silkov wrote:
What are you going on about?... you said from the start that Ray didnt have a great chin and that he'd been down at least 20 times... why don't you tell me all the times that he was down that haven't been listed by Boxrec??...
Get your facts straight, and I'll set out to correct mine. I never said Robinson didn't have a great chin. I just said he didn't have a great chin in the same calibre as others such as McCall, Hagler, Chuvalo and LaMotta.
Look at this:
"I can't be bothered to look again, but I'd guess Robinson has twenty documented accounts of being floored."
That's my writing. I didn't say Robinson was floored 'at least' twenty times, it was an estimate. I was wrong, I admitted it, and I apologized. I was confusing occasions where Robinson was hurt or staggered and added them to the tally, though it must be known that it's been about three weeks since I was last on Robinson's record.
Don't try and alter my words to make me sound bad, Silkov. Now I'll ask you again - can you tell me who these huge hitters are, who Robinson faced?
Tell me the other 13 times he was down and I'll do a list for you of all the big punchers he faced... after all you were the one saying that he was down 'at least 20 times' your words, ....why don't you back up this with some evidence??......
Did you just completely ignore my last post, or have you trouble comprehending it?
I made a mistake, I was wrong. I admitted it, and even apologized (and I never said 'at least' - Jeez, read the damn post!). Now, tell me who these dynamite punchers were. If you skirt around this again, I'll take it you don't know what you're talking about.
DoubleM wrote:
Get your facts straight, and I'll set out to correct mine. I never said Robinson didn't have a great chin. I just said he didn't have a great chin in the same calibre as others such as McCall, Hagler, Chuvalo and LaMotta.
Look at this:
"I can't be bothered to look again, but I'd guess Robinson has twenty documented accounts of being floored."
That's my writing. I didn't say Robinson was floored 'at least' twenty times, it was an estimate. I was wrong, I admitted it, and I apologized. I was confusing occasions where Robinson was hurt or staggered and added them to the tally, though it must be known that it's been about three weeks since I was last on Robinson's record.
Don't try and alter my words to make me sound bad, Silkov. Now I'll ask you again - can you tell me who these huge hitters are, who Robinson faced?
Tell me the other 13 times he was down and I'll do a list for you of all the big punchers he faced... after all you were the one saying that he was down 'at least 20 times' your words, ....why don't you back up this with some evidence??......
Did you just completely ignore my last post, or have you trouble comprehending it?
I made a mistake, I was wrong. I admitted it, and even apologized (and I never said 'at least' - Jeez, read the damn post!). Now, tell me who these dynamite punchers were. If you skirt around this again, I'll take it you don't know what you're talking about.
Find out for yourself mate, if you need me to tell you that fighters like Basilo, Turpin, Lamotta, Fullmer, Jones, Levine, Graziano... to name just a few, were better all round fighters and punchers than the likes of Obel, Roldan, Sibson etc... then you haven't been keeping up your research regarding Ray.... Haglers opposition was good but Robinsons at Middle and Welter was even better and he was around for longer...... the hardest punchers Hgaler fought weren't even true Middleweights!...
silkov wrote:
Tell me the other 13 times he was down and I'll do a list for you of all the big punchers he faced... after all you were the one saying that he was down 'at least 20 times' your words, ....why don't you back up this with some evidence??......
Did you just completely ignore my last post, or have you trouble comprehending it?
I made a mistake, I was wrong. I admitted it, and even apologized (and I never said 'at least' - Jeez, read the damn post!). Now, tell me who these dynamite punchers were. If you skirt around this again, I'll take it you don't know what you're talking about.
Find out for yourself mate, if you need me to tell you that fighters like Basilo, Turpin, Lamotta, Fullmer, Jones, Levine, Graziano... to name just a few, were better all round fighters and punchers than the likes of Obel, Roldan, Sibson etc... then you haven't been keeping up your research regarding Ray.... Haglers opposition was good but Robinsons at Middle and Welter was even better and he was around for longer...... the hardest punchers Hgaler fought weren't even true Middleweights!...
Fullmer, LaMotta and Basilio were great fighters, but great punchers? Never. Hearns, Mugabi and Hart hit far harder I can assure you. The likes of Cabrera, Roldan and Obelmejias did too. Just because I say one fighter hits harder than another, you don't have to get all offended, it doesn't mean Obelmejias was better than LaMotta. There is probably some #200 ranked heavyweight today who hits harder than Shavers, Liston and Foreman ever did, but it doesn't mean to say he's a better fighter.
i defitnley agree with you hagler beat the bigger punchers than robinson did.
btw, did u check up on florentino fernandez? the man was literally a a 1950s version of eugene hart. fernandez hit like a truck! the only real first hand account i can give you is iron chinned joe denucci was knocked out COLD by fernandez(my dad saw the fight live), only time denucci ever out. i talked to denucci about it and he told me he was weight drained but that fernandez was the hardest hitting middleweight hed ever seen.
- something that may impressive u even more, fernandez knocked out undefeated great light-H jose torres.
DoubleM wrote:
Did you just completely ignore my last post, or have you trouble comprehending it?
I made a mistake, I was wrong. I admitted it, and even apologized (and I never said 'at least' - Jeez, read the damn post!). Now, tell me who these dynamite punchers were. If you skirt around this again, I'll take it you don't know what you're talking about.
Find out for yourself mate, if you need me to tell you that fighters like Basilo, Turpin, Lamotta, Fullmer, Jones, Levine, Graziano... to name just a few, were better all round fighters and punchers than the likes of Obel, Roldan, Sibson etc... then you haven't been keeping up your research regarding Ray.... Haglers opposition was good but Robinsons at Middle and Welter was even better and he was around for longer...... the hardest punchers Hgaler fought weren't even true Middleweights!...
Fullmer, LaMotta and Basilio were great fighters, but great punchers? Never. Hearns, Mugabi and Hart hit far harder I can assure you. The likes of Cabrera, Roldan and Obelmejias did too. Just because I say one fighter hits harder than another, you don't have to get all offended, it doesn't mean Obelmejias was better than LaMotta. There is probably some #200 ranked heavyweight today who hits harder than Shavers, Liston and Foreman ever did, but it doesn't mean to say he's a better fighter.
Who's getting offended?... do you think you can compare Obel with Lamotta?... Obel got his heavy hitting rep against very poor opposition while Lamotta was a true world class puncher... you just can't compare them.....
My great Uncle is Vic McLaughlin. He fought Jim Braddock on August 10, 1927. I have been trying to get photos of that match or any match for that matter involving my Uncle Vic. Does anyone have any ideas on how I could obtain some of these photos? Much appreciation.
My great Uncle is Vic McLaughlin. He fought Jim Braddock on August 10, 1927. I have been trying to get photos of that match or any match for that matter involving my Uncle Vic. Does anyone have any ideas on how I could obtain some of these photos? Much appreciation.
Jay McLaughlin
508-243-5149
Welcome, have you tried searching online for old newspaper articles in the area he boxed? Lots of online resources available, some may charge or look at microfiche records if the local libraries have them.
