Terence Crawford vs. Shawn Porter | ESPN PPV - November 20, 2021

[gregregegg]

I have a sneaking suspicion the Crawford-Porter bout won’t happen.

I hope I’m wrong.

I have a similar suspicion, but who will pull out? I don’t know if either can given the scenario. Definatly can’t pull out pre purse bids, gotta at least see what your saying yes or no to.

Unless craw drops the belt and goes to 154, cementing his legacy as the ultiment 147 bitch. Or if porter has a fight agreed with ugas or Spence/pac winner. (Would have to be getting oaiiid vs ugas for that to be a reason).

Wbo have almost forced them to fight with the deal they put fowards, and even then all I can think about is how someone will weezle out.

[Bandog]

I think it will happen. Crawford will be stripped otherwise. If he has a convincing win over Porter his barganing power for a fight with Spence goes way up.
If they don't fight, he may as well move up.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

I have a sneaking suspicion the Crawford-Porter bout won’t happen.

I hope I’m wrong.

Wbo is in top ranks pocket so im with you on your gut feeling

[Bandog]

I have a sneaking suspicion the Crawford-Porter bout won’t happen.

I hope I’m wrong.

Wbo is in top ranks pocket so im with you on your gut feeling

They'll have to convince Porter to give up his mandatory for it not to happen. They are supposed to be close friends, so possible.

[Enlightened-One]

“Insiders telling me the expectation is that Terence Crawford and ‘Showtime’ Shawn Porter winds up being won as a purse bid by Premier Boxing, the likely future home for Crawford because the fighters there (including Errol Spence Jr.) are more tantalizing,” said Lance Pugmire @PugBoxing.

Imagine a scenario whereby Crawford's contract with Top Rank expires immediately after the Porter fight (either because he wanted it to or due to Bob Arum offloading him), but Showtime Shawn somehow manages to score the upset?

Who will want to work with Terence Crawford in that situation? He'll be in boxing's wilderness.

He'll be 34 years of age without having scored a notable victory for 4½ years. His commercial worth will be significantly less, due to his loss.

And his salary expectations would likely be very unrealistic, because the sums Top Rank currently pay him far exceed the revenue he generates from gate receipts, PPV sales and viewing audience figures.

This is a really important crossroads fight for both men, especially Crawford (assuming it does happen).

If Crawford beats Shawn Porter and joins the PBC, well finally get to see him prove his pound-for-pound talent by constantly engaging in back-to-back bouts against the very best the welterweight division has to offer. That's an exciting prospect!

But if he loses, he'll become a member of the "who needs you?" club?

[Ruthless-RKO]

Imagine a scenario whereby Crawford's contract with Top Rank expires immediately after the Porter fight (either because he wanted it to or due to Bob Arum offloading him), but Showtime Shawn somehow manages to score the upset?

Who will want to work with Terence Crawford in that situation? He'll be in boxing's wilderness.

He'll be 34 years of age without having scored a notable victory for 4½ years. His commercial worth will be significantly less, due to his loss.

And his salary expectations would likely be very unrealistic, because the sums Top Rank currently pay him far exceed the revenue he generates from gate receipts, PPV sales and viewing audience figures.

That my friend is where DAZN come in..

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

If he lost to porter its best case scenario. Hed have nobtrouble getting fights ever again

[Enlightened-One]

@Jeff_lacy_ko & @Ruthless-RKO - You guys could very well be right.

But if Crawford loses to Porter (unlikely, but possible) and becomes a free agent, then what can DAZN offer him?

All the meaningful titles at 135lbs and 140lbs are controlled by Top Rank/ESPN.

All the meaningful titles at 147lbs and 154lbs are controlled by the PBC/Showtime/Fox.

I’m not saying you guys are wrong, because Crawford signing with DAZN could very well be the best-case scenario for him.

But part of me thinks he’ll simply retire or perhaps do a farewell Kell Brook/Amir Khan type money-grab, by engaging in a losing marquee fight against one of the big-names at 160lbs (possibly GGG), before hanging up his gloves for good.

[ironbeard]

The fight will happen. Win, lose, or draw, both fighters will be fine.

TCraw will win.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Crawford could easily sign with PBC. Even if he loses his world title.

He can use them as advisors and appear on the cards.

They're all self-promoted aren't they?

I'd say Porter is already in the "who needs you?" club, but he gets plenty of fights.

[apollo creed]

How do y'all rate Porter as a measuring stick-fighter atm? Still in prime, slightly in prime, he's decreasing ? Ugas gave Porter a tough fight, Spence SD him and in his last fight Porter had a UD win vs a german fighter named Formella.

TC TKO'ed a washed up drained Brook, a washed up chiny Khan and he had a better opponent in the unknown Kavaliauskas who apparently dropped TC.

I hope this fight would get made and be a legit one.

[ironbeard]

Crawford could easily sign with PBC. Even if he loses his world title.

He can use them as advisors and appear on the cards.

They're all self-promoted aren't they?

I'd say Porter is already in the "who needs you?" club, but he gets plenty of fights.

True. “He gets plenty of fights” because he is ALWAYS competitive and he will fight anyone, anywhere, anytime (in spite of the fact that his style pisses so many people off).

[Enlightened-One]

“The promoters like to fight in-house because they get a 100% of the revenue, and a lot of promoters don’t want to share with another promoter if they don’t have to.

“I feel like the fighters have to basically demand these types of fights. Whether the promoter, adviser or manager feels it’s a great fight or likes it or not, the fighters got to want to fight the best,” Crawford said.

“Of course, it’s frustrating, but this is something I’ve been dealing with it for a long time,” said Crawford.

“So I kind of know how to deal with it and not let it get to me to where it distracts me from my training and what I’m trying to accomplish,” said Crawford in discussing his thoughts about his inability to get the big fights that he’s wanted his entire career.

“I just keep my head down and keep moving forward,” said Crawford.

This is the first time Crawford has admitted the fact that cross-promotional bouts are challenging to make, because he previously claimed it wasn’t an issue.

He's recently been using language during interviews suggesting the notion of him facing Shawn Porter is far from certain.

Excluding weekends, there’s only ten days remaining of the WBO’s negotiation deadline. The Crawford-Porter bout will then go to purse bids.

[Bandog]

Does anyone know why the WBO would order this fight when Porter isn't even the #1? Is it because Virgil Ortiz had a fight scheduled allready?

[Enlightened-One]

Does anyone know why the WBO would order this fight when Porter isn't even the #1? Is it because Virgil Ortiz had a fight scheduled allready?

Shawn Porter was the WBO’s highest-rated contender between August 2020 and March 2021.

Vergil Ortiz Jr. became the WBO’s number one contender in April after defeating Maurice Hooker. However, he’s currently committed to face Egidijus Kavaliauskas.

Terence Crawford hasn’t performed a mandatory defence of his WBO title for 34 months. So they had to mandate one at some point. And Shawn Porter is the highest-rated available contender.

[Bandog]

Anyone with a fully functioning brain know?

[Cent0089]

If this fight will happen, i will be happy

[IKSRTFO]

“Insiders telling me the expectation is that Terence Crawford and ‘Showtime’ Shawn Porter winds up being won as a purse bid by Premier Boxing, the likely future home for Crawford because the fighters there (including Errol Spence Jr.) are more tantalizing,” said Lance Pugmire @PugBoxing.

Imagine a scenario whereby Crawford's contract with Top Rank expires immediately after the Porter fight (either because he wanted it to or due to Bob Arum offloading him), but Showtime Shawn somehow manages to score the upset?

Who will want to work with Terence Crawford in that situation? He'll be in boxing's wilderness.

He'll be 34 years of age without having scored a notable victory for 4½ years. His commercial worth will be significantly less, due to his loss.

And his salary expectations would likely be very unrealistic, because the sums Top Rank currently pay him far exceed the revenue he generates from gate receipts, PPV sales and viewing audience figures.

This is a really important crossroads fight for both men, especially Crawford (assuming it does happen).

If Crawford beats Shawn Porter and joins the PBC, well finally get to see him prove his pound-for-pound talent by constantly engaging in back-to-back bouts against the very best the welterweight division has to offer. That's an exciting prospect!

But if he loses, he'll become a member of the "who needs you?" club?

Nonsense

He'll get more fights if he loses, sort of like Khan, more guys will want that scalping they know it's easier than thought. Beating Porter and certain guys may still duck him on PBC.

[Ruthless-RKO]

“Insiders telling me the expectation is that Terence Crawford and ‘Showtime’ Shawn Porter winds up being won as a purse bid by Premier Boxing, the likely future home for Crawford because the fighters there (including Errol Spence Jr.) are more tantalizing,” said Lance Pugmire @PugBoxing.

Imagine a scenario whereby Crawford's contract with Top Rank expires immediately after the Porter fight (either because he wanted it to or due to Bob Arum offloading him), but Showtime Shawn somehow manages to score the upset?

Who will want to work with Terence Crawford in that situation? He'll be in boxing's wilderness.

He'll be 34 years of age without having scored a notable victory for 4½ years. His commercial worth will be significantly less, due to his loss.

And his salary expectations would likely be very unrealistic, because the sums Top Rank currently pay him far exceed the revenue he generates from gate receipts, PPV sales and viewing audience figures.

This is a really important crossroads fight for both men, especially Crawford (assuming it does happen).

If Crawford beats Shawn Porter and joins the PBC, well finally get to see him prove his pound-for-pound talent by constantly engaging in back-to-back bouts against the very best the welterweight division has to offer. That's an exciting prospect!

But if he loses, he'll become a member of the "who needs you?" club?

Nonsense

He'll get more fights if he loses, sort of like Khan, more guys will want that scalping they know it's easier than thought. Beating Porter and certain guys may still duck him on PBC.

Yeh, look at how everyone started calling out GGG after he fought Derev. Not that he looked bad in the fight. When G had 3 belts and was asking for fights, no one wanted to see him, now he has only one belt, few years older, looks more vulnerable, and he’s getting called out.

[margaret thatcher]

getting with pbc is by far the best thing that could happen to craw

if this works out so that he fights porter next and signs with pbc, it's a fantastic development

[Enlightened-One]

“Insiders telling me the expectation is that Terence Crawford and ‘Showtime’ Shawn Porter winds up being won as a purse bid by Premier Boxing, the likely future home for Crawford because the fighters there (including Errol Spence Jr.) are more tantalizing,” said Lance Pugmire @PugBoxing.

Imagine a scenario whereby Crawford's contract with Top Rank expires immediately after the Porter fight (either because he wanted it to or due to Bob Arum offloading him), but Showtime Shawn somehow manages to score the upset?

Who will want to work with Terence Crawford in that situation? He'll be in boxing's wilderness.

He'll be 34 years of age without having scored a notable victory for 4½ years. His commercial worth will be significantly less, due to his loss.

And his salary expectations would likely be very unrealistic, because the sums Top Rank currently pay him far exceed the revenue he generates from gate receipts, PPV sales and viewing audience figures.

This is a really important crossroads fight for both men, especially Crawford (assuming it does happen).

If Crawford beats Shawn Porter and joins the PBC, well finally get to see him prove his pound-for-pound talent by constantly engaging in back-to-back bouts against the very best the welterweight division has to offer. That's an exciting prospect!

But if he loses, he'll become a member of the "who needs you?" club?

Nonsense

He'll get more fights if he loses, sort of like Khan, more guys will want that scalping they know it's easier than thought. Beating Porter and certain guys may still duck him on PBC.

Yeh, look at how everyone started calling out GGG after he fought Derev. Not that he looked bad in the fight. When G had 3 belts and was asking for fights, no one wanted to see him, now he has only one belt, few years older, looks more vulnerable, and he’s getting called out.

Crawford currently commands $4m purses with Top Rank, despite his unimpressive viewing figures. And this is because of the terms of his contractual minimum guarantee.

Crawford's contract with Top Rank expires around the same date as the proposed Porter fight. He'll become a free agent.

If he loses it, his commercial worth will suffer a massive decline. He'll be significantly less attractive to the likes of DAZN or the PBC.

His rivals will also be reluctant to engage in a high-risk low-reward bout against an aging opponent that doesn't own a title, won't attract impressive audience figures and also hasn't scored a notable victory in five years.

Fighters are calling out GGG, because he provides a big payday, he's commercially popular, he's beatable and he has never technically suffered a clear-cut decisive official loss.

So you're referring to two entirely different scenarios, because from a business perspective, Crawford is vastly inferior than GGG.

For the record, I'm not saying that Crawford definitely loses to Porter. Instead I'm merely discussing what will likely happen if he does lose it.

This is a crossroads make-or-break fight for Crawford.

[IKSRTFO]

Nonsense

He'll get more fights if he loses, sort of like Khan, more guys will want that scalping they know it's easier than thought. Beating Porter and certain guys may still duck him on PBC.

Yeh, look at how everyone started calling out GGG after he fought Derev. Not that he looked bad in the fight. When G had 3 belts and was asking for fights, no one wanted to see him, now he has only one belt, few years older, looks more vulnerable, and he’s getting called out.

Crawford currently commands $4m purses with Top Rank, despite his unimpressive viewing figures. And this is because of the terms of his contractual minimum guarantee.

Crawford's contract with Top Rank expires around the same date as the proposed Porter fight. He'll become a free agent.

If he loses it, his commercial worth will suffer a massive decline. He'll be significantly less attractive to the likes of DAZN or the PBC.

His rivals will also be reluctant to engage in a high-risk low-reward bout against an aging opponent that doesn't own a title, won't attract impressive audience figures and also hasn't scored a notable victory in five years.

Fighters are calling out GGG, because he provides a big payday, he's commercially popular, he's beatable and he has never technically suffered a clear-cut decisive official loss.

So you're referring to two entirely different scenarios, because from a business perspective, Crawford is vastly inferior than GGG.

For the record, I'm not saying that Crawford definitely loses to Porter. Instead I'm merely discussing what will likely happen if he does lose it.

This is a crossroads make-or-break fight for Crawford.

He'll lose commercial value for himself to make money, but more will want to fight him. Donaire had more guys wanting to fight him after he lost. Gamboa got bigger fights after he lost to Crawford because he's looked at as easy. It's not like Crawford is a Rigo spoiler type.

[Ruthless-RKO]

PBC, Top Rank Don't Expect To Reach Deal, WBO Purse Bid To Be Called

A purse bid apparently will be required if Terence Crawford and Shawn Porter are to meet next in what, at least on paper, would be Crawford’s toughest welterweight fight.

Boxing Scene has learned that infrequent discussions over the past 3½ weeks between representatives for Al Haymon’s Premier Boxing Champions (Porter) and Bob Arum’s Top Rank Inc. (Crawford) haven’t produced much movement toward an agreement required to avoid a purse bid for their welterweight title fight. Barring an unforeseen change, neither side anticipates striking a deal before Friday’s deadline established by the WBO.

If Crawford and Porter cannot come to an agreement by then, the WBO will order a purse bid. BS.com has been informed Top Rank and one of the promoters that operates on behalf of Haymon’s PBC would bid on what would be a pay-per-view bout between Crawford (37-0, 28 KOs), the WBO 147-pound champion, and Porter (31-3-1, 17 KOs), the WBO’s number two contender for Crawford’s championship.

Emerging knockout artist Vergil Ortiz Jr. (18-0, 18 KOs) is the WBO’s number one contender in the welterweight division, but the Puerto Rico-based sanctioning organization ordered Crawford-Porter on July 21. Handlers for the 33-year-old fighters were afforded a 30-day window within which they could willingly finalize a deal without needing a purse bid.

If PBC and Top Rank were to work together on Crawford-Porter, it’d require a joint pay-per-view venture between FOX Sports (Porter) and ESPN (Crawford) similar to the upcoming third heavyweight title bout between WBC champ Tyson Fury (ESPN) and Deontay Wilder (FOX).

If PBC were to win this probable purse bid, Crawford-Porter would headline a FOX Sports Pay-Per-View show. If Top Rank submitted the winning bid, Crawford-Porter would be the main event of an ESPN Pay-Per-View event.

In its announcement of the Crawford-Porter order, the WBO revealed that they must adhere to a 60-40 purse split, rather than the usual 80-20 split for mandated matches, based on an extensive evaluation of the three previous purses earned by both boxers.

Crawford would have to move forward according to the terms of the winning bid, or he would be stripped of the WBO belt he won by stopping Australia’s Jeff Horn in June 2018 in Las Vegas. The Omaha, Nebraska, native has one fight remaining on the contract extension that the three-division champion signed with Top Rank in the summer of 2018.

Porter, however, could walk away from the bid if he were persuaded by Haymon to accept another fight – perhaps a rematch with former WBA/WBC welterweight champ Keith Thurman. Their first fight, which Thurman narrowly won by unanimous decision in June 2016 at Barclays Center in Brooklyn, was one of the most fan-friendly fights of that year.

Crawford and Porter will end long layoffs whenever they return to the ring.

Crawford hasn’t boxed since he stopped England’s Kell Brook (39-3, 27 KOs) in the fourth round November 14 at MGM Grand Conference Center in Las Vegas. Porter, a former IBF and WBC champ from Akron, Ohio, last competed almost a year ago, when he out-boxed Germany’s Sebastian Formella (22-2, 10 KOs) en route to winning a 12-round unanimous decision last August 22 at Microsoft Theater in Los Angeles.

[margaret thatcher]

when is craw's top rank contract up?

[KiwiRider]

Far out, Crawford is 34. That's old for a WW.
The last 4 years could have been so much more for him.
An age related slide in reflexes and timing is just around the corner.. If it hasn't happened already.