Fury and Wilder plan to avoid Joshua forever

[555678]

It's very possible Fury and Wilder, Arum and Haymon have conspired to create a secret business alliance, with the scheme to join forces and create a WWF rivalry and generate the big money - thus freezing out AJ and Hearn out of the American market.

Both Fury and Wilder have ducked massive career high paydays vs AJ, in order to fight much smaller money fights. Which indicates a long term plan in effect. Fury and Wilder believe their at least five planned fight rivalry can eventually start to generate huge AJ type profits. In America. Meanwhile they freeze out AJ (like Haymon has frozen out Crawford) from America and leave him in UK to fight Usyk, Whyte, Hrgovic, etc.

It will be like two different heavyweight leagues which never interject.

Fury is a head case, for some reason he ducked AJ. When judge Weinstein forced the third fight with Wilder, Arum and Fury made no attempt to pay off Wilder or try to convince Wilder, "Hey I will beat AJ and bring back all the titles and put you on the undercard for a big payday and then you and me can have out third fight for huge money." Arum and Fury did not even try that, they said Ok we will fight Wilder. Clearly, Fury ducked AJ but it was a well disguised duck.

AJ is clearly the best, despite the bizarre, some say fixed, loss to Ruiz, which was pre-planned to set up the massive profit rematch, for DAZN investors. Like Ali-Spinks, Chavez-Randall, etc. Sometimes superstar fighters need to throw a fight to set up a giant rematch. This old trick can happen when the promoter needs a big money fight. Hearn knew Wilder and Fury were going to keep ducking AJ, while pretending to want the fight, so they called on Andy Ruiz and his Mexican demographic. The AJ vs Ruiz rematch did startling numbers so the plan worked, even though Haymon tried to escape the automatic rematch clause - Haymon knew the first fight was a dive by AJ and he had little confidence Ruiz could win the rematch. Ruiz had no confidence either and showed up looking like a blimp.

So back to Fury and Wilder ducking AJ. The American market is huge and if Fury and Wilder can conspire to do a series of more fake rematches, they could conceivably turn their rivalry into a huge money maker.At least that is what they hope. But the signs are it won't happen. They had to cancel the August date because of very poor ticket sales and lack of interest. Now they will try again in October. But if that fails also, it will be proven Wilder and Fury cannot generate sufficient profits and both will have to be sacrificed to AJ.

[DrDuke]

New breed of parody accounts? Or a fake page of some oldie?

Thoughts?

[margaret thatcher]

so you're saying theyre gay lovers?

[Enlightened-One]

The guy who posted this thread is a troll that knows nothing about boxing.

He’s on a fishing expedition waiting for someone to take the bait.

[adislav123]

Let's just ignore that nonsensical sermon of pure bullshit.

I'll just pretend i never skip read thru that crap.

[555678]

If AJ is so fragile and overrated, why did Wilder duck him for $120m to fight breazeale for peanuts? Why did fury pretend for a year to want the fight and then as soon as judge weinstein says go fight wilder he runs away from AJ and agrees to fight wilder for a fraction of the AJ payday.

fury and wilder are clearly and obviously ducking AJ. and there has to be a logical explanation. this is it. They want to ice out AJ and join forces and make the money in American without AJ hoping he losses to Usyk and then they can media manipulate a campaign to say AJ was always just a bum.

[adislav123]

Man, you are cock on! That's defo wilder & fury's masterplan!

Freeze out aj, wait that he looses to usyk then both start a huuge media campaign telling all outlets that aj is a bum, always was!

Genius man!

[555678]

People don't realize Floyd intended to duck Pacquiao forever. Piggyback off his name and pretend to do the fight later later later. Floyd ducked it for six years with a litany of excuses and duck moves, until finally the head of CBS Showtime Les Moonves had enough of the BS Moonves was tired of paying Floyd the $150m gauranteed contract and not getting maximum return with the fraud sparring sessions Ortiz Maidana Guerrero etc. So Moonves forced Floyd and Haymon to do the fight. The chance meeting at the heat game scared Floyd and he had to pretend his way out of that one. Moonves finally figured out Floyd was the duck and forced it. Of course Haymon rigged the judges to rig the cards. Floyd knew he didn't have to do anything special but last 12 and the decision would be his. Like Holy vs Lewis 1 in MSG. Pac tried to make a fight but with a bad shoulder he couldn't catch the runner. So Arum and Haymon are conspiring to do the same thing to freeze out AJ while pretending it will happen later later later. But it never will because there is no Les Moonves or a huge guaranteed contract boss to deal with. Fury and Wilder are hoping AJ loses and then they will write him off as a bum. I'm 100 percent sure this theory is the secret truth. Wilder been ducking AJ since 2018. Fury ducking him bad now too, as he exposed himself this year.

The key to the ponzi scam is to keep pretending Yeah we want AJ and then keep finding reasons to kill the fight from being signed.

[tiny_acres]

I swear the trolls aren't even original anymore.
Same old boring crap

[oogiebe]

I swear the trolls aren't even original anymore.
Same old boring crap

A while back we guys like Kalin who was fascinating to read. Crazy posts after post. These guys post complete non-content.

[candyslim]

So if your theory is correct we can expect Wilder to win? If he doesn't win that blows your theory out the water straight away.

Maybe by Wilder v Fury VIII we'll all be onboard and we won't be quite so dismissive of the man with the imaginative user name.

[Thomastearns]

Fascinating argument. It only sounds a little outlandish because it calls into question Anthony Joshua's boxing integrity - we already know all about Wilder and especially the regularly tested super clean never cheated never lied Fury.

On the surface the argument makes good sense, given all we know about the business of boxing, but there is a giant flaw.

Namely, what if Andy Ruiz hadn't got up from that crashing knockdown he suffered in the first fight?

The rest of it sounds plausible enough.

Fury v Wilder 3, 4, 5 etc is the best way these gentlemen and their backers can continue to endlessly extract money from those who are willing to pay to watch such 'sport'.

[Bandog]

It's very possible Fury and Wilder, Arum and Haymon have conspired to create a secret business alliance, with the scheme to join forces and create a WWF rivalry and generate the big money - thus freezing out AJ and Hearn out of the American market.

Both Fury and Wilder have ducked massive career high paydays vs AJ, in order to fight much smaller money fights. Which indicates a long term plan in effect. Fury and Wilder believe their at least five planned fight rivalry can eventually start to generate huge AJ type profits. In America. Meanwhile they freeze out AJ (like Haymon has frozen out Crawford) from America and leave him in UK to fight Usyk, Whyte, Hrgovic, etc.

It will be like two different heavyweight leagues which never interject.

Fury is a head case, for some reason he ducked AJ. When judge Weinstein forced the third fight with Wilder, Arum and Fury made no attempt to pay off Wilder or try to convince Wilder, "Hey I will beat AJ and bring back all the titles and put you on the undercard for a big payday and then you and me can have out third fight for huge money." Arum and Fury did not even try that, they said Ok we will fight Wilder. Clearly, Fury ducked AJ but it was a well disguised duck.

AJ is clearly the best, despite the bizarre, some say fixed, loss to Ruiz, which was pre-planned to set up the massive profit rematch, for DAZN investors. Like Ali-Spinks, Chavez-Randall, etc. Sometimes superstar fighters need to throw a fight to set up a giant rematch. This old trick can happen when the promoter needs a big money fight. Hearn knew Wilder and Fury were going to keep ducking AJ, while pretending to want the fight, so they called on Andy Ruiz and his Mexican demographic. The AJ vs Ruiz rematch did startling numbers so the plan worked, even though Haymon tried to escape the automatic rematch clause - Haymon knew the first fight was a dive by AJ and he had little confidence Ruiz could win the rematch. Ruiz had no confidence either and showed up looking like a blimp.

So back to Fury and Wilder ducking AJ. The American market is huge and if Fury and Wilder can conspire to do a series of more fake rematches, they could conceivably turn their rivalry into a huge money maker.At least that is what they hope. But the signs are it won't happen. They had to cancel the August date because of very poor ticket sales and lack of interest. Now they will try again in October. But if that fails also, it will be proven Wilder and Fury cannot generate sufficient profits and both will have to be sacrificed to AJ.

Didn't Joshua get KTFO by the fat guy that just struggled with Arreola?

[555678]

Fascinating argument. It only sounds a little outlandish because it calls into question Anthony Joshua's boxing integrity - we already know all about Wilder and especially the regularly tested super clean never cheated never lied Fury.

On the surface the argument makes good sense, given all we know about the business of boxing, but there is a giant flaw.

Namely, what if Andy Ruiz hadn't got up from that crashing knockdown he suffered in the first fight?

The rest of it sounds plausible enough.

Fury v Wilder 3, 4, 5 etc is the best way these gentlemen and their backers can continue to endlessly extract money from those who are willing to pay to watch such 'sport'.

Good point. The guess is Ruiz knockdown was a dive.

Not unlike the two Fury knockdowns in the first wilder fight. Remember one was right after Fury seemed to message wilder by tapping his own chin. Very possible haymon and wilder bought that fake draw from Fury, who at the time needed a big payday and he did not have Arum then.

[555678]

It's very possible Fury and Wilder, Arum and Haymon have conspired to create a secret business alliance, with the scheme to join forces and create a WWF rivalry and generate the big money - thus freezing out AJ and Hearn out of the American market.

Both Fury and Wilder have ducked massive career high paydays vs AJ, in order to fight much smaller money fights. Which indicates a long term plan in effect. Fury and Wilder believe their at least five planned fight rivalry can eventually start to generate huge AJ type profits. In America. Meanwhile they freeze out AJ (like Haymon has frozen out Crawford) from America and leave him in UK to fight Usyk, Whyte, Hrgovic, etc.

It will be like two different heavyweight leagues which never interject.

Fury is a head case, for some reason he ducked AJ. When judge Weinstein forced the third fight with Wilder, Arum and Fury made no attempt to pay off Wilder or try to convince Wilder, "Hey I will beat AJ and bring back all the titles and put you on the undercard for a big payday and then you and me can have out third fight for huge money." Arum and Fury did not even try that, they said Ok we will fight Wilder. Clearly, Fury ducked AJ but it was a well disguised duck.

AJ is clearly the best, despite the bizarre, some say fixed, loss to Ruiz, which was pre-planned to set up the massive profit rematch, for DAZN investors. Like Ali-Spinks, Chavez-Randall, etc. Sometimes superstar fighters need to throw a fight to set up a giant rematch. This old trick can happen when the promoter needs a big money fight. Hearn knew Wilder and Fury were going to keep ducking AJ, while pretending to want the fight, so they called on Andy Ruiz and his Mexican demographic. The AJ vs Ruiz rematch did startling numbers so the plan worked, even though Haymon tried to escape the automatic rematch clause - Haymon knew the first fight was a dive by AJ and he had little confidence Ruiz could win the rematch. Ruiz had no confidence either and showed up looking like a blimp.

So back to Fury and Wilder ducking AJ. The American market is huge and if Fury and Wilder can conspire to do a series of more fake rematches, they could conceivably turn their rivalry into a huge money maker.At least that is what they hope. But the signs are it won't happen. They had to cancel the August date because of very poor ticket sales and lack of interest. Now they will try again in October. But if that fails also, it will be proven Wilder and Fury cannot generate sufficient profits and both will have to be sacrificed to AJ.

Didn't Joshua get KTFO by the fat guy that just struggled with Arreola?

iz

You didn't see the photo of Ruiz and AJ smiling together in the ring after the first fight? It looked very similar to Ortiz and Floyd smiling in the ring together after that pbvious fixed dive.

[candyslim]

I don't believe for one second that Joshua took a dive. Sure he lost to a fighter he probably shouldn't have, sh1t happens. You gonna tell me Louis wasn't all that because he got beat by Schmeling?

How about Muhammad Ali and Leon Spinks? It happened twice to Lewis and three times to Wlad.

[KiwiRider]

"at least five planned fight rivalry"


classic.

[Bandog]

It's very possible Fury and Wilder, Arum and Haymon have conspired to create a secret business alliance, with the scheme to join forces and create a WWF rivalry and generate the big money - thus freezing out AJ and Hearn out of the American market.

Both Fury and Wilder have ducked massive career high paydays vs AJ, in order to fight much smaller money fights. Which indicates a long term plan in effect. Fury and Wilder believe their at least five planned fight rivalry can eventually start to generate huge AJ type profits. In America. Meanwhile they freeze out AJ (like Haymon has frozen out Crawford) from America and leave him in UK to fight Usyk, Whyte, Hrgovic, etc.

It will be like two different heavyweight leagues which never interject.

Fury is a head case, for some reason he ducked AJ. When judge Weinstein forced the third fight with Wilder, Arum and Fury made no attempt to pay off Wilder or try to convince Wilder, "Hey I will beat AJ and bring back all the titles and put you on the undercard for a big payday and then you and me can have out third fight for huge money." Arum and Fury did not even try that, they said Ok we will fight Wilder. Clearly, Fury ducked AJ but it was a well disguised duck.

AJ is clearly the best, despite the bizarre, some say fixed, loss to Ruiz, which was pre-planned to set up the massive profit rematch, for DAZN investors. Like Ali-Spinks, Chavez-Randall, etc. Sometimes superstar fighters need to throw a fight to set up a giant rematch. This old trick can happen when the promoter needs a big money fight. Hearn knew Wilder and Fury were going to keep ducking AJ, while pretending to want the fight, so they called on Andy Ruiz and his Mexican demographic. The AJ vs Ruiz rematch did startling numbers so the plan worked, even though Haymon tried to escape the automatic rematch clause - Haymon knew the first fight was a dive by AJ and he had little confidence Ruiz could win the rematch. Ruiz had no confidence either and showed up looking like a blimp.

So back to Fury and Wilder ducking AJ. The American market is huge and if Fury and Wilder can conspire to do a series of more fake rematches, they could conceivably turn their rivalry into a huge money maker.At least that is what they hope. But the signs are it won't happen. They had to cancel the August date because of very poor ticket sales and lack of interest. Now they will try again in October. But if that fails also, it will be proven Wilder and Fury cannot generate sufficient profits and both will have to be sacrificed to AJ.

Didn't Joshua get KTFO by the fat guy that just struggled with Arreola?

iz

You didn't see the photo of Ruiz and AJ smiling together in the ring after the first fight? It looked very similar to Ortiz and Floyd smiling in the ring together after that pbvious fixed dive.

I think Amir Khan taking a dive vs Canelo was bigger, or was it Manny's dive vs JMM?

[555678]

Khan did dive for cash cow canelo. paid handsomely too. Dovalev also dove for canelo. No, Pac didn't fix fights, he's the real deal. Though thurman may have been bonused to play soft (he needed the payday).

[555678]

I don't believe for one second that Joshua took a dive. Sure he lost to a fighter he probably shouldn't have, sh1t happens. You gonna tell me Louis wasn't all that because he got beat by Schmeling?

How about Muhammad Ali and Leon Spinks? It happened twice to Lewis and three times to Wlad.

Cmon, AJ looked so bad vs Ruiz. It had to be a set up. Dazn invested huge money in Hearn Matchroom. WIth wilder forever ducking AJ, Hearn needed a big money fight to satisfy Dazn. There are so few big money options at hwt. The best business move was to dive to Ruiz to set up a big money rematch, the rematch sold HUGE numbers and so everyone was satisfied. Haymon and ruiz knew AJ would win the rematch easily that's why they tried to break out of the rematch clause. Haymon wanted to match Fatso Ruiz with wilder and then he would have controlled all the belts. Haymon wanted Ruiz vs wilder because he knew AJ dove and he had no confidence in Ruiz to beat AJ again.

[555678]

I don't believe for one second that Joshua took a dive. Sure he lost to a fighter he probably shouldn't have, sh1t happens. You gonna tell me Louis wasn't all that because he got beat by Schmeling?

How about Muhammad Ali and Leon Spinks? It happened twice to Lewis and three times to Wlad.

Ali vs Spinks has to be suspect. Ali was out of opponents, his act was becoming old. It was the classic young vs old, legend vs rags to riches street kid. The fights were good. They managed to squeeze two good network tv paydays out of a 36 year old Ali.

Lewis was complacent vs McCall and Rahman, but he corrected the error in the rematches. Rahman tried to break the rematch clause and don King even set up a first defense in China vs Izonritei I believe. King had no confidence Rock could beat Lewis a second time. But the judge forced the rematch and Lewis avenged Rock big time.

King also doubted McCall to beat Lewis a second time and kept him in house vs Holmes and then Bruno. I believe King rigged McCall vs Bruno to set up a patsy for Tyson (McCall was too tough for Tyson back then, plus King needed to save McCall for the inevitable Lewis rematch which the court ordered eventually for the vacated WBC title, vacated because King knew Tyson could not beat Lewis).

[candyslim]

You Sir, have a very powerful imagination. Not necessarily a bad thing I'm not saying that. In a way it's good that you hold up the conventional wisdom and subject it to scrutiny.

I can actually see the logic of reinvigorating interest by having a dominant fighter suddenly looking vulnerable or even losing, but I don't accept that Joshua would be party to such shenanigans, he's too straight and I'm damn sure Ali's ego wouldn't accede to him losing a fight he should win.

In Ali's case it's simply that. as good as he was, pressure fighters like Frazier, Norton, Spinks always gave him a lot more trouble than they gave to some of those beaten by the great man.

[555678]

They all follow what the dollar tells them to do. AJ and Hearn needed a big money fight and a Ruiz rematch was the remedy to their problems and needs to satsify their Dazn backers.

Even Hagler, who detested Leonard, eventually took the fight on Ray's terms and played soft. He knew the only way Ray would give him the huge payda was to lose the fight. Golovkin went through the same thing with Canelo. If you want the payday you have to dance to my tune. Floyd and Haymon did this for a deade with the guaranteed HBO and SHowtime money. Did you know HBO dumped Floyd when they realized he was never going to fight Pacquiao? Showtime picked him up (Espinoza) but then Les Moonves had to step in and FORCE floyd and haymon to fight Pac.

There is a lot more to Boxing beneath the surface, trust me )

How we suddenly have team Fury moaning about canceling Wilder in October because of his daugher's health. Like I said, Fury and wilder have a business alliance to conspire together to duck AJ and freeze him out of the US market, which they together hope to control. Their problem is neither makes money on their own. But they hope that could change if AJ loses. And I mean loses for real this time, not a dive like Ruiz.

[IRONFIST]

Cobblers, it's Joshua who was ducking both Wilder and Fury. When Usyk beats Joshua there'll of course be another rematch clause fight.

[Thomastearns]

They all follow what the dollar tells them to do. AJ and Hearn needed a big money fight and a Ruiz rematch was the remedy to their problems and needs to satsify their Dazn backers.

Even Hagler, who detested Leonard, eventually took the fight on Ray's terms and played soft. He knew the only way Ray would give him the huge payda was to lose the fight. Golovkin went through the same thing with Canelo. If you want the payday you have to dance to my tune. Floyd and Haymon did this for a deade with the guaranteed HBO and SHowtime money. Did you know HBO dumped Floyd when they realized he was never going to fight Pacquiao? Showtime picked him up (Espinoza) but then Les Moonves had to step in and FORCE floyd and haymon to fight Pac.

There is a lot more to Boxing beneath the surface, trust me )

How we suddenly have team Fury moaning about canceling Wilder in October because of his daugher's health. Like I said, Fury and wilder have a business alliance to conspire together to duck AJ and freeze him out of the US market, which they together hope to control. Their problem is neither makes money on their own. But they hope that could change if AJ loses. And I mean loses for real this time, not a dive like Ruiz.

Championship boxing is certainly a business driven pantomime at times.

What you're suggesting goes much further.

You might be right or you might be wrong.

There's always the question of who's the A Side boxwr in any matchup but I certainly do not believe Marvin Hagler 'threw' his fight against Leonard.

Leonard was the A Side and Leonard got the nod, but Marvin did not throw that fight by playing soft. It would be disappointing to find out that he did.

I'm sure there is a lot more under the surface on boxing, but If you have any evidence then perhaps you could share it here.

Boxing fans should seriously consider whether they wish to continue paying for this moneymaking charade, but there's still plenty of genuine boxers out there.

Aren't there?