympic rivals, Yoka and Hrgovic, look like unpredictacle matchups.

[samwbr]

The Yoka fight would be good to see but it's not really doing him any favors.

[JamesPhilips]

(Let's get ready to rumble!)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
They don't want a war
They don't want a war with
Big Juggernaut
Big Juggernaut
(Ay!)
They don't want a war
They don't want a war with
Big Juggernaut
Big Juggernaut
(Ay!)
They don't want a war
They don't want a war with
Big Juggernaut
Big Juggernaut
(Ay!)
They don't want a war
They don't want a war with
Big Juggernaut
Big Juggernaut

They ain't never seen a hook like Joyce's (never)
Make these heavyweights settle down their voices (cool down)
Me and Juggernaut are stepping out of Royces (steppin' out)
Del don't, we got some others choices (other, other ones)
Ay, they don't want a war with the Juggernaut (nah!)
He's about to fight the Russian like it's Rocky 4 (wow!)
They don't want walk the walk, they just got the talk (ha!)
See him approach, throw that white towel on the floor
(*Ding, ding, ding*)
You just got saved by the bell
Joe's great can't you tell?
'Bout to take all the belts (gimme that!)
You just better wish for some help
Every time I've seen Joe Joyce hit a man, they fell
(*Ding, ding, ding*)
(Wow!)
Knock another man to the canvas (down!)
A Joe Joyce hook? That's a madness (wow!)
Now your eye and your cheekbone fractured (woah!)
Them man ain't boxers, they actors

They don't want a war
They don't want a war with
Big Juggernaut
Big Juggernaut
(Ay!)
They don't want a war
They don't want a war with
Big Juggernaut
Big Juggernaut
(Ay!)
They don't want a war
They don't want a war with
Big Juggernaut
Big Juggernaut
(Ay!)
They don't want a war
They don't want a war with
Big Juggernaut
Big Juggernaut

Big Joe Joyce in the house!

[skanksta]

Joyce runs everyone over until suddenly he doesn't and is surprisingly easy meat.

Fury and AJ beat him fairly easy, Whyte I'm not sure, Usyk gets run over probably. - could easily be wrong about that.
Honourable mention to Hughie who would make him miss all night and "shades of Ali" and whatnot but lose a decision because you have to hurt people on boxing.

Everyone else gets stopped late while ahead on points !

[gregregegg]

The Yoka fight would be good to see but it's not really doing him any favors.

Other than cash and revenge. too pretty good motivators. He is Mando now, no fights are doing him favors, but id rather him make fights that are interesting than wait around.