who do you rate higher in atg list, floyd or manny ?

[ironbeard]

I notice you didn't comment on catchweights or similar weight-related stipulations, since they're often used by the A-side to minimise risk?

If I recall correctly, Pacquiao ensured there were weight-related contractual stipulations that either resulted in bigger men being forced to fight "small" or smaller men forced to fight "big":

• Antonio Margarito
• Miguel Cotto
• Juan Manuel Marquez
• Oscar De La Hoya
• Chris Algieri

I could probably list a few extra names, if I performed some research, but these are the ones I've recalled from memory.

So are you saying you apply a different set of moral rules and standards to Manny Pacquiao than you do to Canelo?

Here's what you recently wrote:


On a separate note, technically speaking (in terms of accolades), Floyd Mayweather Jr. accomplished more.

No, FMJ sucked Canelo down for THEIR championship fight. I considered that BS at the time, and called FMJ out for it.

But it was a business decision and Canelo signed the contract, which applies to ALL catchweight fights. I also said that in that thread if not that post.

Of course, I don’t care enough about this or any conversation I have in this forum to spend the time to research someone’s previous posts on previous threads and quote him/her/they/EO out of context.

That would be an EO characteristic.

Wait a second... why are you lying?

Canelo offered to go down to 150lbs to fight Floyd Mayweather Jr:

"It's what I want, the Mayweather fight. That's what we put on the table. I feel more mature and for that I am willing to go down to 150 pounds," said Canelo to Sal Rodriguez. "De la Hoya said he was going to pursue the Mayweather fight [for me]. We are ready for it. It's what people want, for me to fight someone like [Mayweather]."

The catchweight for the Canelo-Mayweather Jr. bout ended up being 152lbs. And it was the Mexican that stipulated that weight, because he wanted the fight. Canelo admitted this numerous times.

You previously complained about catchweights for title bouts. But you're not even willing to discuss Pacquiao's catchweight title bouts!

Put it this way, Manny Pacquiao has probably imposed more catchweight stipulations for his fights than Canelo and Mayweather combined.

So my question is this... why do you choose to give Manny Pacquiao a free pass for doing the same thing as other fighters you criticise?

If you want to apply double-standards, simply because Pacquiao is "your guy", then own it and say so - there's nothing wrong with being a fan.

Just don't pretend to be noble and impartial.

And by the way, if you feel I misquoted your words, explain what you actually meant.

YOU EXPLICITLY EXPRESSED YOUR DISLIKE OF CATCHWEIGHTS BEING USED FOR TITLE FIGHTS!!!

Do you honestly believe otherwise? Don't pretend you've been misquoted if I've accurately described your sentiments!!!

Silly EIEIO, smothering another thread.

All fighters who sign contracts for catchweights do so by choice and to close the deal on the fight.

I did not say you misquoted me. I said you quoted me out of context.

[oogiebe]

I wish there was a character limit on posts...

[Enlightened-One]

Silly EIEIO, smothering another thread.

All fighters who sign contracts for catchweights do so by choice and to close the deal on the fight.

I did not say you misquoted me. I said you quoted me out of context.

I quoted Canelo's words prior to the Mayweather fight. You even quoted them.

Canelo confirmed they offered the catchweight stipulation to Mayweather.

Why claim otherwise?

FMJ sucked Canelo down

Are you going to keep dishonestly pretending I've misquoted (or taken your words out of context) you again?

And why won't you comment on Pacquiao's catchweights, but you're willing to criticise other fighters?

[The Gratest]

I wish there was a character limit on posts...

Messing up threads again with repetitive quoting shyte.

[ironbeard]

Silly EIEIO, smothering another thread.

All fighters who sign contracts for catchweights do so by choice and to close the deal on the fight.

I did not say you misquoted me. I said you quoted me out of context.

I quoted Canelo's words prior to the Mayweather fight. You even quoted them.

Canelo confirmed they offered the catchweight stipulation to Mayweather.

Why claim otherwise?

FMJ sucked Canelo down

Are you going to keep dishonestly pretending I've misquoted (or taken your words out of context) you again?

And why won't you comment on Pacquiao's catchweights, but you're willing to criticise other fighters?

Did I stutter? I repeat, FMJ sucked Canelo down. He could/should have fought him at the weight class limit. He chose not to.

That is a fact.

Pac is higher on my ATG list. That does not reflect poorly on FMJ. He is also an ATG.

It is my opinion. Nothing in your walls of verbosity has changed my opinion. I do not expect that I have changed many opinions on this thread.

The conversation will go on and on and on. But I am done with it in this thread.

[oogiebe]

I wish there was a character limit on posts...

Messing up threads again with repetitive quoting shyte.

I can't imagine anyone reads the long winded BS.

[The Gratest]

I wish there was a character limit on posts...

Messing up threads again with repetitive quoting shyte.

I can't imagine anyone reads the long winded BS.

Except the originator. Probably prints a few off for some bed time reading and possibly a wee wank before sleeping.

[oogiebe]

Messing up threads again with repetitive quoting shyte.

I can't imagine anyone reads the long winded BS.

Except the originator. Probably prints a few off for some bed time reading and possibly a wee wank before sleeping.

[adislav123]

when they fought each other mayweather ran all night, was chased across the ring, outhrown & clearly outlanded by pacman despite rigged punch stats. pac got robbed as reward.

i'd rate pac a notch higher but it doesn't matter, both atgs in their own right.

[Bandog]

when they fought each other mayweather ran all night, was chased across the ring, outhrown & clearly outlanded by pacman despite rigged punch stats. pac got robbed as reward.

i'd rate pac a notch higher but it doesn't matter, both atgs in their own right.

let it go dude. he lost in everyone's eyes except Pac fans. He was in the ring 9 times not coming out with a victory.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Manny Pacquiao was the tax-dodging catchweight king who was rarely willing to undergo random unannounced blood based drug testing.

He was still a great fighter though, but nostalgia often compels people to perceive blissfully ignorant about historical reality.

Paying taxes matters in atg rankings. Thats why joe loius is really low on lists.

Beating wives is less of an offense though which is why i have srr number 1

[oogiebe]

Manny Pacquiao was the tax-dodging catchweight king who was rarely willing to undergo random unannounced blood based drug testing.

He was still a great fighter though, but nostalgia often compels people to perceive blissfully ignorant about historical reality.

Paying taxes matters in atg rankings. Thats why joe loius is really low on lists.

Beating wives is less of an offense though which is why i have srr number 1

[The Gratest]

Manny Pacquiao was the tax-dodging catchweight king who was rarely willing to undergo random unannounced blood based drug testing.

He was still a great fighter though, but nostalgia often compels people to perceive blissfully ignorant about historical reality.

Paying taxes matters in atg rankings. Thats why joe loius is really low on lists.

Beating wives is less of an offense though which is why i have srr number 1

Louis' tax dodging has that extra aura of nostalgia to it though, so he'd probably be above Pac.

[Counter-puncher]

Manny Pacquiao was the tax-dodging catchweight king who was rarely willing to undergo random unannounced blood based drug testing.

He was still a great fighter though, but nostalgia often compels people to perceive blissfully ignorant about historical reality.

Paying taxes matters in atg rankings. Thats why joe loius is really low on lists.

Beating wives is less of an offense though which is why i have srr number 1

[Ruthless-RKO]

Put it this way, Manny Pacquiao has probably imposed more catchweight stipulations for his fights than Canelo and Mayweather combined.

Which title fights?

[Bandog]

Put it this way, Manny Pacquiao has probably imposed more catchweight stipulations for his fights than Canelo and Mayweather combined.

Which title fights?

Playing dumb, I assume.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Put it this way, Manny Pacquiao has probably imposed more catchweight stipulations for his fights than Canelo and Mayweather combined.

Which title fights?

Playing dumb, I assume.

Genuinely asking.

I'll start.. Margarito, Cotto,

[Syntax Error]

At the moment, it is Mayweather.

The only way that might change is if Pac keeps fighting through his 40s & notches victories over the current greats like Crawford & Spence & even then, it might not be enough.

[SenorPipino]

Mayweather.
He went unbeaten in 50 fights. Pacquiao has lost 7 heading into tonight.
And, oh yes: in a head to head matchup Mayweather handcuffed and outboxed Pacquiao over 12 rounds.
Is it really a serious debate?
I can't imagine Marquez ever giving Mayweather hell in the ring and putting him to sleep with 1 punch. When they did fight, Marquez was barely able to land 1 punch on the super slick Mayweather.

[Cent0089]

Mayweather.
He went unbeaten in 50 fights. Pacquiao has lost 7 heading into tonight.
And, oh yes: in a head to head matchup Mayweather handcuffed and outboxed Pacquiao over 12 rounds.
Is it really a serious debate?
I can't imagine Marquez ever giving Mayweather hell in the ring and putting him to sleep with 1 punch. When they did fight, Marquez was barely able to land 1 punch on the super slick Mayweather.

Well if you wanna compare oponents, Cotto gave Mayweather problems and Pacquiao just slaughtered him. Plus he delivered much more beating to Mosley. Pacquiao leading the poll, but who knows how today fight will go. Ugas is real deal.

[Enlightened-One]

Put it this way, Manny Pacquiao has probably imposed more catchweight stipulations for his fights than Canelo and Mayweather combined.

Which title fights?

Didn’t you previously criticise me for repeating myself?

And now you’ve just asked to to repeat myself in the same thread?

I don’t get it? I really can’t win, can I?

Out of all the people that frequents this forum, I wouldn’t have considered you a troll?

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Youre so long winded people dont read your posts. Keep it simple and short.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Put it this way, Manny Pacquiao has probably imposed more catchweight stipulations for his fights than Canelo and Mayweather combined.

Which title fights?

Didn’t you previously criticise me for repeating myself?

And now you’ve just asked to to repeat myself in the same thread?

I don’t get it? I really can’t win, can I?

Out of all the people that frequents this forum, I wouldn’t have considered you a troll?

I’m not a troll. I just haven’t read every post in the thread.

What are you trying to win? It was a genuine question..

Don’t answer if you don’t want to.

[Onetimeonly]

Youre so long winded people dont read your posts. Keep it simple and short.

The rare person that might can't be expected to recall every word of the textbook. Eo doesn't even remember half his posts.

[SenorPipino]

Mayweather.
He went unbeaten in 50 fights. Pacquiao has lost 7 heading into tonight.
And, oh yes: in a head to head matchup Mayweather handcuffed and outboxed Pacquiao over 12 rounds.
Is it really a serious debate?
I can't imagine Marquez ever giving Mayweather hell in the ring and putting him to sleep with 1 punch. When they did fight, Marquez was barely able to land 1 punch on the super slick Mayweather.

Well if you wanna compare oponents, Cotto gave Mayweather problems and Pacquiao just slaughtered him. Plus he delivered much more beating to Mosley. Pacquiao leading the poll, but who knows how today fight will go. Ugas is real deal.

Folks vote for Pacquiao because he's more cuddly than Mayweather. Not because they really think that he's better.
Mayweather's superiority was proven in 2015. Hard to understand why folks would debate it.