Fury to pull out, Whyte ready to step in but Wilder will duck Whyte again

[555678]

Ducks whyte by fighting fury the vastly superior fighter twice. Sure

He didn't look vastly superior first time around. Coming off the couch after his well documented problems Fury looked exactly what Finkel and Haymon were looking for, namely someone with a name to look good on Deontay's record yet every inch another lamb to the slaughter.

After having been given a boxing lesson by a 75% Fury, it should have been obvious that the rematch against 100% Fury was likely to end badly. In retrospect team Wilder should have put the same energy into ducking the rematch as they had in giving Whyte the runaround. I can only guess that Wilder felt he could repeat the feat of dropping Fury on his back and that the referee would be more inclined than Reiss to dispense with the count. If Reiss had done what most refs would have done in the same circumstances, Deontay would have succeeded in quietening his critics for a couple of years, having added a former world champion to his win column, and he could resume doing what he does best - knocking out people that have no business fighting for a version of the world title.

Let's not fool ourselves that Wilder fought an elite contender because that's just what he does.

wilder never generated the big money. they ducked AJ so they had to do a decent money fight with Fury. I believe they rigged a fake draw the first time - because Fury needed the money after the long layoff and small comeback fights - so he sold a fake draw for the payday. the KDs were part of the script. wilder again ducked AJ so they again needed a money fight so they took the risk with Fury but haymon could not fix Fury the second time because Fury is backed by Arum and espn now. So wilder got thrashed badly. the third fight will be the same if Fury's head is okay. But notice the lack of promo for wilder vs Fury 3? they canceled it once because it was selling badly. no one cares to see it again. they may cancel it again. Don't expect wilder to fight Whyte ever. Too much risk for too little reward.

[oogiebe]

Ducks whyte by fighting fury the vastly superior fighter twice. Sure

He didn't look vastly superior first time around. Coming off the couch after his well documented problems Fury looked exactly what Finkel and Haymon were looking for, namely someone with a name to look good on Deontay's record yet every inch another lamb to the slaughter.

After having been given a boxing lesson by a 75% Fury, it should have been obvious that the rematch against 100% Fury was likely to end badly. In retrospect team Wilder should have put the same energy into ducking the rematch as they had in giving Whyte the runaround. I can only guess that Wilder felt he could repeat the feat of dropping Fury on his back and that the referee would be more inclined than Reiss to dispense with the count. If Reiss had done what most refs would have done in the same circumstances, Deontay would have succeeded in quietening his critics for a couple of years, having added a former world champion to his win column, and he could resume doing what he does best - knocking out people that have no business fighting for a version of the world title.

Let's not fool ourselves that Wilder fought an elite contender because that's just what he does.

wilder never generated the big money. they ducked AJ so they had to do a decent money fight with Fury. I believe they rigged a fake draw the first time - because Fury needed the money after the long layoff and small comeback fights - so he sold a fake draw for the payday. the KDs were part of the script. wilder again ducked AJ so they again needed a money fight so they took the risk with Fury but haymon could not fix Fury the second time because Fury is backed by Arum and espn now. So wilder got thrashed badly. the third fight will be the same if Fury's head is okay. But notice the lack of promo for wilder vs Fury 3? they canceled it once because it was selling badly. no one cares to see it again. they may cancel it again. Don't expect wilder to fight Whyte ever. Too much risk for too little reward.

Wilder would blather him. White is perfect for DW.

[555678]

If Fury cancels Oct 9, the wbc needs to strip him of the belt and force wilder vs whyte for the vacant. Then we know whyte will face AJ and the WBC wants their percentage of that unification.

If wilder opts to be a coward again and duck whyte, whyte can beat the next guy probably haymon will rig ortiz in there to try to stop whyte.

[555678]

He didn't look vastly superior first time around. Coming off the couch after his well documented problems Fury looked exactly what Finkel and Haymon were looking for, namely someone with a name to look good on Deontay's record yet every inch another lamb to the slaughter.

After having been given a boxing lesson by a 75% Fury, it should have been obvious that the rematch against 100% Fury was likely to end badly. In retrospect team Wilder should have put the same energy into ducking the rematch as they had in giving Whyte the runaround. I can only guess that Wilder felt he could repeat the feat of dropping Fury on his back and that the referee would be more inclined than Reiss to dispense with the count. If Reiss had done what most refs would have done in the same circumstances, Deontay would have succeeded in quietening his critics for a couple of years, having added a former world champion to his win column, and he could resume doing what he does best - knocking out people that have no business fighting for a version of the world title.

Let's not fool ourselves that Wilder fought an elite contender because that's just what he does.

wilder never generated the big money. they ducked AJ so they had to do a decent money fight with Fury. I believe they rigged a fake draw the first time - because Fury needed the money after the long layoff and small comeback fights - so he sold a fake draw for the payday. the KDs were part of the script. wilder again ducked AJ so they again needed a money fight so they took the risk with Fury but haymon could not fix Fury the second time because Fury is backed by Arum and espn now. So wilder got thrashed badly. the third fight will be the same if Fury's head is okay. But notice the lack of promo for wilder vs Fury 3? they canceled it once because it was selling badly. no one cares to see it again. they may cancel it again. Don't expect wilder to fight Whyte ever. Too much risk for too little reward.

Wilder would blather him. White is perfect for DW.

unfortunately wilder and haymon don't have one tenth of your confidence, otherwise the fight would have happened years ago.

your confidence means nothing. wilder and haymon have obscenely ducked Whyte for a reason - they know wilder is a fraud zero pretender and he has zero chance against a real fighter like Whyte.

[oogiebe]

wilder never generated the big money. they ducked AJ so they had to do a decent money fight with Fury. I believe they rigged a fake draw the first time - because Fury needed the money after the long layoff and small comeback fights - so he sold a fake draw for the payday. the KDs were part of the script. wilder again ducked AJ so they again needed a money fight so they took the risk with Fury but haymon could not fix Fury the second time because Fury is backed by Arum and espn now. So wilder got thrashed badly. the third fight will be the same if Fury's head is okay. But notice the lack of promo for wilder vs Fury 3? they canceled it once because it was selling badly. no one cares to see it again. they may cancel it again. Don't expect wilder to fight Whyte ever. Too much risk for too little reward.

Wilder would blather him. White is perfect for DW.

unfortunately wilder and haymon don't have one tenth of your confidence, otherwise the fight would have happened years ago.

your confidence means nothing. wilder and haymon have obscenely ducked Whyte for a reason - they know wilder is a fraud zero pretender and he has zero chance against a real fighter like Whyte.

LMFAO! Nice to know you have the pulse of the industry.

[555678]

Wilder would blather him. White is perfect for DW.

unfortunately wilder and haymon don't have one tenth of your confidence, otherwise the fight would have happened years ago.

your confidence means nothing. wilder and haymon have obscenely ducked Whyte for a reason - they know wilder is a fraud zero pretender and he has zero chance against a real fighter like Whyte.

LMFAO! Nice to know you have the pulse of the industry.

Pulse on reality, not the fake propaganda. Remember... "the truth has to be learned, it's never told..."

wilder's trainer malik scott is now on boxing scene saying how whyte is dangerous but tailor made for wilder. It's very interesting team wilder is addressing the idea of fighting Whyte. It's like they know the wbc is setting it up because Fury is going to back out of Oct. 9. so team wilder knows whyte is coming and they have to try to beat him with words in web site articles - because wilder is never going to dare to face Whyte in the ring.

[oogiebe]

unfortunately wilder and haymon don't have one tenth of your confidence, otherwise the fight would have happened years ago.

your confidence means nothing. wilder and haymon have obscenely ducked Whyte for a reason - they know wilder is a fraud zero pretender and he has zero chance against a real fighter like Whyte.

LMFAO! Nice to know you have the pulse of the industry.

Pulse on reality, not the fake propaganda. Remember... "the truth has to be learned, it's never told..."

wilder's trainer malik scott is not on boxing scene saying how whyte is dangerous but tailor made for wilder. It's very interesting team wilder is addressing the idea of fighting Whyte. It's like they know the wbc is setting it up because Fury is going to back out of Oct. 9. so team wilder knows whyte is coming and they have to try to beat him with words in web site articles - because wilder is never going to dare to face Whyte in the ring.

You should read less and watch more fights.

[Finkel]

I would welcome it. Who knows what is going on with Fury.

Wilder gets to fight for the title again, and Whyte finally get's a long overdue title shot. Surely, that's a win-win. Then add to that, we as fans get to see a new match-up between two of the top 10. What's not to like?

[candyslim]

Why in the world would Wilder bother to fight Whyte if it's not a title fight? Wilder had a contract for a world championship match in October. So he's going to waste his time with Whyte?

He won't fight him and probably wouldn't even if the WBC were to strip Fury of his title and match their interim champion with their former champion. Why would he fight Whyte if the title weren't on the line? Maybe to prove to thousands of doubters that he's not scared shitless by Dillian Whyte. No you're right. Stupid of me to think he might start caring about that.

Well, yes. He's thinking in terms of multi million dollar business decisions, not what all the other kids in the playground think of him. It would be childish and absurd to take on a fight just to prove to morons he isn't scared.

If 'he' were thinking in terms of multi million dollar business decisions, he would have taken the Joshua fights for US$ 120m instead of Fury for a fraction of that. I put 'he' in inverted commas because he doesn't make the decisions, he does what he's told.

Haymon and Finkel realized they had a potentially valuable piece of merchandise in Wilder, but knew he was deeply flawed and would require careful matching. This required playing the long game, maybe taking three fights that he would win in order to earn the same revenue as one fight he wouldn't. Certain fighters would need to be avoided at least until the endgame when they (H+F) were ready to cash out, or Wilder's value had reduced due to age or injury such that the risk became acceptable.

All the while they were conscious of fans accusing him of being protected and fighting bums so plans were made to counter that: The first was Povetkin. Anybody thinks Wilder was going to be allowed to travel to Moscow to be sacrificed is living in cloud-cuckoo-land. One week before the fight Wilder is still in England when it gets called off. Who is going to believe a Russian failing a drug test isn't kosher? Wilder sues for loss of earnings, gets paid without having to fight and gets credit for going to Russia (he didn't set foot there) to take on the best. Only it didn't work out as planned. Povetkin sued in the USA claiming he'd been stitched up ... and he won!

Time goes by. Couple of weak opponents blown away, criticism starting to creep back. Need a big opponent that Wilder will beat, who's out there? Luis Ortiz rhe self-proclaimed bogeyman of the division. Luis Ortiz are you nuts? Think about it. The guy went to school with Fidel Castro. Yes it's risky but he's on heart medication and he's ancient. Deontay should outlast him down the stretch and think of the kudos - at least a couple of years fighting patsies, no questions asked.

Time goes by. Couple of weak opponents blown away, criticism starting to creep back Need a big opponent that Wilder will beat, who's out there? Tyson Fury? Oh good shout! A former world champion, conqueror of the mighty Klitschko, and in no shape to pose much of a threat. Perfect. Is it risky? Probably a lot less risky than Ortiz ...

The rest of course is history. Irrespective of what Wilder wants or doesn't want, there are certain fighters he won't be allowed to face while still a viable commodity. Number one is of course Joshua. Dillian Whyte is also clearly on that list. Haymon and Finkel obviously regard him as a greater risk than I do, mind you that assumes Wilder is the same fighter he was when he was unbeaten and that is the big ?

[555678]

You understand the deal.

Just want to add that both stiverne and ortiz fights were rigged for wilder. Both were hired patsies to take the beatings. Stiverne was a dead draw (38 year old Haitians are dead draws) and King made a deal to sell the belt to wilder haymon. Stiverne actually could have beaten wilder easily but of course he wasn't allowed to. wilder's first defense was against a king fighter Molina (part of the reward for king selling stiverne's title to wilder) and at the press conference king even said stiverne transferred the title to wilder lol. LOL. Think about that - King essentially said stiverne vs wilder 1 was a business transaction ot a fight. of ourse another part of the deal was for stiverne to get a asecond shot at wilder. wbc rigged him back to the no. 1 position without him doing anything to earn it and he took the second rigged beating from wilder.

Ortiz was the same thing for wilder haymon, a hired patsy to make the big alabama fraud look good. Yes Povetkin was never going to happen, haymon probably rigged the fake positive test with sulaiman to cancel it.

[cormack]

I trust you will serve yourself a huge slice of humple pie when the fight goes ahead as intended ?

Tyson Fury team is laying the foundation to cancel the October date with Wilder due to his baby daughter's health issues. Whyte of course will offer to step in and replace Fury and fight Wilder. Wilder of course is terrified of Whyte, though he pretends to act like he's superior, will be faced with a dilemma - take the payday and risk vs Whyte or once again duck and dodge Whyte yet again.

Astute ring observers know Whyte terrifies wilder and wilder knows Whyte would eat him alive. Whyte saw wilder get knocked out cold in sparring by Wladimir. Whyte knows wilder is nothing but a protected fraud.

The WBC will have to step up and force wilder to fight whyte if Fury pulls out. But it's highly probably the wbc and sulaiman are deep in haymon's pocket. the wbc has blocked whyte out of his mandatory shot vs wilder for years.

It will be very interesting to see how the wbc and wilder react when Fury pulls out, as John Fury alluded this week.

[margaret thatcher]

makes me think - what is the flavour of humble pie, might it actuually be surprisngly delicious despite its reputation

[cormack]

makes me think - what is the flavour of humble pie

Well a rather thick mix of cringeing embarressment and a hint of bullshit thrown in for good measure .

or is that the OP I decribed ..

[555678]

It does not make sense for haymon and shirley winkle to risk wilder losing by KO again to Fury for a fraction of what they could make if they sacrifice wilder to AJ. there is no guarantee fury vs wilder 3 will sell and that they will make a good profit. who would invest and risk giving fury and wilder guaranteed paydays? Nobody.

so this fury vs wilder 3 set up makes little sense. and it probably will be a big flop. this would prove fury and wilder can't sell at all and their only way to make big money is to fight AJ. All roads lead to AJ.

could they fix fury to do another fake draw? maybe but why bother? fury vs wilder is a dead rivalry, nobody cares outside a few ding dongs. don't be surprised if they cancel oct 9 and try to force wilder to fight Whyte.

All roads lead to AJ.

[candyslim]

I've no idea whether this fight is under threat or not but BoxRec have dropped both guys from the rankings which strikes me as potentially significant. They have both been extremely inactive but it seems odd to drop fighters for inactivity when they are signed to fight each other in a couple of months.

I mean the timing seems curious to me ... unless BoxRec are applying a strict eighteen month policy. Thinking about it that's probably the answer.

[margaret thatcher]

it just hit 18 months, im guessing that's all there is to it

[candyslim]

Yes it just occurred to me. 18 months today. No intrigue going on here.

[H8Usernames]

The WBC can't strip Tyson Fury. TF is the lineal champion and obvious topdog at HW, belts and decisions by the father and son organizations aren't going to change that.

[Bandog]

The WBC can't strip Tyson Fury. TF is the lineal champion and obvious topdog at HW, belts and decisions by the father and son organizations aren't going to change that.

I'm pretty sure they can, but won't, unless he pulls out again. Funny thing is, he has yet to defend any belt he has ever had.

[Ruthless-RKO]

The WBC can't strip Tyson Fury. TF is the lineal champion and obvious topdog at HW, belts and decisions by the father and son organizations aren't going to change that.

I'm pretty sure they can, but won't, unless he pulls out again. Funny thing is, he has yet to defend any belt he has ever had.

Not true..

he has defended the Lineal championship a few times..

[H8Usernames]

The WBC can't strip Tyson Fury. TF is the lineal champion and obvious topdog at HW, belts and decisions by the father and son organizations aren't going to change that.

I'm pretty sure they can, but won't, unless he pulls out again. Funny thing is, he has yet to defend any belt he has ever had.

Maybe try on another pair of glasses.

[Bandog]

The WBC can't strip Tyson Fury. TF is the lineal champion and obvious topdog at HW, belts and decisions by the father and son organizations aren't going to change that.

I'm pretty sure they can, but won't, unless he pulls out again. Funny thing is, he has yet to defend any belt he has ever had.

Not true..

he has defended the Lineal championship a few times..

You don't retain the mythical Lineal championship forever. Fury has not defended any heavyweight belt yet. Correct me if I am wrong, aside from your fantasies.

[Ruthless-RKO]

I'm pretty sure they can, but won't, unless he pulls out again. Funny thing is, he has yet to defend any belt he has ever had.

Not true..

he has defended the Lineal championship a few times..

You don't retain the mythical Lineal championship forever. Fury has not defended any heavyweight belt yet. Correct me if I am wrong, aside from your fantasies.

I’m just messing with you man.

It’s a fact! He has never defended a world title.

[Wales]

As it stands U.K. fans (and other fans) can’t travel, Ticket sales are poor. A lot of U.K. fans have bought tickets but can’t use them and are due a refund of US don’t open their borders. The casino put money up expecting thousands but will only get hundreds.

All in all it’s a fornicate on for the fans and the numbers don’t add up.

[Bandog]

Not true..

he has defended the Lineal championship a few times..

You don't retain the mythical Lineal championship forever. Fury has not defended any heavyweight belt yet. Correct me if I am wrong, aside from your fantasies.

I’m just messing with you man.

It’s a fact! He has never defended a world title.