1990's George Foreman versus Ike Ibeabucci

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12 rounds

[HomicideHenry]

As much as I love George Foreman I think he would have been out worked and would have had the kind of facial deformities he had after the Alex Stewart fight. Although I will say the early comeback George Foreman had better defense than the late come back George Foreman.

[DrDuke]

In the 90s, despite capturing dodgy decisions or pulling out a KO win in some of the following fights, Foreman was outboxed by Holyfield, Morrison, Moorer, Schulz and less convincingly by Stewart and Savarese. Big George was exceptionally good for an old man, but he always troubled against the top notch opposition and sometimes even against the fringe one. Ibeabuchi clearly was a top guy, as he destroyed Byrd and outboxed Tua without being iced. Ike had the skills to outbox Foreman and he had enough of chin on a case of being caught. Of course, there still would be a chance of Foreman knocking Ike out with his best punch, but Ibeabuchi definitely wouldn't be standing and waiting for it.

Ike would score a dec win behind jabs and combinations.

[gilgamesh]

I won't give Ike a hypothetical win over Foreman because he doesn't deserve that kinda recognition. Foreman beats him.

[DrDuke]

I won't give Ike a hypothetical win over Foreman because he doesn't deserve that kinda recognition. Foreman beats him.

Stewart, Schulz and Savarese hardly deserved that kinda recognition too.

[gilgamesh]

I won't give Ike a hypothetical win over Foreman because he doesn't deserve that kinda recognition. Foreman beats him.

Stewart, Schulz and Savarese hardly deserved that kinda recognition too.

They're not rapists.

[margaret thatcher]

vile person for sure, like a lot of boxers

[DrDuke]

I won't give Ike a hypothetical win over Foreman because he doesn't deserve that kinda recognition. Foreman beats him.

Stewart, Schulz and Savarese hardly deserved that kinda recognition too.

They're not rapists.

So, you suggest, that because of being a rapist Ibeabuchi couldn't beat Foreman by any means?

[gilgamesh]

Stewart, Schulz and Savarese hardly deserved that kinda recognition too.

They're not rapists.

So, you suggest, that because of being a rapist Ibeabuchi couldn't beat Foreman by any means?

I didn't say he couldn't beat him. I'm saying he doesn't deserve hypothetical wins he didn't achieve by pissing his career away. Neither does Edwin Valero. Neither does Tony Ayala.

They had their chance to show us what they could be. They showed us. And a great fighter isn't what they showed.

[DrDuke]

They're not rapists.

So, you suggest, that because of being a rapist Ibeabuchi couldn't beat Foreman by any means?

I didn't say he couldn't beat him. I'm saying he doesn't deserve hypothetical wins he didn't achieve by pissing his career away. Neither does Edwin Valero. Neither does Tony Ayala.

They had their chance to show us what they could be. They showed us. And a great fighter isn't what they showed.

In the 90s Foreman struggled against a number of non-great fighters and even officially lost to a couple of them.

[margaret thatcher]

had basically the same convo with gil when he picked 155 pound bobby fitzimmons over ike , gil not an II fan to say the least

[gilgamesh]

So, you suggest, that because of being a rapist Ibeabuchi couldn't beat Foreman by any means?

I didn't say he couldn't beat him. I'm saying he doesn't deserve hypothetical wins he didn't achieve by pissing his career away. Neither does Edwin Valero. Neither does Tony Ayala.

They had their chance to show us what they could be. They showed us. And a great fighter isn't what they showed.

In the 90s Foreman struggled against a number of non-great fighters and even officially lost to a couple of them.

And he threw his career away due to torturing and raping zero girls. He wins in life.

[gilgamesh]

had basically the same convo with gil when he picked 155 pound bobby fitzimmons over ike , gil not an II fan to say the least

I just don't think he deserves any respect or notoriety. He doesn't deserve to be measured against greats, and claimed he can beat them.

[DrDuke]

I didn't say he couldn't beat him. I'm saying he doesn't deserve hypothetical wins he didn't achieve by pissing his career away. Neither does Edwin Valero. Neither does Tony Ayala.

They had their chance to show us what they could be. They showed us. And a great fighter isn't what they showed.

In the 90s Foreman struggled against a number of non-great fighters and even officially lost to a couple of them.

And he threw his career away due to torturing and raping zero girls. He wins in life.

Your bias is laughable. Is it so hard to admit, that a bad motherf*cker can beat a good guy in the ring, if he is better as a boxer?

[gilgamesh]

In the 90s Foreman struggled against a number of non-great fighters and even officially lost to a couple of them.

And he threw his career away due to torturing and raping zero girls. He wins in life.

Your bias is laughable. Is it so hard to admit, that a bad motherf*cker can beat a good guy in the ring, if he is better as a boxer?

I'm not biased at all. I acknowledge that Ibeabuchi had talent. I also acknowledge he threw it away because he's a f*cking idiot. He had his chance to be special, he threw it away. That's what he did.

Maybe he could beat a George Foreman. We'll never know though will we? Because he's a piece of sh*t.

I didn't think he deserved the nod over David Tua though I'll say that much.

[DrDuke]

And he threw his career away due to torturing and raping zero girls. He wins in life.

Your bias is laughable. Is it so hard to admit, that a bad motherf*cker can beat a good guy in the ring, if he is better as a boxer?

I'm not biased at all. I acknowledge that Ibeabuchi had talent. I also acknowledge he threw it away because he's a f*cking idiot. He had his chance to be special, he threw it away. That's what he did.

Maybe he could beat a George Foreman. We'll never know though will we? Because he's a piece of sh*t.

I didn't think he deserved the nod over David Tua though I'll say that much.

You mixed the stuff outside of the ring with boxing. Ibeabuchi was a thug, no doubt about it. But he clearly could beat old Foreman. Of course, it's impossible to tell for sure, that's obvious. Yet it's irrational to bring his felonies as arguments for his possible loss.

Btw, I once had Tua winning Ike, but after rewatching it recently I picked Ibeabuchi. Tua landed the biggest shots, but majorly he was being outboxed. A typical Tua vs a good boxer match. Just that time the good boxer appeared to be iron-chinned.

[gilgamesh]

Your bias is laughable. Is it so hard to admit, that a bad motherf*cker can beat a good guy in the ring, if he is better as a boxer?

I'm not biased at all. I acknowledge that Ibeabuchi had talent. I also acknowledge he threw it away because he's a f*cking idiot. He had his chance to be special, he threw it away. That's what he did.

Maybe he could beat a George Foreman. We'll never know though will we? Because he's a piece of sh*t.

I didn't think he deserved the nod over David Tua though I'll say that much.

You mixed the stuff outside of the ring with boxing. Ibeabuchi was a thug, no doubt about it. But he clearly could beat old Foreman. Of course, it's impossible to tell for sure, that's obvious. Yet it's irrational to bring his felonies as arguments for his possible loss.

Btw, I once had Tua winning Ike, but after rewatching it recently I picked Ibeabuchi. Tua landed the biggest shots, but majorly he was being outboxed. A typical Tua vs a good boxer match. Just that time the good boxer appeared to be iron-chinned.

I didn't say he'd lose exactly. I'm just not gonna give him credit for maybe's because he doesn't deserve 'em.