Pacman Appreciation thread

[Miman]

one of the greats. Always challenge himself even at father time. One of the most exciting and explosive fighter we have seen 8 division world champ. has an old school mentality. he has brought excitement to the sport for 2 decades. But its time to hang up. No point of fighting anymore. afather time is calling.

Hats off to senator manny for an incredible career. we wont see anyone like him for some time...

[lazboy]

Incredible fighter, much respect. One of the greatest I have ever seen.

[margaret thatcher]

obviously manny is an all time great, and high among them too

should become a full time corrupt politician now

[Cent0089]

I have him at number 3 in ATG list behind Ali and Duran. Total monster when he was at his prime.

[DrDuke]

I have him at number 3 in ATG list behind Ali and Duran. Total monster when he was at his prime.

Not a chance of him surpassing the likes of Leonard, Whitaker, Mayweather.

[Cent0089]

I have him at number 3 in ATG list behind Ali and Duran. Total monster when he was at his prime.

Not a chance of him surpassing the likes of Leonard, Whitaker, Mayweather.

It is my opinion, feel free to disagree

[margaret thatcher]

I have him at number 3 in ATG list behind Ali and Duran. Total monster when he was at his prime.

Not a chance of him surpassing the likes of Leonard, Whitaker, Mayweather.

in terms of wins, he is defo ahead of pea, though pea wouldve out boxed him in the ring

[DrDuke]

I have him at number 3 in ATG list behind Ali and Duran. Total monster when he was at his prime.

Not a chance of him surpassing the likes of Leonard, Whitaker, Mayweather.

in terms of wins, he is defo ahead of pea, though pea wouldve out boxed him in the ring

On paper yes, but Pea-Chavez is pretty much recognized by the boxing community as a robbery, while Pea-Oscar is highly disputed (I scored it for Pea more often than not).

[bobcatbox]

There is so much to say about Manny, but I want to focus on a few things. First, I think it is true that he is the greatest Filipino fighter of a all time. He is a national treasure in his native land. A leader of his people. Potentially a future president. He has used boxing to transcend the sport for the betterment of many others.

Second I want to say that Manny is a special fighter for those of us became fans in the 21st century. It is impossible to think of any fighter who had a better run than Manny from 2006-12. He was sensational to watch and never disappointed the fans. For those of us who were falling in love with boxing, we couldn’t help but fall in love with watching the PacMan.

Finally I want to say that in addition to his blinding speed, surprising strength, and immaculate skills, he had the heart of a champion. And I hope that isn’t lost when the story of Manny is written.

[squiggy]

He has been through every kind of loss, from getting badly knocked out to getting outfought to getting straight up jobbed by judges, and he has always rolled with them. Never whines and cries and makes excuses. Has always been willing to get back in the ring and press forward again.

[squiggy]

OK I can picture someone saying that Pacquiao does make excuses sometimes, but you know what I mean. It is not nearly on par with some of the sport's awful drama queens.

[ironbeard]

Manny was the 2nd greatest net positive on boxing in my lifetime, behind only Ali, IMO. He won’t likely be surpassed in that regard.

[apollo creed]

Already an ATG. A true warrior/natural born warrior, a true human being, a true hero and a very very strong man.

[Thomastearns]

Manny was the 2nd greatest net positive on boxing in my lifetime, behind only Ali, IMO. He won’t likely be surpassed in that regard.

Certainly on a global scale. I'd put Ali first, Tyson second and Pacquiao third.

The only current boxer I can think of who might one day join these 3 legendary warriors is Anthony Joshua.

[ironbeard]

Manny was the 2nd greatest net positive on boxing in my lifetime, behind only Ali, IMO. He won’t likely be surpassed in that regard.

Certainly on a global scale. I'd put Ali first, Tyson second and Pacquiao third.

The only current boxer I can think of who might one day join these 3 legendary warriors is Anthony Joshua.

Agree to disagree on Tyson and Manny.

What is really unique about Manny is his global impact sprouting from flyweight. No other fighter lower than HW has ever had that kind of global reach.

[Enlightened-One]

I have noted that the Filipino legend regularly imposed catch-weights or forced his opponents to compete against him in a completely different weight class than they were normally accustomed to.

For instance: Chris Alieri, Miguel Cotto, Antonio Margarito, Juan Manuel Marquez, Oscar De La Hoya, Eric Morales, Shane Mosley, Timothy Bradley and Brandon Rios. There could be even more big-names that agreed top weight stipulations against Manny, but that would require more research.

There are other fighters that Pacquiao faced that might have only engaged in one or two welterweight contests prior to their respective fights against the Filipino legend (i.e. Lucas Matthysse and Jessie Vargas), which means they either weren’t established 147lb-ers or were competing outside their natural habitat.

Therefore, I personally only regard Manny Pacquiao as a legitimate five weight world champion, which is still a remarkable feat.

[ironbeard]

What an incorrigible nincompoop.

[Enlightened-One]

What an incorrigible nincompoop.

What do all these guys have in common?

Chris Alieri, Miguel Cotto, Antonio Margarito, Juan Manuel Marquez, Oscar De La Hoya, Eric Morales, Shane Mosley, Timothy Bradley and Brandon Rios.

There's nothing wrong about appreciating Pacquiao, but let's not ignore some of his dodgy demands.

[oogiebe]

What an incorrigible nincompoop.

What do all these guys have in common?

Chris Alieri, Miguel Cotto, Antonio Margarito, Juan Manuel Marquez, Oscar De La Hoya, Eric Morales, Shane Mosley, Timothy Bradley and Brandon Rios.

There's nothing wrong about appreciating Pacquiao, but let's not ignore some of his dodgy demands.

He fought Oscar at a weight that Oscar demanded, not him. So cross that one off. Also, he was still the small guy in each of those. You're lovin' the catchweight king moniker for Manny.

[ironbeard]

What an incorrigible nincompoop.

What do all these guys have in common?

Chris Alieri, Miguel Cotto, Antonio Margarito, Juan Manuel Marquez, Oscar De La Hoya, Eric Morales, Shane Mosley, Timothy Bradley and Brandon Rios.

There's nothing wrong about appreciating Pacquiao, but let's not ignore some of his dodgy demands.

Read the thread title. Take your talk about Manny elsewhere.

Oh, wait, you have smeared it like a dog with worms everywhere.

[Enlightened-One]

What an incorrigible nincompoop.

What do all these guys have in common?

Chris Alieri, Miguel Cotto, Antonio Margarito, Juan Manuel Marquez, Oscar De La Hoya, Eric Morales, Shane Mosley, Timothy Bradley and Brandon Rios.

There's nothing wrong about appreciating Pacquiao, but let's not ignore some of his dodgy demands.

He fought Oscar at a weight that Oscar demanded, not him. So cross that one off. Also, he was still the small guy in each of those. You're lovin' the catchweight king moniker for Manny.

In the context of historical accuracy, rather than your fictional account, the De La Hoya-Pacquiao bout was in limbo and looked like it wouldn't go ahead, until the weight stipulations had been agreed.

The Golden Boy subsequently conceded that he already felt that his body had nothing left and he was going to take a beating once he stepped in the ring, which resulted in having to make weight.

The Miguel Cotto negotiations nearly collapsed for the same reasons. And Eric Morales said that he felt like De La Hoya, when he lasted less than ten minutes against Pacquiao (due to the weight stipulations).

Even if you were confident about defending Pacquiao's weight stipulations against one or two of the names I've listed, you'll find it categorically impossible to address all of them.

For instance: Chris Alieri, Miguel Cotto, Antonio Margarito, Juan Manuel Marquez, Oscar De La Hoya, Eric Morales, Shane Mosley, Timothy Bradley and Brandon Rios.

And I don't think there's any fighter in the history of the sport of boxing that demanded anywhere near as many weight stipulations as the Filipino did.

If I'm wrong, name them. And if you can't, then stop trying to defend the indefensible.

[oogiebe]

What do all these guys have in common?

Chris Alieri, Miguel Cotto, Antonio Margarito, Juan Manuel Marquez, Oscar De La Hoya, Eric Morales, Shane Mosley, Timothy Bradley and Brandon Rios.

There's nothing wrong about appreciating Pacquiao, but let's not ignore some of his dodgy demands.

He fought Oscar at a weight that Oscar demanded, not him. So cross that one off. Also, he was still the small guy in each of those. You're lovin' the catchweight king moniker for Manny.

In the context of historical accuracy, rather than your fictional account, the De La Hoya-Pacquiao bout was in limbo and looked like it wouldn't go ahead, until the weight stipulations had been agreed.

The Golden Boy subsequently conceded that he already felt that his body had nothing left and he was going to take a beating once he stepped in the ring, which resulted in having to make weight.

The Miguel Cotto negotiations nearly collapsed for the same reasons. And Eric Morales said that he felt like De La Hoya, when he lasted less than ten minutes against Pacquiao (due to the weight stipulations).

Even if you were confident about defending Pacquiao's weight stipulations against one or two of the names I've listed, you'll find it categorically impossible to address all of them.

For instance: Chris Alieri, Miguel Cotto, Antonio Margarito, Juan Manuel Marquez, Oscar De La Hoya, Eric Morales, Shane Mosley, Timothy Bradley and Brandon Rios.

And I don't think there's any fighter in the history of the sport of boxing that demanded anywhere near as many weight stipulations as the Filipino did.

If I'm wrong, name them. And if you can't, then stop trying to defend the indefensible.

I don't know why you stuck on this. Pac went up two weight classes to fight golden boy who came down one. All those guys came in much bigger by fight time than Manny. You've made these statements about Pac all over the forum. Why not just leave an 'appreciation' thread just that. Show some class.

[Enlightened-One]

He fought Oscar at a weight that Oscar demanded, not him. So cross that one off. Also, he was still the small guy in each of those. You're lovin' the catchweight king moniker for Manny.

In the context of historical accuracy, rather than your fictional account, the De La Hoya-Pacquiao bout was in limbo and looked like it wouldn't go ahead, until the weight stipulations had been agreed.

The Golden Boy subsequently conceded that he already felt that his body had nothing left and he was going to take a beating once he stepped in the ring, which resulted in having to make weight.

The Miguel Cotto negotiations nearly collapsed for the same reasons. And Eric Morales said that he felt like De La Hoya, when he lasted less than ten minutes against Pacquiao (due to the weight stipulations).

Even if you were confident about defending Pacquiao's weight stipulations against one or two of the names I've listed, you'll find it categorically impossible to address all of them.

For instance: Chris Alieri, Miguel Cotto, Antonio Margarito, Juan Manuel Marquez, Oscar De La Hoya, Eric Morales, Shane Mosley, Timothy Bradley and Brandon Rios.

And I don't think there's any fighter in the history of the sport of boxing that demanded anywhere near as many weight stipulations as the Filipino did.

If I'm wrong, name them. And if you can't, then stop trying to defend the indefensible.

I don't know why you stuck on this. Pac went up two weight classes to fight golden boy who came down one. All those guys came in much bigger by fight time than Manny. You've made these statements about Pac all over the forum. Why not just leave an 'appreciation' thread just that. Show some class.

I appreciate Manny as a fighter, but people are overstating his feats.

At least ten of his fights included contractual weight stipulations. Other bouts where he's fought guys outside of their natural habitat.

Pacquiao is an all-time-great, but the weight stipulations, coupled with his regular refusal to undergo proper random unannounced blood based drug testing, seem to be elephants in the room, which are being ignored by everyone.

Like them or loathe them, these issues are a permanent part of his legacy and will always be associated with his name.

[oogiebe]

In the context of historical accuracy, rather than your fictional account, the De La Hoya-Pacquiao bout was in limbo and looked like it wouldn't go ahead, until the weight stipulations had been agreed.

The Golden Boy subsequently conceded that he already felt that his body had nothing left and he was going to take a beating once he stepped in the ring, which resulted in having to make weight.

The Miguel Cotto negotiations nearly collapsed for the same reasons. And Eric Morales said that he felt like De La Hoya, when he lasted less than ten minutes against Pacquiao (due to the weight stipulations).

Even if you were confident about defending Pacquiao's weight stipulations against one or two of the names I've listed, you'll find it categorically impossible to address all of them.

For instance: Chris Alieri, Miguel Cotto, Antonio Margarito, Juan Manuel Marquez, Oscar De La Hoya, Eric Morales, Shane Mosley, Timothy Bradley and Brandon Rios.

And I don't think there's any fighter in the history of the sport of boxing that demanded anywhere near as many weight stipulations as the Filipino did.

If I'm wrong, name them. And if you can't, then stop trying to defend the indefensible.

I don't know why you stuck on this. Pac went up two weight classes to fight golden boy who came down one. All those guys came in much bigger by fight time than Manny. You've made these statements about Pac all over the forum. Why not just leave an 'appreciation' thread just that. Show some class.

I appreciate Manny as a fighter, but people are overstating his feats.

At least ten of his fights included contractual weight stipulations. Other bouts where he's fought guys outside of their natural habitat.

Pacquiao is an all-time-great, but the weight stipulations, coupled with his regular refusal to undergo proper random unannounced blood based durg testin, seem to be elephants in the room, which are being ignored by everyone.

Like them or loathe them, these issues are a permanent part of his legacy and will always be associated with his name.

I'll leave it right there.

[Enlightened-One]

I don't know why you stuck on this. Pac went up two weight classes to fight golden boy who came down one. All those guys came in much bigger by fight time than Manny. You've made these statements about Pac all over the forum. Why not just leave an 'appreciation' thread just that. Show some class.

I appreciate Manny as a fighter, but people are overstating his feats.

At least ten of his fights included contractual weight stipulations. Other bouts where he's fought guys outside of their natural habitat.

Pacquiao is an all-time-great, but the weight stipulations, coupled with his regular refusal to undergo proper random unannounced blood based durg testin, seem to be elephants in the room, which are being ignored by everyone.

Like them or loathe them, these issues are a permanent part of his legacy and will always be associated with his name.

I'll leave it right there.

OK, no worries.

Chris Alieri, Miguel Cotto, Antonio Margarito, Juan Manuel Marquez, Oscar De La Hoya, Eric Morales (twice), Shane Mosley, Timothy Bradley and Brandon Rios.