Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. John Riel Casimero - August 14, 2021

Who wins?

Poll ended at 14 Aug 2021, 19:30

Rigondeaux - Decision
15
45%
Rigondeaux - T/KO
5
15%
DRAW
1
3%
Casimero - T/KO
9
27%
Casimero - Decision
3
9%
 
Total votes: 33

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Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. John Riel Casimero - August 14, 2021

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chucktaylor wrote: 15 Aug 2021, 00:44 I had it 115-113 Rigo, but no one could cry robbery tonight either way.
I think he was overconfident there, like he loves his style so much he didn't feel like he had to do more. He seemed so pleased when he made Casimero miss big and get frustrated. 10% more offense would have won him the rounds. Casimero won by advancing forward.
Rigo proved to be in great shape at 40, but will have trouble getting opponents after that performance.
im thankful the 2 judges didnt score it like you chuck and reward rigo for that performance. as a fan, i actually want judges to penalize fighters who are THAT negative.

its the most negative ive ever seen any championship level fighter. even wlad threw more vs fury

rigo clearly the more skillful guy in there, but by virtue of his abysmal workrate i thought casimero landed more shots and defo deserved it. he was hardly great himself but he tried more to make a fight out of it
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Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. John Riel Casimero - August 14, 2021

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btw, ppl often say. about slick boxers whose boxer has been criticized 'so and so must have power, look how the other guys just dont bumrush and unload on him"

but its not about power, as it is about making a guy miss and preventing him from setting his feet. rigo tonight hardly landed anything and still you saw his opponent's output drop huge
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Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. John Riel Casimero - August 14, 2021

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margaret thatcher wrote: 15 Aug 2021, 00:53 btw, ppl often say. about slick boxers whose boxer has been criticized 'so and so must have power, look how the other guys just dont bumrush and unload on him"

but its not about power, as it is about making a guy miss and preventing him from setting his feet. rigo tonight hardly landed anything and still you saw his opponent's output drop huge
Yes but this was more than just being awkward, this was borderline running at times. When I was still watching he did 2 full laps, then back the other way for a lap and a half then back for another full lap. No punch thrown..
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Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. John Riel Casimero - August 14, 2021

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gregregegg wrote: 15 Aug 2021, 00:56
margaret thatcher wrote: 15 Aug 2021, 00:53 btw, ppl often say. about slick boxers whose boxer has been criticized 'so and so must have power, look how the other guys just dont bumrush and unload on him"

but its not about power, as it is about making a guy miss and preventing him from setting his feet. rigo tonight hardly landed anything and still you saw his opponent's output drop huge
Yes but this was more than just being awkward, this was borderline running at times. When I was still watching he did 2 full laps, then back the other way for a lap and a half then back for another full lap. No punch thrown..
What did cas do? Not blaming him, you just should never expect rigo to throw unless forced.
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Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. John Riel Casimero - August 14, 2021

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Onetimeonly wrote: 15 Aug 2021, 01:20
gregregegg wrote: 15 Aug 2021, 00:56
margaret thatcher wrote: 15 Aug 2021, 00:53 btw, ppl often say. about slick boxers whose boxer has been criticized 'so and so must have power, look how the other guys just dont bumrush and unload on him"

but its not about power, as it is about making a guy miss and preventing him from setting his feet. rigo tonight hardly landed anything and still you saw his opponent's output drop huge
Yes but this was more than just being awkward, this was borderline running at times. When I was still watching he did 2 full laps, then back the other way for a lap and a half then back for another full lap. No punch thrown..
What did cas do? Not blaming him, you just should never expect rigo to throw unless forced.
cas followed a bit, tried to cut off sometimes, wisely didn’t just run strait into a big left.

I get not throwing when you don’t have to if your winning. But not throwing when you “don’t have to” when your losing dosent really make sense. I’d say when not throwing results In losing you kinda have to throw.

Rigo never throws much so you should end expect high volume, but this is the only time he has done it despite being down, and resulting in a loss. And I belive it’s the least he has ever thrown per round.
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Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. John Riel Casimero - August 14, 2021

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gregregegg wrote: 15 Aug 2021, 01:27
Onetimeonly wrote: 15 Aug 2021, 01:20
gregregegg wrote: 15 Aug 2021, 00:56

Yes but this was more than just being awkward, this was borderline running at times. When I was still watching he did 2 full laps, then back the other way for a lap and a half then back for another full lap. No punch thrown..
What did cas do? Not blaming him, you just should never expect rigo to throw unless forced.
cas followed a bit, tried to cut off sometimes, wisely didn’t just run strait into a big left.

I get not throwing when you don’t have to if your winning. But not throwing when you “don’t have to” when your losing dosent really make sense. I’d say when not throwing results In losing you kinda have to throw.

Rigo never throws much so you should end expect high volume, but this is the only time he has done it despite being down, and resulting in a loss. And I belive it’s the least he has ever thrown per round.
Heard, almost sounds really composed from cas. Sorry you had to endure it
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Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. John Riel Casimero - August 14, 2021

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Rigo refused to win, on principle. :KO:
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Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. John Riel Casimero - August 14, 2021

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Sh!tty fight because Rigondeaux was spoiling it, while Casimero was clueles. Probably Rigondeaux deserved a win a bit more, I had him up 117-115, while I simply scored 4 rounds 10-10 (should have been 0-0). Yet I'm glad, that sh!tgondeaux actually lost. It wasn't even boxing, because boxing is about to hit and not get hit, while sh!tgindeaux avoided any action. Casimero is also a loser, because he acted like he wanted a fight, but what did he do? He should have roughed it up, he didn't even try to. Just came forward with rare punches and Rigondeaux seemed a bit cleaner with his own rare punches.
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Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. John Riel Casimero - August 14, 2021

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gregregegg wrote: 15 Aug 2021, 00:39 No UFC on this week. Hope all the UFC fans tunned into Ortiz fight not this one... hard one for boxing fans to defend if they start talking shit...
UFC fans are more likely to have Showtime than DAZN.
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Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. John Riel Casimero - August 14, 2021

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Another pbc cracker of a card.
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IKSRTFO wrote: 15 Aug 2021, 10:47
gregregegg wrote: 15 Aug 2021, 00:39 No UFC on this week. Hope all the UFC fans tunned into Ortiz fight not this one... hard one for boxing fans to defend if they start talking shit...
UFC fans are more likely to have Showtime than DAZN.
Or they could have tuned in to ESPNZ
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gregregegg wrote: 15 Aug 2021, 00:39 No UFC on this week. Hope all the UFC fans tunned into Ortiz fight not this one... hard one for boxing fans to defend if they start talking shit...
I was thinking the same. Watching two 118 lbs guys in 12 rounds of boredom is not good to promote our sport :(
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Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. John Riel Casimero - August 14, 2021

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Rigo out outboxed Casimero and would’ve had won handily if he had the belt, but you’ve got to fight the champ and beat him to get the title.

Shades of Lyle vs Ali..

Glad Casimero kept the belt. I hope he gets to face Inoue. That will be a fight :box:

Still amazing to see Rigo move like that 40 years old.

And holy cow Nuke Warren absolutely jacked Damien Vasquez’s jaws. That is what you call an ass whooping.
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Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. John Riel Casimero - August 14, 2021

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Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: 15 Aug 2021, 11:04 Another pbc cracker of a card.
Well the first fight was great while it lasted. The second was an accident, and unfortunately was only 16 seconds.
It was remiss of PBC not to have a swing fight ready to go. Hopefully they will learn from this, but I doubt it.
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Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. John Riel Casimero - August 14, 2021

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Casimero did what he had to do. He was disciplined, not careless. People think he’s some crazy animal based on what he did to Tete and Micah. Pay attention. He lost to Jonas Sultan of all people lol

Rigo did not come to fight out of fear. And that’s it. He didn’t come to win. Yet purists will lick his Olympic sized nuts. Wasted everyone’s time. Maybe he was butt hurt about being replaced by Donaire initially. Who knows.
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RunFloydRun wrote: 15 Aug 2021, 22:15 Casimero did what he had to do. He was disciplined, not careless. People think he’s some crazy animal based on what he did to Tete and Micah. Pay attention. He lost to Jonas Sultan of all people lol

Rigo did not come to fight out of fear. And that’s it. He didn’t come to win. Yet purists will lick his Olympic sized nuts. Wasted everyone’s time. Maybe he was butt hurt about being replaced by Donaire initially. Who knows.
Casimero had to rough it up, he didn't do it.
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Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. John Riel Casimero - August 14, 2021

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he should've pressed more, but he was busy enough to win it and clearly was the more active of the two. rewarding that showing from rigo with a win wouldve been bad for boxing too

rigo holds the record now i believe for fewest punches ever landed over 12 rounds in a title fight, going by compubox
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Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. John Riel Casimero - August 14, 2021

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margaret thatcher wrote: 16 Aug 2021, 06:54 he should've pressed more, but he was busy enough to win it and clearly was the more active of the two. rewarding that showing from rigo with a win wouldve been bad for boxing too

rigo holds the record now i believe for fewest punches ever landed over 12 rounds in a title fight, going by compubox
https://bit.ly/2XAuwIt

This was the Donaire fight..

boxed the same, was more active though, well it was a while ago, but surprised to see Rig move like that.
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Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. John Riel Casimero - August 14, 2021

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Bad Left Hook Investigates: How far did Guillermo Rigondeaux go?
“I don’t think anyone thought he had it in him to move this much. [...] It’s staggering that he’s been able to move this much.” - Al Bernstein
No painting achieves greatness solely through the number of brushstrokes applied in its creation. But, part of what made Rembrandt and his fellow Dutch Masters worthy of their title was the depth, layering, and sheer effort of exertion necessary through their chosen media to create the brilliant works of art that defined them.

Last night, the boxing world witnessed a 40-year-old artist create a masterpiece in real time. His name is Guillermo Rigondeaux. His paintbrushes were his feet. And his canvas was… Well, the canvas material comprising the floor of the boxing ring, I suppose.

CompuBox tells us that Rigo and John Riel Casimero combined to land 91 punches, an all-time low in a 12 round fight.

But… Counting punches is the simplest, cheapest attempt at quantifying a fight. Any common hoodlum can throw punches. What makes a truly great boxer is FOOTWORK. And the only appropriate way to measure footwork is by counting steps.
“One thing’s for sure- Rigondeaux is well on his way to getting his 10,000 steps in from this championship match.” - Mauro Ranallo
So, how many steps did Guillermo Rigondeaux actually take in his 12 round escape act?

According to thorough analysis by our proprietary CompuWalk technology, Bad Left Hook clocked Rigo as having taken 5,818 steps between the opening and closing bells. That’s an average of just under 485 per round.

What do those numbers mean in terms of distance?

The manufacturers of a very popular fitness tracker estimate the average walking stride of a 5’5” tall man at 27 inches. Obviously, Rigo was not just casually strolling along in the ring. Some of his steps were long, loping strides, and others were little stutter steps. For ease of analysis, we’ll just use the 27 inch walking average as an estimate for each counted step. After all, applying science to art is, by necessity, an imprecise effort. Even the most meticulous of the Pointillists didn’t make all their dots exactly the same size.

Over the course of 12 rounds, Rigo traveled 2.48 miles, or just under 4 kilometers.

On average, if Rigo had taken his steps around the outside of the ropes instead of between them? He would have done more than 15 laps per round on a standard 18’ ring.

Rigo’s busiest round was the 8th, with 582 steps. His laziest? The 11th, at just 367 steps. But, that was just the maestro slowing the pace before a 12th round grand finale of nearly 540 steps.

John Riel Casimero started retching and dry heaving in his corner after suffering just two rounds of perambulatory punishment at the feet of Rigondeaux. But, the inimitable Rigo was just getting started. In the 10 rounds still to come, Rigondeaux would walk, jog, hop, shuffle, and run more than two additional miles.

If you’re the sort of casual fan that needs your stats defined in terms of punches? Rigo took over 132 steps per landed punch. That’s just under 91 meters of movement between each touch. Can you imagine Usain Bolt sprinting to the end of his signature race just to throw a single jab? Even The Proclaimers, the British twin-brother rock duo that famously declared they were both willing to walk as much as 1,000 miles just to collapse at your door, never mentioned anything about having the energy to throw a punch after arrival.

On the night of August 14th, Vergil Ortiz Jr. scored 5 knockdowns. Joshua Franco and Andrew Moloney threw over 1500 combined punches. And, perhaps those two fights provided some cheap, animalistic thrills for the Neanderthals and Philistines of the sports world.

But, the wisest and truest fans know who gave us the greatest demonstration of top-level boxing last night. It was Guillermo Rigondeaux. He created a masterpiece, and he took all of us along on a journey with him.

A two and a half mile journey.
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Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. John Riel Casimero - August 14, 2021

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Thank goodness TCraw wasn’t scoring the dance exhibition.

Rigo did NOT do enough. Casimero did NOT do much more, but according to Rigo’s own standards, JRC did enough.
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Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. John Riel Casimero - August 14, 2021

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margaret thatcher wrote: 16 Aug 2021, 06:54 he should've pressed more, but he was busy enough to win it and clearly was the more active of the two. rewarding that showing from rigo with a win wouldve been bad for boxing too

rigo holds the record now i believe for fewest punches ever landed over 12 rounds in a title fight, going by compubox
This fight is bad for boxing in any case.
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Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. John Riel Casimero - August 14, 2021

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I quit watching any Rigo fights after he quit vs Loma. That was pathetic.
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